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so what's the difference between defending and camping anyway?

MrEzeuss wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

so what's the difference between defending and camping anyway?

The difference is that defending is done with your back towards a place of spawn, keeping people away from your flag/silo.
camping is overseeing the places people are about to spawn at, and killing them as they come into play.

But if i have a bad commander, and no support teammembers, and i'm out of ammo on all my weapons, should EA make me invunerable to gunfire until i get some more ammo or should there be a rule that people way not shoot me when i have a knife in my hand?
Because it would be unfair for me to do combat if i have the disadvantage of bad teamwork doesn't it?

O, and another rule, no claymores or waiting in the upper entrance of the Titan, because i can't see if the area is safe before i jump into the hole. O, and when the core is breached let's not open the rear entrance, so the defending team can rush in and swamp the coreroom and massacre everyone who tries to get in.
There was even someone who camplained about everyone spawning at the flag closesd to the uncap-base.
Where is it going to stop!!
lets overregulate the whole game, infact lets take out every element, give everyone a pistol with unlimited ammo and lets just shoot at eachother on an open field.

Come on!

JdeFalconr wrote What you WANT to do doesn't matter! You cannot, in fact, play however you want to, especially when violating EA's or a server's rules.
So what the otherone wants does count?! well just think of me as the ohterone then.

k30dxedle wrote a lot of things about the 'pro play-as-you-want' people. There will be people that use MSN language like '|337' or 'get off da srvr n00b', there will always be that kind of reactions. But don't let it blind you in the discussion. The 'play-by-the-rules' party just want rules and regulations for everything annoying that could happen to them. Soon enough you will be scoring points if you obey the rules instead of killing an enemy player.

On that thought, let's make medals and pins for that. A pin for playing five games without camping.
Or a medal for spawning at the furthest spawnpoint and running all the  #%&& way to the uncap-base without being shot by the recon sniper that crawls along the edge of the playingfield towards the the furthest flag to capture it (or would that be deemed illigal to? because then the enemy could spawn at to points and you have them in the front AND in the back, and that would be unfair).

Or let's stop whining, and play. Because if everybody starts to camp, there will be no fighting, and there will be no fun for EVERYONE, so it stops itself.
Hust look at the Titan. When the shields drop and everybody rushes towards the Titan to defend it, they eventually go back, if there's noone that attacks them.

+1 for good use of sarcasm and good points in general

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

baserape, basecamp, spawnkill all you bloodywell want. if they are stupid enough to spawn there constantly, they deserve to die.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

k30dxedle wrote:

(Also, I suppose you take it perfectly fine when they camp your main? Not a chance, no matter what you make up.)

If you're good enough to get that far, then you deserve to rape my base. i won't be a pansy and disconnect, i'll fight back harder and harder until we lose, or we get a new flag.

its one reason for my shitty K/D ratio.

Last edited by Fenris_GreyClaw (2006-11-26 05:36:11)

If the sever had rules, relating to camping, then you deserved to be kicked.

CD ban is a bit much though.

But you are standing near the walker spawn, so we know why you are there

MrEzeuss wrote:

The difference is that defending is done with your back towards a place of spawn, keeping people away from your flag/silo.
camping is overseeing the places people are about to spawn at, and killing them as they come into play.

But if i have a bad commander, and no support teammembers, and i'm out of ammo on all my weapons, should EA make me invunerable to gunfire until i get some more ammo or should there be a rule that people way not shoot me when i have a knife in my hand?
Because it would be unfair for me to do combat if i have the disadvantage of bad teamwork doesn't it?

O, and another rule, no claymores or waiting in the upper entrance of the Titan, because i can't see if the area is safe before i jump into the hole. O, and when the core is breached let's not open the rear entrance, so the defending team can rush in and swamp the coreroom and massacre everyone who tries to get in.
There was even someone who camplained about everyone spawning at the flag closesd to the uncap-base.
Where is it going to stop!!
lets overregulate the whole game, infact lets take out every element, give everyone a pistol with unlimited ammo and lets just shoot at eachother on an open field.

Come on!

JdeFalconr wrote What you WANT to do doesn't matter! You cannot, in fact, play however you want to, especially when violating EA's or a server's rules.
So what the otherone wants does count?! well just think of me as the ohterone then.

k30dxedle wrote a lot of things about the 'pro play-as-you-want' people. There will be people that use MSN language like '|337' or 'get off da srvr n00b', there will always be that kind of reactions. But don't let it blind you in the discussion. The 'play-by-the-rules' party just want rules and regulations for everything annoying that could happen to them. Soon enough you will be scoring points if you obey the rules instead of killing an enemy player.

On that thought, let's make medals and pins for that. A pin for playing five games without camping.
Or a medal for spawning at the furthest spawnpoint and running all the  #%&& way to the uncap-base without being shot by the recon sniper that crawls along the edge of the playingfield towards the the furthest flag to capture it (or would that be deemed illigal to? because then the enemy could spawn at to points and you have them in the front AND in the back, and that would be unfair).

Or let's stop whining, and play. Because if everybody starts to camp, there will be no fighting, and there will be no fun for EVERYONE, so it stops itself.
Hust look at the Titan. When the shields drop and everybody rushes towards the Titan to defend it, they eventually go back, if there's noone that attacks them.

Lets look at the definition of the word "game."

A competitive activity or sport in which players contend with each other according to a set of rules: the game of basketball; the game of gin rummy.

My question to you is; if you're camping some spawn like an asshat where's the competition?

A game means there's some sort of opposition. It's kinda hard to oppose someone when as soon as you gain control of your character (spawn) you die again.

And no, it's not what one person wants over everyone else. Like most rules and laws, it's what the majority wants. The majority of people want to actually be able to PLAY the game. It's kinda hard to play when I lose control of my character 0.00001 seconds after I gain control of it because some fucktard isn't good enough to play in a way that would challenge them.

Now before you say "why don't you spawn at some other spawn point noob!"

When I join a game I'll spawn at an uncap so I can figure out where the fighting is and where I'm needed and then head there.

Also if I know there are tanks, walkers, or other dangers at the other spawns I'm not going to spawn there. I'll just die 0.000001 seconds later anyways, and they have the right to be there. They are capping a spawn point.

It's kinda hard to cap an uncap, so what are you doing there? Blowing the commander assets? Kinda hard to do that with a support kit and a sentry gun. You're probably there for the easy kills because you can't do anything else. In which case it's not even a game to you. As a said a game means there's a challenge. If you think shooting fish in a barrel is challenging, then maybe you should be playing something a little less complicated. May I suggest "Duck Hunt" on NES.

I'm pretty sure that even in professional tournaments there's a rule against spawn camping. You're probably not allowed to do it, unless you've capped all the other flags.

Dex Luther wrote:

. As a said a game means there's a challenge. If you think shooting fish in a barrel is challenging, then maybe you should be playing something a little less complicated.

the challenge is for YOU to FIGHT BACK if you/your team sucks enough to get pushed that far, you deserve it.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

baserape, basecamp, spawnkill all you bloodywell want. if they are stupid enough to spawn there constantly, they deserve to die.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

k30dxedle wrote:

(Also, I suppose you take it perfectly fine when they camp your main? Not a chance, no matter what you make up.)

If you're good enough to get that far, then you deserve to rape my base. i won't be a pansy and disconnect, i'll fight back harder and harder until we lose, or we get a new flag.

its one reason for my shitty K/D ratio.

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

Dex Luther wrote:

. As a said a game means there's a challenge. If you think shooting fish in a barrel is challenging, then maybe you should be playing something a little less complicated.

the challenge is for YOU to FIGHT BACK if you/your team sucks enough to get pushed that far, you deserve it.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

its one reason for my shitty K/D ratio.

People get baseraped for a reason. Their team sucks. Dex luther should go out and like see the sun.

Actually I work outside all day (construction and yes I have a girlfriend... I know someone would probably bring that up next).

And when I say base rape I don't mean one team getting pushed back. That I agree. It's their own fault.

But there's people that will sit in an enemy uncap the whole round with either a sniper or support kit with a sentry gun and nothing else.

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

the challenge is for YOU to FIGHT BACK if you/your team sucks enough to get pushed that far, you deserve it.

I see. You're somehow supposed to fight back when 0.00001 seconds after spawning in an uncap you get either sniped, sentried, MG'd, or killed in some other way.

Again, don't get me wrong. If the other team sucked and got pushed back, then camp away. However, if there's other points to be capped, then you have no business camping an uncap.

EDIT: typo

Last edited by Dex Luther (2006-11-27 00:53:18)

Dex Luther wrote:

MrEzeuss wrote:

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Lets look at the definition of the word "game."

A competitive activity or sport in which players contend with each other according to a set of rules: the game of basketball; the game of gin rummy.

My question to you is; if you're camping some spawn like an asshat where's the competition?

A game means there's some sort of opposition. It's kinda hard to oppose someone when as soon as you gain control of your character (spawn) you die again.

And no, it's not what one person wants over everyone else. Like most rules and laws, it's what the majority wants. The majority of people want to actually be able to PLAY the game. It's kinda hard to play when I lose control of my character 0.00001 seconds after I gain control of it because some fucktard isn't good enough to play in a way that would challenge them.

Now before you say "why don't you spawn at some other spawn point noob!"

When I join a game I'll spawn at an uncap so I can figure out where the fighting is and where I'm needed and then head there.

Also if I know there are tanks, walkers, or other dangers at the other spawns I'm not going to spawn there. I'll just die 0.000001 seconds later anyways, and they have the right to be there. They are capping a spawn point.

It's kinda hard to cap an uncap, so what are you doing there? Blowing the commander assets? Kinda hard to do that with a support kit and a sentry gun. You're probably there for the easy kills because you can't do anything else. In which case it's not even a game to you. As a said a game means there's a challenge. If you think shooting fish in a barrel is challenging, then maybe you should be playing something a little less complicated. May I suggest "Duck Hunt" on NES.

I'm pretty sure that even in professional tournaments there's a rule against spawn camping. You're probably not allowed to do it, unless you've capped all the other flags.

Thanks for reminding me of the definition of the word "game".
Too many times i argued with a referee about this definition. When i was younger, i played 'handbal' (don't know what the translation would be, but it's like soccer but played with the hands instead)
When defending the goal i would often get the ball thrown in my face by the player of opposite team.
The referee would often give the ball to our team, and let us put it in play from the side, and sometimes the referee would judge it 'a bad shot' and let the game go on.
So if i would throw you off game by camping, it's a valid tactic. Even chessplayers are known for their offensive behaviour during a game.

Why would a player sacrifice the ball just to hit me in the face? Simple, to make me angry and let me make mistakes.
Because when i would have the ball, and had the chance, i would repay the favor. And i wouldn't be thinking about tactics and team-play, that was for sure.

Now back to spawn-killing. Do you know you have team-chat? Do you have a commander? are you one of the few that uses voice-chat?
sooooo, WHY DON'T YOU CALL FOR HELP!!
You need to rely on your team-members to clean up some shit now and then, so tell them.

Do you think at Omaha-beach in WWII the Allies cried to the great Admin in the sky that he had to ban the naughty Germans because they where camping! No. They devised a tactic, and they fought back.

Now (just like the last time i had this discussion) people will rush in and say this is just a game.
A) they are wrong, it's a WAR-game and
B) if it's just a game, why do you cry over it? it's just a 'game' (you said it yourself).

War is dirty, war is mean and has no rules, so don't spawn. Just don't. If the enemy is camping the last spawn-place, and they have to wait it out, they'll lose joy in no time. They will probably win the game, but not with a lot of points. You wont have any points eather, but you'll have the last laugh.
Another thing, spawn at the team-leader. If you are in a team with a team-leader that's dead, leave that team, and find another (this is something i thought off just now, so i don't know if this will actually work).

Then your remark about 'what the majority wants'. If camping is common, what do you think the majority wants?

And about me playing Duck hunt on the NES (you guessed right, i'm that old), let me state that i loath camping. I personally think campers should be tracked by their IP, and humiliated in the schoolyard for the little tossers they are.
How hard it is for me to get my points, i will never resort to camping as means of getting my rank up. But that's my personal feeling about it. And as you said it's what the majority wants, and i think they only want the freedom to play the game their way. So let them, and device your own tactic to repay the favor.

Last edited by MrEzeuss (2006-11-27 17:16:48)

Dex Luther wrote:

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

the challenge is for YOU to FIGHT BACK if you/your team sucks enough to get pushed that far, you deserve it.

I see. You're somehow supposed to fight back when 0.00001 seconds after spawning in an uncap you get either sniped, sentried, MG'd, or killed in some other way.

Again, don't get me wrong. If the other team sucked and got pushed back, then camp away. However, if there's other points to be capped, then you have no business camping an uncap.

EDIT: typo

if they are camping in that context, you must have another spawn point somewhere. spawn at one of those places, then hunt him down with a knife.

Void argument. People will still continue to play any game how they wish, regardless of whether they're consequently punished, ignored or rewarded for it.

Teamkillers are punished, but they will and do continue to teamkill - a perfect example.

The only sensible place for a teamkiller to go would be a TeamKillers Server. But then it wouldn't be fun for those simple minded folk, would it.

So yes, he, and everyone else, will play as THEY wish, until punished.

Jo Barf Creepy wrote:

ELITE-UK wrote:

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why is the battlefield community so ignorant compared to any other, its so anoying!

its a sodding game i paid for it i can do what i goddam like

if you cant read what i highlited its saying.... BANN CD KEY ELIT3 BASECAMPER

More playing, less whining. Don't like it? Don't play. Very simple.

Can't play if he keeps getting banned for nothing.

don't like the thread? don't post.

RicoAtPublix wrote:

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

k30dxedle wrote:

(Also, I suppose you take it perfectly fine when they camp your main? Not a chance, no matter what you make up.)

If you're good enough to get that far, then you deserve to rape my base. i won't be a pansy and disconnect, i'll fight back harder and harder until we lose, or we get a new flag.

Then you got the ones that even after you grab a point, like on Wake Island 07, and the commander is all like "WTF!!! SPAWN ON OUR FLAG!"

They continue to spawn on the carrer, and you lose the point.

Its those type of ppl we sould continue spawncamping

I agree!