sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7016|Argentina
I saw in TV a documentary about the problems that blind persons have to identify bill notes in the US.  Then I realized that this problem occurs in a lot of countries including Argentina.  Have you ever thought of this?
The Euro Banknotes are made in different sizes.
I found this article about this problem,

Since all U.S. banknotes are the same color and size(approximately 67 millimeters by 156 millimeters) and all are made of the same kind of paper, the user must be able to see the printed design to determine the denomination of a bill. This means that blind Americans cannot identify their own money without assistance from machines or sighted people, and even sighted people sometimes make errors in cash transactions in situations where lighting is less than ideal.  For many people, the inaccessible design of American paper currency causes problems in the daily activities of buying and selling merchandise, using public transportation, and working in jobs that require handling cash.  In 1997, BlindDollars.org fought to pass House Resolution 122 and Senate Resolution 292 in 1997. The Treasury department ignored these resolutions, which called for tactile features on paper money.  In 2002, the American Council of the Blind (ACB) brought suit against the United States Department of the Treasury; demanding that the Treasury make United States currency accessible to visually impaired people.  On November 28, 2006, U.S. District Judge James Robertson ruled in favor of the ACB.

What do you think?  Is this discriminatory?  Should they make banknotes in different sizes and textures or shapes? 

IMO this is discrimination because blind people can't identify different bills, which makes buying things a hard task for them.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-11-29 16:17:46)

l41e
Member
+677|6907

Well, I guess it's technically descrimination, but not intentional.

I think the people who designed the modern-day USD were thinking more of "let's make it regular and easier to print/store" than "we don't like blind people".
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6778|Adelaide, South Australia

perhaps they could print similar notes, but have Braille punched in as well?

i dont believe its discrimination, it'd just be harder to print notes in different shapes/sizes/colours/textures.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6943|United States of America
I saw that today. I don't really know how much money the blind are forking out all the time to be spending on... what? A new car? Night vision goggles? A telescope? From what I see, many usually have family to help care for them.
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|7009|Chicago.
US Bills are printed in a specific way with certain dimensions to prevent counterfeiting. The Treasury isn't out to get those with impaired vision.
RavyGravy
Son.
+617|6664|NSW, Australia

In Australia the more the notes are worth the bigger they are(but they not overly big they still look normal) and they in different colours as well
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6778|Adelaide, South Australia

<<<FTDM>>>Gen.Raven wrote:

In Australia the more the notes are worth the bigger they are(but they not overly big they still look normal) and they in different colours as well
yes, because blind people can tell colours....

Last edited by Fenris_GreyClaw (2006-11-29 16:47:17)

IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6749|Northern California
Of course it's not discrimination..unless enough blind people call it that.  Discrimination denotes an intentional denial if I'm not mistaken.  When US treasury notes were created and sized, it's probable that something like this was simply overlooked..or if considered, was denied due to costs.

Regardless, the US government can do nothing about the notes since they are property of a private group of banks called the federal reserve.  US coins, however, are made by the government and are of different sizes and textures so as not to discriminate.

In short, make the blind use coins! lol

*blind guy buying a car* "OK, here's thirty two thousand, five hundred and eighteen dollars *clink*....thirty two thousand, five hundred and nineteen dollars *clink* ....thirty two..."

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2006-11-29 16:29:10)

RavyGravy
Son.
+617|6664|NSW, Australia

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

<<<FTDM>>>Gen.Raven wrote:

In Australia the more the notes are worth the bigger they are(but they not overly big they still look normal) and they in different colours as well
yes, because blind people can tell colours....
sure why not there not colour blind
BeerzGod
Hooray Beer!
+94|6828|United States
I'm blind and this is complete and utter discrimination against me!!
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6749|Northern California

BeerzGod wrote:

I'm blind and this is complete and utter discrimination against me!!
Well, you're one of the blind people that suck.  And if you stop masturbating, you'll regain your sight!
13rin
Member
+977|6737
I think that this lawsuit is crap.  This is just another useless pinko lib left lawsuit.  Another leftist Federal Judge throwing his bulk around.  There are things that I can't do that others can provided by the federal government.  I cope.  I don't sue.  There are ways around their issue, eg . Folding bills into a shape per denomination.  Life aint easy -deal with it.

How many non-blind people use cash?  I love my wallet.  I don't want to buy a new one that will have compartments for different size bills.  What the Fuck?   Why must the majority go out of their way to accommodate the few?  Why and how has the system gotten so ass backwards?

Where does it all end?   What's next?  Fat -em sorry (anorexic challenged) people sue to get larger seats for the obese at movie theaters and ball parks? 

How about I start a social norm movement interest group, hire the ACLU and sue to get these idiotic laws & rulings reversed.  I feel discriminated against by being a "normal" American.  All of the regular Joe Lunchboxes are getting screwed.   

HESEUSE CRISTO!
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6814

DBBrinson1 wrote:

I think that this lawsuit is crap.  This is just another useless pinko lib left lawsuit.  Another leftist Federal Judge throwing his bulk around.  There are things that I can't do that others can provided by the federal government.  I cope.  I don't sue.  There are ways around their issue, eg . Folding bills into a shape per denomination.  Life aint easy -deal with it.

How many non-blind people use cash?  I love my wallet.  I don't want to buy a new one that will have compartments for different size bills.  What the Fuck?   Why must the majority go out of their way to accommodate the few?  Why and how has the system gotten so ass backwards?

Where does it all end?   What's next?  Fat -em sorry (anorexic challenged) people sue to get larger seats for the obese at movie theaters and ball parks? 

How about I start a social norm movement interest group, hire the ACLU and sue to get these idiotic laws & rulings reversed.  I feel discriminated against by being a "normal" American.  All of the regular Joe Lunchboxes are getting screwed.   

HESEUSE CRISTO!
How caring of you!!! Blind people: born with it or generally uncurable. Fat people: stop fucking eating. Anorexic: see a fucking shrink. I think the least you can do for someone afflicted with something through no fault of their own is to ease their probably not-too-amazing lives just a little. The sacrifice to you is practically nil. Treatable ailment: they can go fuck themselves.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-11-29 17:18:47)

ozghost
Mr piss EVERYONE off
+48|6968|Kangarooland
need to teach the seeing eye dogs to count and differentiate between the notes.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6943|United States of America

CameronPoe wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

I think that this lawsuit is crap.  This is just another useless pinko lib left lawsuit.  Another leftist Federal Judge throwing his bulk around.  There are things that I can't do that others can provided by the federal government.  I cope.  I don't sue.  There are ways around their issue, eg . Folding bills into a shape per denomination.  Life aint easy -deal with it.

How many non-blind people use cash?  I love my wallet.  I don't want to buy a new one that will have compartments for different size bills.  What the Fuck?   Why must the majority go out of their way to accommodate the few?  Why and how has the system gotten so ass backwards?

Where does it all end?   What's next?  Fat -em sorry (anorexic challenged) people sue to get larger seats for the obese at movie theaters and ball parks? 

How about I start a social norm movement interest group, hire the ACLU and sue to get these idiotic laws & rulings reversed.  I feel discriminated against by being a "normal" American.  All of the regular Joe Lunchboxes are getting screwed.   

HESEUSE CRISTO!
How caring of you!!! Blind people: born with it or generally uncurable. Fat people: stop fucking eating. Anorexic: see a fucking shrink. I think the least you can do for someone afflicted with something through no fault of their own is to ease their probably not-too-amazing lives just a little. The sacrifice to you is practically nil. Treatable ailment: they can go fuck themselves.
What about the blind people who go "Hey dude, watch this---POKE"
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6855|Seattle

We can't cater to evryone's little needs. I say no.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
evilcartman99
The Octagon
+18|6671|da ville, va
They don't have to use cash at all they can use a credit card or checks
Ender2309
has joined the GOP
+470|6829|USA

evilcartman99 wrote:

They don't have to use cash at all they can use a credit card or checks
/win
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7016|Argentina
I'm amazed by the lack of consideration about blind people.  Do you know what it means giving a 100 bill and waiting a 80 dollars change, but receiving 20 dollars instead.  Very nice.  Shame on you.  And yes it is discrimination.  Why do you think there are ramps for the handicapped people?  What?  You wanna climb to the entrance?  Well, learn to walk.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-11-30 03:24:25)

Jenkinsbball
Banned
+149|6807|USA bitches!
It's not discrimination... seriously, you people think of the dumbest shit to debate sometimes...
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6808|Southeastern USA
<snork+snicker>
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6625|Columbus, Ohio

Jenkinsbball wrote:

It's not discrimination... seriously, you people think of the dumbest shit to debate sometimes...
QFT
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7016|Argentina

usmarine2007 wrote:

Jenkinsbball wrote:

It's not discrimination... seriously, you people think of the dumbest shit to debate sometimes...
QFT
You should know about that.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6625|Columbus, Ohio

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Jenkinsbball wrote:

It's not discrimination... seriously, you people think of the dumbest shit to debate sometimes...
QFT
You should know about that.
QFT
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6808|Southeastern USA

usmarine2007 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


QFT
You should know about that.
QFT
QFE

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