Should the state be able to prevent people from reproducing?

2008-04-08 16:25:59

#1

HurricaИe: Banned; +877|5963|Washington DC

They say anger, hatred etc. breeds more anger and hatred. Should murderers be given the chance to reproduce? Should rapists be given the chance to reproduce? Should little shits like these: http://www.wftv.com/news/15817394/detail.html (and that's tame compared to other shit I've seen, e.g. chav attacks in the UK or that incident in Baltimore where some woman was beaten up because she sat in the back of the bus) be allowed to reproduce?

I mean fuck, these people have obviously shown no ability to withhold themselves and be responsible. Why should we gamble with a child's life and let them be parented by someone like a rapist? They've already proven to be threats to society... why let them even have the possible chance of harming their own kid?

2008-04-08 16:29:15

#2

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6557

Only Muslim people.

2008-04-08 16:47:30

#3

IRONCHEF: Member; +385|6493|Northern California

Who is "they" that say such traits transfer to offspring? If Hitler had a child, and never got to raise that child, is it your opinion (or anyone's) that the child will do the same things?

Answer those questions, if possible, then you'd have a slight basis for suggesting such an archaic, evil notion of limiting reproduction as warranting realistic discussion. As it is, this is about as reality-based of a topic as preventing people from procreating due to DNA testing showing someone may come out left handed, or might have tooth decay in their later life and therefore not be desirable. lol

2008-04-08 16:52:25

#4

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6709|67.222.138.85

CameronPoe wrote:
Only Muslim people.

Really necessary?

Moot point, they should be shot anyways. Anyone that doesn't deserve to reproduce doesn't deserve to live.

2008-04-08 16:57:18

#5

Ganko_06: Laughter with an S; +167|6647|Camoran's Paradise

With the help of the Combine we can stop these kind of people from procreating!

Seriously though: Something like that is too gray and violates too many human rights. I've seen some the most despicable people mature and become pretty good parents. Maybe they will too...maybe. But who's to decide who is 'worthy' of having children?

2008-04-08 17:22:35

#6

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6531|Global Command

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
Only Muslim people.
Really necessary?

Moot point, they should be shot anyways. Anyone that doesn't deserve to reproduce doesn't deserve to live.

2008-04-08 18:29:14

#7

13rin: Member; +977|6481

CameronPoe wrote:
Only Muslim people.

And NeoCons

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2008-04-08 18:39:28

#8

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6407|North Carolina

I have no problem with keeping felons and those with extreme genetic disorders or extreme diseases that could be passed down to offspring from procreating.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-04-08 18:40:12)

2008-04-08 19:36:32

#9

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6539|Long Island, New York

Ganko_06 wrote:
With the help of the Combine we can stop these kind of people from procreating!

I was just thinking that, actually. Gordon and Alyx plz

I say no. Just incarcerate them.

2008-04-08 19:53:00

#10

Doctor Strangelove: Real Battlefield Veterinarian.; +1,758|6470

IRONCHEF wrote:
If Hitler had a child, and never got to raise that child, is it your opinion (or anyone's) that the child will do the same things?l

Dude, Hitler was gay. Really, really gay.

2008-04-08 20:00:32

#11

CloakedStarship: Member; +76|6567

The lady detective on Law & Order SVU was a rape child, and she turned out fine.

I think thats all the evidence we need.

2008-04-08 20:17:13

#12

firebomb1280: Member; +1|6403|San Francisco

The state controlling reproduction? Sounds an awful lot like 1984.

2008-04-08 20:18:46

#13

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6709|67.222.138.85

firebomb1280 wrote:
The state controlling reproduction? Sounds an awful lot like 1984.

I prefer to think of it as lifeguards of the gene-pool. Just there to make sure nothing really crazy goes on.

2008-04-08 20:19:06

#14

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6132|North Tonawanda, NY

The state should never have such a power. Ever.

2008-04-08 20:24:46

#15

firebomb1280: Member; +1|6403|San Francisco

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
firebomb1280 wrote:
The state controlling reproduction? Sounds an awful lot like 1984.
I prefer to think of it as lifeguards of the gene-pool. Just there to make sure nothing really crazy goes on.

But who is the government to say which genes are preferable?

2008-04-08 20:26:45

#16

Yellowman03: Once Again, We Meet at Last; +108|6237|Texas

firebomb1280 wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
firebomb1280 wrote:
The state controlling reproduction? Sounds an awful lot like 1984.
I prefer to think of it as lifeguards of the gene-pool. Just there to make sure nothing really crazy goes on.
But who is the government to say which genes are preferable?

we already know the genes that are preferable/ideal.

2008-04-08 20:32:44

#17

firebomb1280: Member; +1|6403|San Francisco

Yellowman03 wrote:
firebomb1280 wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I prefer to think of it as lifeguards of the gene-pool. Just there to make sure nothing really crazy goes on.
But who is the government to say which genes are preferable?
we already know the genes that are preferable/ideal.

As did the Nazis. The point is, controlling reproduction never has worked and never will.

2008-04-08 20:36:24

#18

Yellowman03: Once Again, We Meet at Last; +108|6237|Texas

firebomb1280 wrote:
Yellowman03 wrote:
firebomb1280 wrote:

But who is the government to say which genes are preferable?
we already know the genes that are preferable/ideal.
As did the Nazis. The point is, controlling reproduction never has worked and never will.

the nazis didn't have the human genome project
it doesn't work in large populations, but it can work in smaller countries where government control is more direct

2008-04-08 20:36:41

#19

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6709|67.222.138.85

firebomb1280 wrote:
Yellowman03 wrote:
firebomb1280 wrote:

But who is the government to say which genes are preferable?
we already know the genes that are preferable/ideal.
As did the Nazis. The point is, controlling reproduction never has worked and never will.

Lies. They only knew the physical attributes, we're narrowing it down to a genetic level.

To your second statement...never say never _/cackle

2008-04-08 20:37:53

#20

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6132|North Tonawanda, NY

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
To your second statement...never say never _/cackle

So never say that these people can never breed.

2008-04-08 20:40:48

#21

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6709|67.222.138.85

SenorToenails wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
To your second statement...never say never _/cackle
So never say that these people can never breed.

What? He said controlling reproduction can and will never happen...I say it will happen well within the next 100 years to a very significant extent. The scientific jumps and moral steps backwards are too great to warrant anything else.

edit: oh you're trying to stay on topic or something, geez.

No matter what definition the state sets of "genetic competence" there will be people breeding out of regulation. Doesn't mean a law or procedure won't be made.

2008-04-08 20:52:44

#22

firebomb1280: Member; +1|6403|San Francisco

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
we're narrowing it down to a genetic level.

I was under the impression that we were dealing with acquired traits (ie: language, reading, skills) rather than genetic traits (hair color, height, skin color). Controlling genetic traits is wrong, as well as being the dreamchild of such psychotic leaders as Hitler and Stalin. However, what I was trying to say is that controlling acquired traits is very possible.

Plus, a lot of psychotic criminals are the way they are because of what they learned, or acquired, while they were children.

2008-04-08 20:55:32

#23

HurricaИe: Banned; +877|5963|Washington DC

...who started talking about genes here? My idea is this: would you let the honest, straight-A, community-service doing, helps old ladies cross the street high school student babysit your kid? Or would you let the serial killer babysit your kid?

2008-04-08 20:56:42

#24

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6709|67.222.138.85

HurricaИe wrote:
...who started talking about genes here? My idea is this: would you let the honest, straight-A, community-service doing, helps old ladies cross the street high school student babysit your kid? Or would you let the serial killer babysit your kid?

You said reproduce. That means make babies. That means genetics, not environment.

2008-04-08 20:57:48

#25

HurricaИe: Banned; +877|5963|Washington DC

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
HurricaИe wrote:
...who started talking about genes here? My idea is this: would you let the honest, straight-A, community-service doing, helps old ladies cross the street high school student babysit your kid? Or would you let the serial killer babysit your kid?
You said reproduce. That means make babies. That means genetics, not environment.

Okay? Suddenly someone started talking about changing people's genes and shit.

I'm just saying that serial killers, rapists, child abusers etc shouldn't be allowed to have kids. Because quite frankly I would not trust a young child with the dregs of society.

edit: I don't mean prevent them from reproducing as in genetically altering them so they cannot reproduce. I mean just not allowing them to have kids.

Last edited by HurricaИe (2008-04-08 20:58:48)

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