Poll

Which one affects the International System the most?

States and the pursuit of their interests17%17% - 7
International Organizations (NATO, EU, UN, OPEC, WTO)12%12% - 5
Economics38%38% - 15
Ideaologies (Religion, Nationalism, Culture)30%30% - 12
Total: 39
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6905|Peoria
Which one do you see as the dominant factor in shaping the International System and as an explanation for why things happen in the world.

If you can, try to apply your choice to explain why 9/11 occurred and US foriegn policy decisions that have been made since then.

I would like as much input as possible as I have to write a paper on this, and I need to field input on it.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6808|Southeastern USA
no one wants to help you with your homework

I'm thinking about this one, just being careful since the options are all tangled with each other
TigerXtrm
Death by Indecency
+51|6627|Netherlands

As much as I hate to admit it, it's religion and the likes that have shaped the world to what they are today. All wars for example have been fought out over religious reasons (except Iraq, that was for money obviously). Also a lot of standard laws have been picked up right out of the bible. Basic stuff like it being immoral to kill another human being would never have been there if it would not have been in the bible or koran or whatever else. Same goes for same sex relations and plenty of other morals.

To make the above relevant to 9/11, the terrorists who pulled off 9/11 did so for religious reasons. America is the #1 enemy of their religion and as a result of that US foreign policies have sharpened.

It all leads back to religion, unfortunatly.

Tiger
The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
+261|6759|Los Angeles

kr@cker wrote:

no one wants to help you with your homework
QFE

Would recommend to do your own thinking rather than letting the internet do it for you.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6902
economics are the reason for everything in life.
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6905|Peoria
I have to conduct a poll as part of the paper. Which is why I'm doing this, I already have my part of the paper mapped out. Its a political science international relations class, and we're doing a case study on 9/11, the middle east, and Iraq. For the poll section I have to poll the student body and I have to do one other poll, so I thought I'd throw one up here.
LockerFish
Member
+47|6964
I chose "economics" as in, the way the economics of an oil using nation like the US partaking in a war in an oil producing nation(that happens to have a majority of Muslims) and disrupting their cultural identities. I hope this isn't taken as a US bashing post, but more as an example of how they economics is the powder keg that ignited other reasons for hostilities...
Fen321
Member
+54|6756|Singularity
Well to be perfectly honest all of the categories bellow state interest....well fall under state interest in some shape or form.


What exactly is being studied in the case study, cause by the looks of it that sounds like an entire course in itself.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6753
Religion is not a motivation for actions, it is a justification, or an excuse.

Economics is the persuit of one's own interests and it encompasses politics. As such, economics explains the motivation for all human actions. Economics is the study of motivations and the workings of systems.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6703|The Land of Scott Walker

jonsimon wrote:

. . . Economics is the persuit of one's own interests and it encompasses politics. As such, economics explains the motivation for all human actions. Economics is the study of motivations and the workings of systems.
In the international arena, I'd say economics, too.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6840|SE London

Would you not say that pursuit of personal interests encompasses economics?
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6905|Peoria
Well, this is sort of a comprehensive to the course. It teaches the 4 different viewpoints of IR.

Realist Perspective which believes that states are the force behind the International System.

Liberal Perspective which believes that International Organizations are the force behind the International System.

Radical Perspective which believes that economics is the driving force behind the International System.

and finally

Constructivist Perspective which believes that social forces, cultural Identity, religion, nationalism, and other philosophies drive the International System.
OpsChief
Member
+101|6934|Southern California
Ideologies extend through all of the other 3 categories. Economic systems at least begin as ideological. States same same. Organizations are founded on ideology. I am pretty sure ideology isn't limited to religion, nationalism and cultural areas
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6905|Peoria

OpsChief wrote:

I am pretty sure ideology isn't limited to religion, nationalism and cultural areas
I was just giving examples. Earlier, we covered WWII and the explanation from each perspective, and this is what constructivist listed as the causes.

Nationalism, Isolationism, Communism, and Fascism.
OpsChief
Member
+101|6934|Southern California

Elamdri wrote:

OpsChief wrote:

I am pretty sure ideology isn't limited to religion, nationalism and cultural areas
I was just giving examples. Earlier, we covered WWII and the explanation from each perspective, and this is what constructivist listed as the causes.

Nationalism, Isolationism, Communism, and Fascism.
Where did you cover WWII?

Ideology is still the prime motivator of the four systems listed. If nobody believed in Facism enough to promote and sustain it we would never have heard of it.

No International System exists without humans to sustain it. So at the root of all of the categories are shared human values. Human values shape perspectives which when taken collectively become an Ideology and the eventual formation of systems. Systems in turn compete to attain dominance or they wither and die, so continuing the ideolgoy is needed. Since an Ideology is the expression of personal/social motivation it is the prime affector of International Systems.

Take any of the existing Economic Systems (not survival economics but systems). They all started with an ideology, a movement, a force then finally a practice. It takes an ideology in the beginning to get your system to play on the international stage.

I maintain that the litmus test for these discussions always boils down to this: If you remove human initiation and participation, and the system concept or facility becomes irrelevant then it is always the affect of the human cause/spirit/values at the core.

Last edited by OpsChief (2006-11-30 20:33:46)

RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6973|US
I just read part of "The Clash of Civilizations" by Huntington.  It had some interesting thoughts on this topic, although the analysis and predictions were a bit dated (early '90s).  Give it a glance and make your own opinions.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6663|North Carolina
Economics.  The Almighty Dollar rules all.
JimmyBotswana
Member
+82|6844|Montreal
Economics. If people realized how the economic system has been structured since the end of the Bretton Woods system in the mid 1970s, they would not accept it. The system has been so skewed in favor of the rich investor class and has abandoned the old idea of a social good. Here in Canada, and things are similar in most western nations, instead of getting money from our central bank at almost no interest like we did under Bretton Woods, we now borrow from private investors like the IMF, or Canadian private banks like the Royal Bank or CIBC. As a result, the government now pays a high interest charge for the right to print its own money, something it should be able to do for free. In Canada 95% of all money is bank created as opposed government created, with the inherent interest charges attached. As a result our debt, which since confederation to 1970 never went above 30 billion, has peaked at over 500 billion. I believe it is now around 440 billion. No one in the country understands this, and as a result no one understands why we don't have enough money to finance healthcare, or schools or our military. Everyone just assumes the country doesn't have enough money and that we should privatize our social services, when nothing could be further from the truth. Again, the situation is similar in all western nations except Sweden. So my response is definitely the financial architecture our system is based on is the most important factor. If people could just understand how it does not benefit the majority of us, I believe we would be a long way to a much better world.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6663|North Carolina
Excellent post, Jimmy.  Fiat money systems have several problems, which is why Alan Greenspan and many other influential economists and investors advocate a return to the Gold Standard.  When money is tied to a physical commodity, governments and banks are forced to be more conservative in their behavior.  A switch to the Gold Standard would force our government to balance the budget and to stop spending so much more than we actually have.

I would disagree with one part of your analysis, however.  Canada's debt as a percentage of its annual GDP is relatively low.  It's much lower than America's percentage, for example.  While it is true that the current financial system is partially to blame for the dramatic increase in debt in Canada, your country has begun to pay off its debt, which is far more than I can say for America.

Still, privatizing your healthcare would significantly ease your government's ability to pay off the debt.  The transition period between socialized healthcare and privatized healthcare will likely be painful, but I think you'll be glad it happened when all is said and done.

Besides, socialized healthcare doesn't work very well on a national level.  It's far more efficient if it is administrated and funded on a provincial level rather than nationally.  Look at Alberta.
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6905|Peoria
See, what I like about this topic is a that the first 2 choices have a much more direct impact on the system, but they are more narrow in scope, while the second 2 are more passive in how they affect they system, but they are much more broad in terms of scope.

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