BF2S Forums Conservatives are more generous

jonsimon wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

odd how private donations without incentive can so easily trump government's tax based "forced charity", yet another failure of socialism

Maybe in numbers, but never in efficacy.

Stingray24 wrote:

So you did the research, did you?  How nice of you to clarify the author's research.

No, I read the article, and his study never says conservatives are more generous than liberals. It says conservatives that practice religion and have nuclear families are more likely to be more generous than those that do not. Big whoop.

oh so now government agencies are more efficient than private sector? that's one of the most ridiculous ideas ever, again, not supported by history.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

odd how private donations without incentive can so easily trump government's tax based "forced charity", yet another failure of socialism

Maybe in numbers, but never in efficacy.

Stingray24 wrote:

So you did the research, did you?  How nice of you to clarify the author's research.

No, I read the article, and his study never says conservatives are more generous than liberals. It says conservatives that practice religion and have nuclear families are more likely to be more generous than those that do not. Big whoop.

Yea. Big woop. Libs think it is every Else's duty to pay for it in little tax ways... Conservatives give more, not because they are forced to by a tax, but because they WANT to..  Bleeding heart Conservatives?  Wow.

Typical, just ignore what I said and keep using blanket statements.

.:XDR:.PureFodder wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

odd how private donations without incentive can so easily trump government's tax based "forced charity", yet another failure of socialism

If you're refering to the hurricane relief fund, it's probably worth remembering who was in charge of the government at the time and hence why the government contribution was that small.....

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Yea. Big woop. Libs think it is every Else's duty to pay for it in little tax ways... Conservatives give more, not because they are forced to by a tax, but because they WANT to..  Bleeding heart Conservatives?  Wow.

But the Liberals WANT to pay more in tax, hence they think it is their and everyone elses duty to be charitable.

if it's forced it's not charity now is it, there is nothing charitable about lib's taxed donations, just more socialism, from each according to their means, to each according to their needs. and again, blaming bush for not giving enough is nothing more than partisan whining, take a look at private donations and you'll see there was no need, not that government funds were low in the first place.

so 100% of the population voted for more taxes? you're not forcing anyone else to be "charitable"?

Unless these people are making these donations, and not taking a writeoff on their taxes, then it isn't really charity, and in fact still comes down to a tax funded subsidy.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

No, the author is not saying, "Conservatives are more generous."  That is my point.  The author is saying, "Conservatives who believe in certain things and live their life a certain way are more generous than liberals who believe certain things and live their life a certain way."  I tried to spell it out for you, but for some reason you cannot understand.

I don't really care to get in a conservative=good, democrat=bad flame war, mostly because I refuse to align myself with one of two platforms.

That is the inherent weakness of forums, the point doesn't always come across clearly.  So since you are neither conservative nor liberal you are . . . ?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

No, the author is not saying, "Conservatives are more generous."  That is my point.  The author is saying, "Conservatives who believe in certain things and live their life a certain way are more generous than liberals who believe certain things and live their life a certain way."  I tried to spell it out for you, but for some reason you cannot understand.

I don't really care to get in a conservative=good, democrat=bad flame war, mostly because I refuse to align myself with one of two platforms.

That is the inherent weakness of forums, the point doesn't always come across clearly.  So since you are neither conservative nor liberal you are . . . ?

A free-thinking person who forms conclusions based on my own logic, not a party platform.

Fair enough.  Conservative best describes the conclusions I've come to, I don't follow a party platform either.

Stingray24 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

It's true.  So much for the Conservative/Republican {are} evil, screw the poor, stereotype, smears of the libs!

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html

I don't think anyone has been claiming conservative voters are evil, rather, conservative politicians are evil and corrupt. And this man's opinion reflects upon conservative voters, and makes logical sense, but does not reflect upon the politicians of the right at all.

Edit: The study also points out that liberals want the government to give to charity, which if implemented would make them more charitable.

Liberals want the government to give to charity . . . who cares?  It does not.  The subject is the giving of individuals.  Giving of ones own money is charity, not pointing at the government to do it. 

Pretty much.  I think there are two explanations for this phenomenon.

Generally speaking, the elite rich tend to be conservative, so they have the most money to spare on charity.  Secondly, the nature of conservative economics is that the emphasis is on personal responsibility -- in other words, with charity, you have the choice to give or not.  With the government spending tax money on the poor, it forces all of us to give without any form of consent.  Even with government programs in place, conservatives may naturally tend to give more to charity because of this way of thinking.  In effect, personal donations are active charity, while government spending is passive charity.

This is a lot of the reason why I'm Libertarian, and hence, economically conservative.  I prefer to have a choice on where my money goes, since I don't approve of many of the things that the government spends my money on.

This reminds me of major spittles "Liberalism requires ignorance" thread.  The point is, liberal and conservative are two very broad words, and describe two very broad kinds of people, and we could argue for months about who's "more generous".  In which ways?  There are ways to be generous without donating money for someone else to spend instead.