sounded like u meant ALL.. my fault
Good lord, I just left the thread alone because I almost forgot about it but looking back, I've already been attacked because I choose not to bunny hop. Look all I'm saying is that it's entirely not necessary and looks ridiculous (though many claim it as a lifesaver). And 'a cardinal sin in the FPS world'? Maybe in your world but who else agrees with this? Seems like someone's taking this way too seriously than I am and as for myself, I'm just stating something that many people have had concerns about with bunny-hopping. I've suggested ways that could alleviate this problem with that 15 second cooldown I asked because who could really jump around endlessly with pounds of equipment on their back? Again, though this is a game, I'm pretty sure the game designers and coders just overlooked this.<{SoE}>Agamemnar wrote:
So... you are basically trashing bunny hoppers becauseAardcore wrote:
Bunny hopping, we've all seen it in some shape and form and it's probably been around since the dawn of time... okay maybe not the dawn of time but ever since FPS has been conceived, this technique has been the bread 'n' butter as well as the shit 'n' scandal of many a downfall. Does it really save your life? Is it really worth doing?
Personally I say no because not only does it seem ridiculous to do, it is ridiculous. There is NO WAY in hell that even the most trained Ranger or Navy Seal in military profession can jump 3/4ths the height of his own body again, and again and again while screaming "We got Charlie everywhere! Don't worry I'm bunnyhopping so I'm good for a good 5 minutes till you guys get here!" That doesn't happen...
Despite this being a game, I seriously do not want to conform to that silly little tactic after seeing countless bodies go down from my own rounds and as much as I even feel TEMPTED to do it, I'm not... so what about the rest of you? A post like this probably exists as is but what about a solution?
If another patch comes out, I say they should deal with the bunnyhopping situation, like after doing a jump, there's a 15 second cool down or something, your stamina won't drop completely but your chances of doing it again are because I'm sure someone in reality could take a SINGLE jump, but to do it over and over again would be proposterous. So why not give it a cooldown session of 15 seconds or something and then LEG THE REST OF IT! They should... I dunno, that's just my thoughts on it, what about y'all?
1) You can't aim for shit. Your anticipation is next to a snail.
2) You never heard of a noobtube the assault class gets?
3) Your poor little fingers don't have the reflex required to bunny-hop with the best of 'em.
Also, do not even try to mention REAL LIFE when addressing balance. This is a cardinal sin in the FPS world.
Many might not know but the reason why all these patches come out for BF2 is because this game's core came out too early in development that they rather set it free and work on it later while the game is in progress. Bunnyhopping MIGHT be one of those problems, it could, I'm not really sure but I do know there is something that can be done to remedy this situation it houses. And for those who praise its 'tactful' glory, keep doing it! I know people who don't do it, refuse to do it, but for every person I can say for it, there will be an outnumbering numeral of people who bunny-hop in accord to my judgment.
As for those claims you made on me Agamemnar, you haven't played a game with or against me to know how I play. I'm just now using assault as a main medium of my gameplay, and not enough reflex to bunny-hop with the rest of them? Did you misread or just not PROCESS in your mind what I wrote? I said I refuse to do it. The ONLY time I'd ever take the chance to jump is when I'm on a dash to run for cover and hop over one of the brick fences that stands half the height of me. If I'm under fire and I see an open space in a fence to go take cover in, I will RUN to that opening but if I die in my attempt to run for cover then so be it, I was taken out fair & square but also, in a sportsman's way of going down that they whoever took me out, took me out with me having to bunnyhop. Now you or anyone else might say that's just stupid or newbish of me when I know I could have bunny-hopped, but there are still a few conscious people out there who know when they're beat and I'm one of them.
Well it's your choice, if you don't want to jump about like the best of 'em then by all means don't.
But for the love of god don't make a post, bitching about people who do bunnyhop. It's their choice to play that way and you should respect it like you expect everyone to respect your choice to not bunny hop.
You say bunnyhopping isn't realistic and is just stupid? Fair enough, I'll agree to that but let's look at just a few of the really unrealistic aspects of BF2 and yet no one has yet complained about these.
The runways
Amazingly these superb runways are actually home to an invisible crew who attach themselves to your plane as you fly over the runway and rearm and repair you jet. Hell even the helipad has some too for the choppers. "OMFG THAT IS TEH AMAZING"
The amazing Medic back and defibrillator not only do these revive and heal head shots from a .50c sniper round but also against shrapnel, machine gun fire, pretty much anything.
The deadly 1mph jeep that can kill anyone who happens to cross it's path... Instantly. Even the wonder defibrillator won't save you from that one. "DAYMN THAT JEEP IS TEH SHIT"
The ammo bag of wonder, not only can this small bag carry over 14 rockets for 3 different chopppers, tanks, APC pretty much ammo for any weapon or vehicle in the game but the Support character can carry an infinite amount of these bags and still be able to move. Wow amazing!
The supply crate that is just... Well again awesome. This small crate not only includes runway pixies that fix anything and rearm anything next to it but it also heals and rearms infantry but more importantly makes a superb addition to the scenery until it's either blown up by or blows up by itself "OMG THAT CRAT BLEW UP WTF OMG, Erm where did the pixies go?"
And you thought bunny hopping was unrealistic, to be honest it's quite realisitic when you compare it to those above
But for the love of god don't make a post, bitching about people who do bunnyhop. It's their choice to play that way and you should respect it like you expect everyone to respect your choice to not bunny hop.
You say bunnyhopping isn't realistic and is just stupid? Fair enough, I'll agree to that but let's look at just a few of the really unrealistic aspects of BF2 and yet no one has yet complained about these.
The runways
Amazingly these superb runways are actually home to an invisible crew who attach themselves to your plane as you fly over the runway and rearm and repair you jet. Hell even the helipad has some too for the choppers. "OMFG THAT IS TEH AMAZING"
The amazing Medic back and defibrillator not only do these revive and heal head shots from a .50c sniper round but also against shrapnel, machine gun fire, pretty much anything.
The deadly 1mph jeep that can kill anyone who happens to cross it's path... Instantly. Even the wonder defibrillator won't save you from that one. "DAYMN THAT JEEP IS TEH SHIT"
The ammo bag of wonder, not only can this small bag carry over 14 rockets for 3 different chopppers, tanks, APC pretty much ammo for any weapon or vehicle in the game but the Support character can carry an infinite amount of these bags and still be able to move. Wow amazing!
The supply crate that is just... Well again awesome. This small crate not only includes runway pixies that fix anything and rearm anything next to it but it also heals and rearms infantry but more importantly makes a superb addition to the scenery until it's either blown up by or blows up by itself "OMG THAT CRAT BLEW UP WTF OMG, Erm where did the pixies go?"
And you thought bunny hopping was unrealistic, to be honest it's quite realisitic when you compare it to those above
^^I love this man.
And there are still loads of problems and exploits that make BF2 this 'unrealistic' world, but there are still some things about it that could be situated in a more thought out method. I agree there are some things in the game that seem pretty improbable but I'm just talking about one thing towards gameplay that EA/DICE could have thought out a little better than to have some infinitely exploited amount of jumptime. Even though this is just a game, thinking out the way it could have been played out would have been thought out a little better.Esker wrote:
Well it's your choice, if you don't want to jump about like the best of 'em then by all means don't.
But for the love of god don't make a post, bitching about people who do bunnyhop. It's their choice to play that way and you should respect it like you expect everyone to respect your choice to not bunny hop.
You say bunnyhopping isn't realistic and is just stupid? Fair enough, I'll agree to that but let's look at just a few of the really unrealistic aspects of BF2 and yet no one has yet complained about these.
The runways
Amazingly these superb runways are actually home to an invisible crew who attach themselves to your plane as you fly over the runway and rearm and repair you jet. Hell even the helipad has some too for the choppers. "OMFG THAT IS TEH AMAZING"
The amazing Medic back and defibrillator not only do these revive and heal head shots from a .50c sniper round but also against shrapnel, machine gun fire, pretty much anything.
The deadly 1mph jeep that can kill anyone who happens to cross it's path... Instantly. Even the wonder defibrillator won't save you from that one. "DAYMN THAT JEEP IS TEH SHIT"
The ammo bag of wonder, not only can this small bag carry over 14 rockets for 3 different chopppers, tanks, APC pretty much ammo for any weapon or vehicle in the game but the Support character can carry an infinite amount of these bags and still be able to move. Wow amazing!
The supply crate that is just... Well again awesome. This small crate not only includes runway pixies that fix anything and rearm anything next to it but it also heals and rearms infantry but more importantly makes a superb addition to the scenery until it's either blown up by or blows up by itself "OMG THAT CRAT BLEW UP WTF OMG, Erm where did the pixies go?"
And you thought bunny hopping was unrealistic, to be honest it's quite realisitic when you compare it to those above
So you honestly can say you're not annoyed by bunnyhoppers? If that's the case what was your 2 cents for in this thread? I was looking for some feedback rather than to read someone say that I'm 'bitching' about it. If it comes out like that then that's the way you perceived it but I'm not trying to come down on anyone, just settling how my experience with bunnyhoppers, which is in fact annoyed, but I would prefer not to get into the whole psychology argument of this discussion which would shy away from the situation.
I've added comments on how to alleviate it whether anyone will approve or not, I've put my own opinion on it but I do not respect anyone that when they know there's a fair firefight just before them they start bouncing around like some 5-year old hyped up on sugar and then pump out a grenade from the dubbed 'noob-tube' ultimately killing me, yes, but also killing themselves. I've yet to have a bunny-hopper come close and personal without doing that because he thinks that last jump could reduce the blast radius and somehow save him. I say hi with bullets, I'd expect a sportsman like attempt to have my enemy reply with bullets.
Perhaps it's not that bunnyhoppers from a distance get to me, that's not the issue, I'll easily pick them off as they try hopping away and I'll admit, feel better that I took one their kind out, what gets me is when they're no more than a few paces away, and what could be a formidable firefight, if not knife fight, ends up with him jumping towards me, and finishing off with the grenade launcer. THAT's what makes it ridiculous.
I do respect the choices they make but I do feel like they're using unnecessary force to accomplish something that could be done with a little more thought and planned action rather than a bouncing'skill' that anyone could do. Anyone could hop, shoot with their grenade launcher and expect their grenade launcher's projectile to finish me off with the blast radious. That's not skill, that's more like common sense that just happens to go in their favor.
I can honestly say I am not annoyed by bunnyhoppers I combat them by doing the same or I just dolphin dive the cunts and spray bullets at them. You could argue I'm just as n00bish as they are but I don't give a shit, I'm not having that guy mow down my entire team because they're too busy complaining about him rather than actually killing him. Bunny hopping is ridiculous but so is BF2, I haven't even began to mention all the bizzare happenings in BF2 land. Be a man and adapt, don't complain.
If bunny hoppers really annoy you, then you need to seriously rethink your strategy, and come up with a way to combat them. whether it be jumping in a tank or spraying them with a machine gun. Bunny hopping and all the other dirty play styles are here to stay and instead of asking for feedback on what we think maybe asking "How do you combat bunny hoppers" would have been more appropiate than "The Bunnyranch?! YUGH!"
End of the day people play this game to how they see fit, none of us have a real right to say it's wrong. You have to just put up with it and respect it. Rest assured I won't complain if you don't bunny hop. I honestly couldn't care a damn.
If bunny hoppers really annoy you, then you need to seriously rethink your strategy, and come up with a way to combat them. whether it be jumping in a tank or spraying them with a machine gun. Bunny hopping and all the other dirty play styles are here to stay and instead of asking for feedback on what we think maybe asking "How do you combat bunny hoppers" would have been more appropiate than "The Bunnyranch?! YUGH!"
End of the day people play this game to how they see fit, none of us have a real right to say it's wrong. You have to just put up with it and respect it. Rest assured I won't complain if you don't bunny hop. I honestly couldn't care a damn.
Yet somewhere in the midst of it all you still push the claim farther than even I stressed the issue. Yes I could argue how 'n00bish' they are but I'm not because I feel as though I've pressed the claim as far as I can push it without having someone, specifically you, to attack the issue. I don't really think you read everything I had to say clearly and that you took the issue out of sights than it should or could have been. But that's all perception isn't it?Esker wrote:
I can honestly say I am not annoyed by bunnyhoppers I combat them by doing the same or I just dolphin dive the cunts and spray bullets at them. You could argue I'm just as n00bish as they are but I don't give a shit, I'm not having that guy mow down my entire team because they're too busy complaining about him rather than actually killing him. Bunny hopping is ridiculous but so is BF2, I haven't even began to mention all the bizzare happenings in BF2 land. Be a man and adapt, don't complain.
If bunny hoppers really annoy you, then you need to seriously rethink your strategy, and come up with a way to combat them. whether it be jumping in a tank or spraying them with a machine gun. Bunny hopping and all the other dirty play styles are here to stay and instead of asking for feedback on what we think maybe asking "How do you combat bunny hoppers" would have been more appropiate than "The Bunnyranch?! YUGH!"
End of the day people play this game to how they see fit, none of us have a real right to say it's wrong. You have to just put up with it and respect it. Rest assured I won't complain if you don't bunny hop. I honestly couldn't care a damn.
You won't be annoyed by bunnyhoppers yet I am and will honestly say that I will be, that's perception. Rethink my strategy? How much more can it be than to just shoot the person in front of me when I've already exemplified just how much timing there is involved-- none. Again I think you missed out on some of the issues with my own experiences of bunnyhoppers and especially reported my encounter with them and how they always end up with them suicide bombing themselves, occuringly taking me with them in their pseudojihad. So far I've just put my claims out in a thought out procession of outcomes yet you've come to see any of that. To you this is just another forum thread of a guy spending his time complaining. But what do you really care? Like you said, you honestly couldn't care a damn.
When you come back and tell me how to deal with a bunnyhopper point blank, cornered with his recklessness to destroy me with his grenade launcher and have this happening within a very small time frame of a SECOND, as that's what's usually happened, you tell me how exactly I can redesign my tactics. But to have you coming in spreading your filth of words like they should mean anything to stress your point truly shows ignorance of how I enjoy my game, without idiocy.
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Stop bitching about this game being unrealistic. Its a game - if you want realism, go join the Army - the graphics are better, there's no respawn points, and if you get lag you're fucked. But my bet is if you see some guy getting shot at, he's gonna JUMP or DIVE out of the way into cover.
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Yes, I'm aware of this, look you don't need to joke about the realism thing, it's been shot to death now apparently and it's not gonna get any better, all I need now is more people to badger on about this but whatever gets you through the day. I for one have seen the word 'bitching' once too many times and would appreciate if it stopped, I didn't ask to be flamed. In hopes of getting some positive feedback or a discussion out of it I get this instead.TehSeraphim wrote:
Stop bitching about this game being unrealistic. Its a game - if you want realism, go join the Army - the graphics are better, there's no respawn points, and if you get lag you're fucked. But my bet is if you see some guy getting shot at, he's gonna JUMP or DIVE out of the way into cover.
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I apologize, I did not mean to flame you in particular. I for one am an avid bunnyhopper, although I never do it while firing a weapon (unless I'm noob tubing - gotta fight dirty on Karkand cuz everyone else does it). If you look through these forums you will see countless amounts of arguments on people who bunnyhop, and now that it is being kinda taken out of the game, I feel very cheated.
I remember playing Americas Army when they had just relased the SF pack - there was an urban map called hospital, and all the soldiers carried grenades. This made that map very fun, and pretty much the same thing as Karkand except smaller - more CQC kinda stuff. In the beginning people would chuck grenades over a small building and many people would die because they would run into the SAME area where the grenades landed EVERY round and didn't think to go one of the other 4 ways they could have gone. The next patch that was released the grenades were taken out and the map lost some of its fun.
My point is that people are too lazy to adapt to playing in the game and simply complain and whine until it gets fixed and made easier for them. I'm not pointing at you specifically, but I generalize about 90% of the people who complain about things such as spawn raping, bunnyhopping, dolphin diving, etcetera. Read my posts on spawncamping and you'll see what I mean.
Too often people will play on maps such as Karkand and, near the Hotel a USMC Tank will sit, while guys who are medic or assault just run by it over and over and get mowed down everytime, but cry about how a tank is sitting there. These are the kinds of people who refuse to change class to AT or Spec Ops. I may be a medic whore, but I know how to take out vehicle should I need to, and I feel that many people who don't learn to adapt in this game will just whine about every little problem until this game becomes so watered down that it won't take much skill to be one of the better players.
So, I will continue to say that people are "bitching" because that is what I feel they are doing. When I'm getting my ass handed to me I don't enjoy it, but I appreciate the fact that I'm adapting and learning how to deal with new situations in the game.
I remember playing Americas Army when they had just relased the SF pack - there was an urban map called hospital, and all the soldiers carried grenades. This made that map very fun, and pretty much the same thing as Karkand except smaller - more CQC kinda stuff. In the beginning people would chuck grenades over a small building and many people would die because they would run into the SAME area where the grenades landed EVERY round and didn't think to go one of the other 4 ways they could have gone. The next patch that was released the grenades were taken out and the map lost some of its fun.
My point is that people are too lazy to adapt to playing in the game and simply complain and whine until it gets fixed and made easier for them. I'm not pointing at you specifically, but I generalize about 90% of the people who complain about things such as spawn raping, bunnyhopping, dolphin diving, etcetera. Read my posts on spawncamping and you'll see what I mean.
Too often people will play on maps such as Karkand and, near the Hotel a USMC Tank will sit, while guys who are medic or assault just run by it over and over and get mowed down everytime, but cry about how a tank is sitting there. These are the kinds of people who refuse to change class to AT or Spec Ops. I may be a medic whore, but I know how to take out vehicle should I need to, and I feel that many people who don't learn to adapt in this game will just whine about every little problem until this game becomes so watered down that it won't take much skill to be one of the better players.
So, I will continue to say that people are "bitching" because that is what I feel they are doing. When I'm getting my ass handed to me I don't enjoy it, but I appreciate the fact that I'm adapting and learning how to deal with new situations in the game.
I just don't see the point in doing it, for me I've only had the game for about a month now and I feel as though I've made some pretty good progress considering. It's just when I started 'adapting', ya know, getting the lingo down and knowing what's what in the what's up for the business of the game I start to notice some pretty messed up things that shouldn't be and shouldn't go as far as some things go. I'm not saying all bunnyhoppers are forms of any scum and derogative word I can come up with, I just say there are more practiced methods that can help someone out rather than having to hop around LOL. I'm not asking for a DRASTIC change of the game like what your situation states when you played A'sA, I just know there are better ways to go about it.
Even in other FPS games I've played, I doubt I recall myself ever having to jump out of the way unless I needed to but never at a constant endless ballet of BUNNYHOP. Such as golden moments of Quake 3 Arena, I remember having to jump only when a stream of plasma rounds came soaring my way, or a rocket because everyone aimed at the feet LOL. In here the 'rules' and adept calling are much different. GOING PRONE ACTUALLY SAVES YOU for once unlike any other FPS I've played so far (America's Army discluded since I've actually never played).
Even in other FPS games I've played, I doubt I recall myself ever having to jump out of the way unless I needed to but never at a constant endless ballet of BUNNYHOP. Such as golden moments of Quake 3 Arena, I remember having to jump only when a stream of plasma rounds came soaring my way, or a rocket because everyone aimed at the feet LOL. In here the 'rules' and adept calling are much different. GOING PRONE ACTUALLY SAVES YOU for once unlike any other FPS I've played so far (America's Army discluded since I've actually never played).
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players are more unrealistic than the game, just read yourselves
Depending I'd suppose but that's mandatory I'd assume LOL.shikimoribito wrote:
players are more unrealistic than the game, just read yourselves
If you want to bunny hop and dolphin dive, go right ahead and do it. It just shows other players that you are an unexperienced player. I'm hoping the new patch will take the ability to aim and shoot while bunny hopping and dolphin diving away from these smacktards.
I'm pretty anxious of the patch too just to see how the game'll play out. I'm not praising or denouncing the changes will be but I can't wait to play it out myself and see what happens. Whether it'll be a success or a failure I'm not sure but we'll all see how it goes.wraithpilot wrote:
If you want to bunny hop and dolphin dive, go right ahead and do it. It just shows other players that you are an unexperienced player. I'm hoping the new patch will take the ability to aim and shoot while bunny hopping and dolphin diving away from these smacktards.
once again i have no problem with those cute bunnies...i kill them everytime and they cry about it
bunnies r easy to kill with your main weapon or pistol IF you know how to use it against them
bunnies r easy to kill with your main weapon or pistol IF you know how to use it against them