BF2S Forums the poisoning of ex-spy alexander Litvenko- FSB, ex-KGB mob, other?

KGB/FSB - Same thing, different name. Still, it was them.

Revenge by the FSB for him leaving and spilling secrets and a warning for fellow members, if it was them what can the UK authorities do about it?

JahManRed wrote:

Putin's been wiping out anyone who apposes him in his own country. It wouldn't surprise me if this was his peoples work.........

Putin's a lovely fella......... we would be cold in Europe without him /sarcasm

I may be a little far fetched here but I wouldnt be surprised if Putin started another arms build up.

WilhelmSissener wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Putin's been wiping out anyone who apposes him in his own country. It wouldn't surprise me if this was his peoples work.........

Putin's a lovely fella......... we would be cold in Europe without him /sarcasm

I may be a little far fetched here but I wouldnt be surprised if Putin started another arms build up.

Well I would.

Everyone has opinions. Yours just always differ from mine hehe.

zimmer92 wrote:

WilhelmSissener wrote:

RicardoBlanco wrote:

KGB/FSB - Same thing, different name. Still, it was them.

I beg to differ. Although it by all means is a possibility I doubt they are behind the assassination. Of course you are now wondering why, the reason I think this is because I respect the KGB FSB. I believe that an organization so feared or acknowledged surely do train their agents to be better - or more efficient - at killing. It all just seems so little professional to me.

I disagree, the killing was quite profesional.
And I can picture it Putin saying
"Give him a long and painful death please"
And so the KGB/FSB did it.
If it was so unprofesional they would have found a hint as to who it was round about now. But have they? No, unless the MI5/6 are hiding something.
You have got to be very profesional to be able to administer Polonium into someones body/blood supply, and the KGB are renown for their specific methods of muerd/assasination.
KGB probably developed that type of poisoning.
Why do they need to be more efficient?
They probably knew that by the time Litvenko got to a hospoital to be treated, the damage would be too severe. The doctors did not even identify the substance unitl he was dead, yet again showing to the path of profesionalism.
And not all agents or missions are perfect, maybe they had to improvise as the first plan failed.

To be honest I think that it could have been more proffesional in another way; giving him a poison that resembled a heart attack. I just can't see why they would give him something easily classed as a poison, not leaving any doubt.

RicardoBlanco wrote:

WilhelmSissener wrote:

RicardoBlanco wrote:

KGB/FSB - Same thing, different name. Still, it was them.

I beg to differ. Although it by all means is a possibility I doubt they are behind the assassination. Of course you are now wondering why, the reason I think this is because I respect the KGB FSB. I believe that an organization so feared or acknowledged surely do train their agents to be better - or more efficient - at killing. It all just seems so little professional to me.

Err, they did kill the guy and no one's been arrested for it because nothing can be proven. Looks pretty professional to me.

Well, everything is turning to poison, my point is that it could have been covered up much better. Let's say a kidnapping followed by murder, do you think people would still be thinking that the FSB did it. Probably yes, but there would be some doubt, having it not been official, just like the guy from the mafia that is most likely killed and dumped in the meadow-lands, no one knows for sure.

Well, I just saw on the news that he dictated a letter to Putin before he died. In my opinion that just strengthens my argument.

ok, I am going to weigh into my own debate here ( by the way, thank you everyone for staying civil on what is a currently very controversial issue). I believe it was part of the Russian secret service, but not necessarily FSB.the reason- the assassin(s) used a radioactive substance. more specifically, one that as far as I know, is VERY hard tog et hold of.more, they used a radioactive substance that would be forced by the guy's own skin to stay in his body. that kind of professionalism and access to material only comes from national governments these days. and the Kremlin dismissing the issue just makes me more convinced. note that despite it being brought up, and him being from Russia, Putin hasn't offered condolences? Blair might not have either, but arguably that could well be in case he is seen to prejudice the Scotland yard investigation. he was investigating the death of a journalist, he was a Putin critic, it is just too convenient for Putin. and as for what the UK can do- everything. Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia for the murder of archduke Franz Ferdinand ( i think) triggering of WW1. and that was by someone outside Serbian control. if Putin has persobnally ordered the assasination of a UK citizen, it is tantamount to an act of war.

samfink wrote:

ok, I am going to weigh into my own debate here ( by the way, thank you everyone for staying civil on what is a currently very controversial issue). I believe it was part of the Russian secret service, but not necessarily FSB.the reason- the assassin(s) used a radioactive substance. more specifically, one that as far as I know, is VERY hard tog et hold of.more, they used a radioactive substance that would be forced by the guy's own skin to stay in his body. that kind of professionalism and access to material only comes from national governments these days. and the Kremlin dismissing the issue just makes me more convinced. note that despite it being brought up, and him being from Russia, Putin hasn't offered condolences? Blair might not have either, but arguably that could well be in case he is seen to prejudice the Scotland yard investigation. he was investigating the death of a journalist, he was a Putin critic, it is just too convenient for Putin. and as for what the UK can do- everything. Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia for the murder of archduke Franz Ferdinand ( i think) triggering of WW1. and that was by someone outside Serbian control. if Putin has persobnally ordered the assasination of a UK citizen, it is tantamount to an act of war.

Never really thought of it that way, but that happened many times during the Cold War and even after the Cold War. I dont see any reason for them to make a big thing about it now, except for that fact that Russia is being a dick with its gas supplies right now towards the EU.

Maybe it's not russia at all, but the same supervillian with the high tech lab used to make the shit for the unsolved anthrax attacks...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

Commie Killer wrote:

samfink wrote:

ok, I am going to weigh into my own debate here ( by the way, thank you everyone for staying civil on what is a currently very controversial issue). I believe it was part of the Russian secret service, but not necessarily FSB.the reason- the assassin(s) used a radioactive substance. more specifically, one that as far as I know, is VERY hard tog et hold of.more, they used a radioactive substance that would be forced by the guy's own skin to stay in his body. that kind of professionalism and access to material only comes from national governments these days. and the Kremlin dismissing the issue just makes me more convinced. note that despite it being brought up, and him being from Russia, Putin hasn't offered condolences? Blair might not have either, but arguably that could well be in case he is seen to prejudice the Scotland yard investigation. he was investigating the death of a journalist, he was a Putin critic, it is just too convenient for Putin. and as for what the UK can do- everything. Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia for the murder of archduke Franz Ferdinand ( i think) triggering of WW1. and that was by someone outside Serbian control. if Putin has persobnally ordered the assasination of a UK citizen, it is tantamount to an act of war.

Never really thought of it that way, but that happened many times during the Cold War and even after the Cold War. I dont see any reason for them to make a big thing about it now, except for that fact that Russia is being a dick with its gas supplies right now towards the EU.

we were not strong enough to risk nuclear war over incidents during the cold war. now, we are much stronger and Russia considerably weaker 9 not to mention the fact that the risk of nuclear war has diminished greatly). realistically, especially as it could cause a public health alert, then if this is the work of the Russian government, then the Blair government is going to be FURIOUS. indeed, I would not be surprised if the Conservatives issued a statement of condemnation if it turns out Russia is involved in this.  what has changed: during the cold war, it was less obvious and it was mostly substances that didn't cause a major potential public health crisis also, remember you really need a nuclear reactor to produce plutonium-210, and they had enough knowledge to know to use something that emitted alpha radiation.conclusion= only Russia kills like that. and it also means it is unlikely to be an ex-KGB mob member, as they don't have access to plutonium-210. and why are newspapers saying it might be suicide? if he wanted to off himself, wouldn't he use soemthing that caused a quick death?