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JohnLeavitt wrote:

ok lets look at this the way the officers on the scene did...

you see three guys come out of this club known for gun problems... they get in their car and apparently try to run your fellow officer over... then they ram your under cover police car... in your mind you thinking THIS IS NOT GOOD, I AM BEING ATTACKED... you don't know what is going to happen next, are they going to get out and shoot me now? so you pull you gun... (the Glocks that NY police use have 18 round clips) you open fire at the car... so does the other officer... bang bang 1 guy dead 2 wounded...

you guys must realize that these are NY police, they are the toughest cops in the world and are used to gunfights. they are trained in firearm efficiency, they can fire 18 shots on target and reload in a matter of seconds... they probably continued to fire as long as the car kept moving... so 50 shots is easily feasible and reasonable especial if there where several police firing... they where simply trying to defend themselves. unfortunately somebody got killed.

well, they might be the toughest cops in the world, and trained in firearms efficiency, but if MSNBC states the NYPD policy on firing on a vehicle correctly, they were in violation of department rules. See my above post.

Now, let me paint a different picture, from the perspective of the guys in the car.

You have just come from a strip club with a certain "reputation", as part of a bachelor party. On your way out, you have also just had a verbal dispute in which a gun was mentioned.
You get in the car. All of a sudden, a total stranger jumps in front of the car and tries to stop you. You don't know who he is, you don't know what he wants. You are afraid and unarmed. It's 4 am in New York....

What do you do ?

Right, the car is the only means of defense you have. So you step gently on the gas and try to push the sucker out of the way. Suddenly, he pulls out a gun and starts shooting at you. In panic, you back up the car in an attempt to get away. More people dressed in plain clothes start shooting at you. Then when there is no more room to go backwards, you hit the gas and try to escape, ramming an unmarked car in the process. Then you die, from police bullets. The officers never identified themselves, never told you to stop, nothing.

Unlikely, you say ?

Let's see what the investigation brings up...

Why weren't the three individuals stopped from entering their vehicle in the first place ?
What were the exact words used in the conversation that included a "gun" ?
Were the three suspects obviously drunk or did they appear sober ?
Did the officers identify themselves properly ?
Were other means available to stop the car apart from putting a shitload of bullets in it ?

Personally, I find the apparent disregard for human life displayed by the officers disturbing. 7 NYPD officers were on the scene and the best idea they could come up with was to shoot the suspects ?
Does that sound like quality police work to you ?

Drykill wrote:

50 shots fired, 21 hit the car. So where the hell did the other 29 shots go, down the street towards more innocents?
Way to trigger happy IMO.

sounds like in THEM.............good rebuttal though, ya got me.

lowing wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6184948.stm

This is an interesting one, what do you all think?

Hmmmmm, a car full of drunks ( including the driver ) were stopped dead in their tracks (after hitting a cop and a police car), before they could, hit someone else like my wife and  kids. I lOVE IT!!!.....but maybe I am being too cold hearted here. Drunks don't ever hurt innocent people do they??

The fact that the police men ever even let them into their car shows a lack of brains.
Im also pretty sure you arent crazy enough to apply the death penalty for drink driving.

Last edited by Vilham (2006-11-28 04:04:14)

lowing wrote:

Vilham wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hmmmmm, a car full of drunks ( including the driver ) were stopped dead in their tracks (after hitting a cop and a police car), before they could, hit someone else like my wife and  kids. I lOVE IT!!!.....but maybe I am being too cold hearted here. Drunks don't ever hurt innocent people do they??

The fact that the police men ever even let them into their car shows a lack of brains.
Im also pretty sure you arent crazy enough to apply the death penalty for drink driving.

Don't take that bet.......I would call it attempted murder.

So in your book drink driving is clasified as attempted murder?

lowing wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6184948.stm

This is an interesting one, what do you all think?

Hmmmmm, a car full of drunks ( including the driver ) were stopped dead in their tracks (after hitting a cop and a police car), before they could, hit someone else like my wife and  kids. I lOVE IT!!!.....but maybe I am being too cold hearted here. Drunks don't ever hurt innocent people do they??

*Slaps forehead*

Last edited by Mason4Assassin444 (2006-11-28 05:08:31)

Poseidon wrote:

This guy hit a police car not once but TWICE. He hits it, backs up, and hits it again. If I were a cop I'd fire too. The amount of shots may have been excessive but they usually always are.

The cops were 100 percent right in doing what they did. The only reason Sharpton is mad is because the guy is black. If he were white, sharpton wouldn't say anything. He can go fuck himself for all I care.

To actually hit the car with stopping his car, it would have been maxium 10 mph crash, ie nothing, that isnt someone attacking you and could never be confused with such.

lowing wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6184948.stm

This is an interesting one, what do you all think?

Hmmmmm, a car full of drunks ( including the driver ) were stopped dead in their tracks (after hitting a cop and a police car), before they could, hit someone else like my wife and  kids. I lOVE IT!!!.....but maybe I am being too cold hearted here. Drunks don't ever hurt innocent people do they??

Please provide a source if you are alleging the driver was drinking.

edit: 

Although apparently the undercover cops might have been:

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaki … 9400c.html
wrote:

It is also calling for the removal of the chief of the Organized Crime Control Bureau, Anthony Izzo, who it says created the undercover unit involved in the incident. Additionally, the group wants a re-examination of what it says is a policy that allows officers from the organized crime control unit to consume alcohol on the job.

Last edited by UnOriginalNuttah (2006-11-30 10:31:56)

They were a bunch of black guys in a car driving recklessly, hitting a cop car without stopping, and leaving a strip club that gangsters frequent.  Maybe Al Sharpton should worry more about the gangsters/druggies that make the police have to treat every black person that fits that description with so much caution to protect themselves.  I know you all would like to think the getto is filled with law abiding blacks that would never hurt anyone, but maybe this is not the reality and you should try to put yourself in the policeman's shoes that has to wade though that filth week after week while being treated like shit by the elected officials everytime the shit hits the fan.

"Police Chief Kelly said the three men were also being watched.

He said an undercover officer at the club had reported that the men were in a group that was involved in a dispute with another person outside the club.

The officer had reportedly called his colleagues saying he feared a gun would be produced.

As the men left the scene, a car they were driving struck an undercover officer on the shin.

It also hit an unmarked police vehicle, which is when five of the seven police officers on the scene opened fire, Mr Kelly said."

Last edited by Major_Spittle (2006-11-30 12:41:12)

TeamZephyr wrote:

lowing wrote:

Vilham wrote:

The fact that the police men ever even let them into their car shows a lack of brains.
Im also pretty sure you arent crazy enough to apply the death penalty for drink driving.

Don't take that bet.......I would call it attempted murder.

Ever heard of Mens Rea?

yup.

1 intentionally.......At some point you were sober and made the conscience decision to become intoxicated without a plan.

2.  knowingly........at some point before you were "drunk" you KNEW you were buzzing and getting drunk without a proper plan.

3. reckless........WHEN you were sober or even buzzed you knew such behavior was reckless if you didn't have a plan.

4.criminal negligence...........ALL of the above behavior and stupidity results in this.


Now, IF WE actually punished people for DD MAYBE they wouldn't be charged for the 2nd 3rd or 4th or 5th time.

It all boils down to personal responsibility once again folks. Tell me how DD is any better than shooting up a town??




DD  and kill someone IS VEHICULAR HOMICIDE, so why isn't DD without killing someone ATTEMPTED VEHICULAR HOMICIDE?? and in my book homicide warrants a death penalty.

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6184948.stm

This is an interesting one, what do you all think?

Hmmmmm, a car full of drunks ( including the driver ) were stopped dead in their tracks (after hitting a cop and a police car), before they could, hit someone else like my wife and  kids. I lOVE IT!!!.....but maybe I am being too cold hearted here. Drunks don't ever hurt innocent people do they??

Please provide a source if you are alleging the driver was drinking.

edit: 

Although apparently the undercover cops might have been:

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaki … 9400c.html
wrote:

It is also calling for the removal of the chief of the Organized Crime Control Bureau, Anthony Izzo, who it says created the undercover unit involved in the incident. Additionally, the group wants a re-examination of what it says is a policy that allows officers from the organized crime control unit to consume alcohol on the job.

Yer right my mistake, it was 4 in the morning, he was at a club that was being staked out  for drugs and prostitution, they tried to run over a cop, then purposely rammed a cop car,( ummmm twicw I think ). Neh, why would you assume anyone was drunk?

Last edited by lowing (2006-12-01 04:29:45)

not to mention there was some kind of conflict inside the club and one of them (i believe the driver) had stated he had a gun in his car, in front of the UC, you know, the one that was hit while he was wearing a badge around his neck.

well it seems people forgot these people had rap sheets a mile long for various pety crimes mostly

but ya 50 rounds could be considered a bit excessive, but 9mm or .40 cal arnt exactly gonna peirce a car easily, so most of the rounds didnt kill or maim, he had to fire so much to actually hit the window instead of the door and trunk etc