Like with flag burning, no matter how much I disagree with what people do, I can't do anything about it legally. I do wonder, though, why someone in my town (in northern Indiana) is flying a CSA flag.Wiki wrote:
The United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the flag of the United States. It is Section 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. § 1 et seq). This is a U.S. federal law, but there is no penalty for failure to comply with them and they are not widely enforced — indeed, punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, as the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled when the subject has come up in the past.
Alright, I'll give you that. lolBertster7 wrote:
Nope. It isn't. It's a stimulant to the economy. How would the Daily Express survive......Turquoise wrote:
A flag is just a symbol. So is a figurehead monarchy.Bertster7 wrote:
How does that compare?
I can't see any parallels there. They are both cultural traditions, but that's pretty much where the similarities end.
Ok... if we didn't have a flag, we'd still need some sort of symbol to identify us with. How about a dollar sign?Bertster7 wrote:
I wouldn't say that. Without a flag the US would be a laughing stock.Turquoise wrote:
Rationally speaking, no one needs either. America could perfectly function without a flag, just like the U.K. could without a monarchy.
I'm a little confused here. You're agreeing that it's the same principle, but a different one.... Ok, so, you're saying that we both humor them? (btw, good call on the made in China part... lol)Bertster7 wrote:
Who's irrationally sensitive about what now? I quite like the concept of the royal family and all the ceremony that goes with it. At the same time I recognise them for what they are, a bunch of inbred German weirdos with no grasp of reality.Turquoise wrote:
We're irrationally sensitive about our flag, you're irrationally sensitive about the monarchy.
It's very much the same principle.
I assume the same is true of (rational) Americans with the flag, they like what it represents and the associated tradition, but can see that it's really just a bit of printed fabric, probably made in China.
I'd say that's the same principle.
Because in America, most of us have enough patriotism to believe we want our flag above others on our territory.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Wait, you can't have it equal either? So I'm guessing all times you see a US Flag flying next to another Flag (In the U.S) it's illegal? I understand why you wouldn't want a flag to be flown above it, or in a "dominant" manner, but I'd say if it was equal that would be pretty ok.US&A wrote:
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Although I'm not sure if the UN Headquarters is actually property of the U.S and under U.S jurisdiction
Nifty fact though, the Texas flag can be flown at the same height as the American flag because we were once our own country.
Don't know what else needs to be said...that sentencing is absurd.
I'm trying to say that despite the massive differences in most aspects, the fact that rational people usually have little difficulty in separating the ideas behind the symbols from the imperfect symbols themselves is the important thing here. A symbol is just a symbol and it is the spirit of the thing that matters.Turquoise wrote:
I'm a little confused here. You're agreeing that it's the same principle, but a different one.... Ok, so, you're saying that we both humor them? (btw, good call on the made in China part... lol)Bertster7 wrote:
Who's irrationally sensitive about what now? I quite like the concept of the royal family and all the ceremony that goes with it. At the same time I recognise them for what they are, a bunch of inbred German weirdos with no grasp of reality.
I assume the same is true of (rational) Americans with the flag, they like what it represents and the associated tradition, but can see that it's really just a bit of printed fabric, probably made in China.
I'd say that's the same principle.
I suppose... perhaps we could agree that things like flags and figureheads are mnemonic devices for the ideals we purport to believe in.
I support people giving the person who flew that flag a beating and a ban on the UNM.
This is America, if you don't like it stay the fuck out.
This is America, if you don't like it stay the fuck out.
On what absurd law did this guy get convicted? I don't understand.
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the destruction of property ........ he tore up the flagCameronPoe wrote:
On what absurd law did this guy get convicted? I don't understand.
Whoever rose that Mexican flag should be lined up and shot. The jury who found that man guilty should be next in line.
It's International Terratory, i had to show my passport when i went in that there.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Wait, you can't have it equal either? So I'm guessing all times you see a US Flag flying next to another Flag (In the U.S) it's illegal? I understand why you wouldn't want a flag to be flown above it, or in a "dominant" manner, but I'd say if it was equal that would be pretty ok.US&A wrote:
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Although I'm not sure if the UN Headquarters is actually property of the U.S and under U.S jurisdiction
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Is it the flag of the CSADesertFox- wrote:
Like with flag burning, no matter how much I disagree with what people do, I can't do anything about it legally. I do wonder, though, why someone in my town (in northern Indiana) is flying a CSA flag.Wiki wrote:
The United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the flag of the United States. It is Section 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. § 1 et seq). This is a U.S. federal law, but there is no penalty for failure to comply with them and they are not widely enforced — indeed, punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, as the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled when the subject has come up in the past.
or the CSA battle flag?
It would make a difference (national flag vs. functional flag) if one tried to apply the law in question here.
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And it is that giving a shit about it, as a nation, that makes Americans seem quite insecure proud.Bertster7 wrote:
And it is that giving a shit about it, as a nation, that makes Americans seem quite insecure.Turquoise wrote:
Bertster, take note of Braddock's post. This is what we're talking about. Different nations handle flags differently. America is very sensitive about its flag and always will be. It's a cultural thing.Braddock wrote:
Absolutely ridiculous...I can tell you a British flag flown higher than the Irish flag here would not be there long before meeting a similar fate.
I personally don't give a shit, but I can easily see why others do.
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Could be just a guess on that one, but when we did joint ceremonies with foreign units when I was in the Army, we always made sure our poles were just an inch or two longer than the other guys. Same thing when displaying cross-flags with the US and state flags in some displays. It doesn't need to be perceptably "higher" than the others to fit the rule, just a fraction of an inch will do.FatherTed wrote:
It's International Terratory, i had to show my passport when i went in that there.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Wait, you can't have it equal either? So I'm guessing all times you see a US Flag flying next to another Flag (In the U.S) it's illegal? I understand why you wouldn't want a flag to be flown above it, or in a "dominant" manner, but I'd say if it was equal that would be pretty ok.US&A wrote:
equal
http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=93331&rendTypeId=4
Although I'm not sure if the UN Headquarters is actually property of the U.S and under U.S jurisdiction
Pretty childish if you ask me...
Everything you ever wanted to know about the US Flag code in an easy to comprehend format.
Oh and to make FM angry...The US Flag Code wrote:
7c. starts, "No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America..."
7c. later on reads (emphasis ours), "No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof..."[/url]
Is Texas's the only state flag allowed to fly at the same height as the US flag?
No, this is an urban legend. All state flags may fly at the same height as the U.S. flag. The U.S. flag must be on its right (the viewer's left), however. Texas's laws are consistent with those of the other states.
fucking lies.Major.League.Infidel wrote:
Oh and to make FM angry...Is Texas's the only state flag allowed to fly at the same height as the US flag?
No, this is an urban legend. All state flags may fly at the same height as the U.S. flag. The U.S. flag must be on its right (the viewer's left), however. Texas's laws are consistent with those of the other states.
Boy Scouts lied to me.
If it he'd ripped up a US flag in protest of the US flag they'd say it's protected free speech ....SEREMAKER wrote:
wow .................... lost for words on that one, I wonder if he would have stilh have been found guilty if he didn't tear their flag
http://www.uh.edu/~dsocs3/images/American_Flag_2.jpg
This is a load of shit, and you can thank your bleeding heart liberal friends for their insistence on being an obstacle on any sort of legislation preventing this outcry.
It's worse the judge and jury convicted him. They should all be shot for being absolute retards.
It's worse the judge and jury convicted him. They should all be shot for being absolute retards.
Always the 'librulz'. You're like a broken fucking record. lulzStingray24 wrote:
If it he'd ripped up a US flag in protest of the US flag they'd say it's protected free speech ....SEREMAKER wrote:
wow .................... lost for words on that one, I wonder if he would have stilh have been found guilty if he didn't tear their flag
http://www.uh.edu/~dsocs3/images/American_Flag_2.jpg
You mean it is the conservative that want to see this guy punished?? I do not think so Cam.CameronPoe wrote:
Always the 'librulz'. You're like a broken fucking record. lulzStingray24 wrote:
If it he'd ripped up a US flag in protest of the US flag they'd say it's protected free speech ....SEREMAKER wrote:
wow .................... lost for words on that one, I wonder if he would have stilh have been found guilty if he didn't tear their flag
http://www.uh.edu/~dsocs3/images/American_Flag_2.jpg
I think it might have something to do with your legal system... and the whole destruction of property law....lowing wrote:
You mean it is the conservative that want to see this guy punished?? I do not think so Cam.
I didn't say liberals, you did.CameronPoe wrote:
Always the 'librulz'. You're like a broken fucking record. lulzStingray24 wrote:
If it he'd ripped up a US flag in protest of the US flag they'd say it's protected free speech ....SEREMAKER wrote:
wow .................... lost for words on that one, I wonder if he would have stilh have been found guilty if he didn't tear their flag
http://www.uh.edu/~dsocs3/images/American_Flag_2.jpg
No sorry - that was aimed at the other post. The one by The_Mac. Fuckup on my part. No offence intended.Stingray24 wrote:
I didn't say liberals, you did.CameronPoe wrote:
Always the 'librulz'. You're like a broken fucking record. lulzStingray24 wrote:
If it he'd ripped up a US flag in protest of the US flag they'd say it's protected free speech ....
Yeah just like the city of SF wanting to deny the Marines from recruiting, it was a legal thing and had nothing to do with being city full of liberal apologists.CameronPoe wrote:
I think it might have something to do with your legal system... and the whole destruction of property law....lowing wrote:
You mean it is the conservative that want to see this guy punished?? I do not think so Cam.
What on earth has that got to do with this. Also, I would be what you would regard as a liberal and I think the SF thing you just mentioned is completely retarded.lowing wrote:
Yeah just like the city of SF wanting to deny the Marines from recruiting, it was a legal thing and had nothing to do with being city full of liberal apologists.CameronPoe wrote:
I think it might have something to do with your legal system... and the whole destruction of property law....lowing wrote:
You mean it is the conservative that want to see this guy punished?? I do not think so Cam.