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The Assault on Free Markets

Peter Schiff
Apr 4, 2008

Those blindsided by the recent financial meltdown are now loudly blaming the free market for its failure to police its own excesses, and are calling for greater regulation to prevent future disasters. But for those who clearly observed the problems developing (in high definition slow motion) the blame can be directed squarely at the policies of the Greenspan/Bernanke Federal Reserve. As has been the case countless times in history, the free market will now pay the price for government incompetence.

In Senate hearings this week, all parties involved completely ignored the Fed's own culpability in igniting the speculative fever. It's as if a senior prom had turned into a wild bacchanalia, and angry parents now question why the chaperones failed to notice the disrobing or why the DJ played provocative music, all the while ignoring the bearded gentleman pouring grain alcohol into the punch bowl.

A perfect illustration of the Fed's failure to take responsibility can be found in Bernanke's explanations regarding inflation, which he solely attributes to the effects of the rapid increase in global commodity prices. He failed to mention that commodity prices are rising as a direct consequence of his monetary policy, which is debasing not just the U.S. dollar, but currencies around the world. Rather than accepting the blame for creating inflation, Bernanke is shifting the blame to the free market. The Senators are happy to let him get away with it as it provides more evidence to support the "need " for more government to save the economy from the disastrous effects of unbridled capitalism.

When asked how we got into this mess, Bernanke replied that our problems resulted from an excessive credit bubble characterized by aggressive leverage, reckless lending, and extreme risk taking. Absent from his explanation was the Fed's role in irresponsibly setting interest rates below market levels, which mispriced risk, got the party started and kept it raging into the wee hours of the morning. The expressed goal of the Fed for much of this decade was, and is, to encourage and facilitate borrowing and lending.

During his testimony, Bernanke continued to claim that Bear Steams was not bailed out as shareholders only received about $10 per share. Of course, $10 is better than zero, which is what they surely would have received if the Fed hadn't thrown taxpayer money around. What about Bear's creditors though? Although the collapse of Bear Stearns would have cost bond holders dearly, the bailout essentially makes them whole. Here again, the Fed creates even greater moral hazards by encouraging excessive risk taking. By bailing out lenders who extend excessive credit, the Fed simply invites more of that behavior. The free market must be allowed to properly price risk. Lenders need to know that when they lend money, whether to highly leveraged investment banks and hedge funds, or to over-stretched homebuyers or credit card users, they risk not getting paid back. By interfering with this process the Fed simply guarantees more losses and even bigger bailouts in the future.

Also, leveraged speculators need to know that it is not "heads they win, tails the taxpayers lose". Wall Street executives amassed fortunes by making extremely risky bets. Now that those bets have soured, why is it taxpayers that have to swallow the losses? Wall Street billionaires earn their bucks on the backs of the middle class, who made little on the way up, but foot the entire bill on the way down.

While Bernanke talked about the underlying strength of our economy, he claimed necessity in saving Bear Stearns from bankruptcy as it would have brought down our entire financial system. How sound can our economy be if the failure of one investment bank could topple it? Does this now mean that no more major banks or brokerage firms will be allowed to fail? Since we routinely accused Japan of practicing "crony capitalism" what do you suppose we should call our version?

Not to be outdone in rewarding reckless behavior, earlier in the week Congress passed $15 billion in tax breaks for homebuilders, who had made their fortunes overbuilding during the bubble and unloading their shares to a gullible public. By threatening to hold back on their political contributions, these same homebuilders are awarded still more billions. The last ones we should be subsidizing are homebuilders. After all, the last thing we need right now is more homes.

The legislation also contained a provision that offers generous tax credits to individuals who buy homes out of foreclosure. While this is billed as a benefit to homebuyers, it is just another hand out to lenders, as those qualifying for the tax breaks will simply pay more at auctions as the tax breaks subsidize higher bids. The real winners are the creditors who get more in foreclosure than would have been the case had buyers not had their bids subsidized by the government.

Of course, for all the talk about taxpayer bailouts, none of the senators bothered to mention that, for the moment, no tax increases are actually on the table. Instead, the bailouts are being financed by savers, pensioners, wage earners, investors and the elderly on fixed incomes, who all suffer staggering increases in their costs of living, as the Fed uses inflation to rob Main Street to pay off Wall Street.

Source.

One definition of insanity: repeating the same thing expecting different results. So since obviously government is failing us, it needs to be bigger right? And what then when it fails, more government? Give the Fed more power, something that takes it's marching orders from private banks and not Congress (although they would like you to believe that), and are the culprits responsible for this mess we are in. [sarcasm]Makes absolute logical sense.[/sarcasm]

We don't have free markets in this country, we have mercantilism, but will be a more centrally planned economy verging on socialism as this crisis unfolds. This is not the America our founding fathers intended. Our system won't lead to prosperity. Maybe a false prosperity as we see today, but not true prosperity and will only create a wider gap between the working man, and the fat cats on wall street.

I won't argue about Islam being a threat, but our downfall will start within, not from terrorists. Let's just hand over more power to the government, and let everyone who pulls the strings get a few more toys for their bidding. And they will continue to tell you everything is fine, namely through the media which seems to be very effective. The change people want to hear is different from the change people need to hear.

You have been warned.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6412|North Carolina
All I can say is...  That's a damn good post.  I really wish the people running our government saw things the same way, but they obviously don't.

Again, it's so true that financial irresponsibility is the greatest threat to us as a nation -- not terrorism.
Phrozenbot
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They would have to if we were on a gold standard.

The powers that be will continue to be so, as long as no one wants to abolish the Fed and create some serious reform. But is it no coincidence the dollar has lost over 95% of it's value since the Fed was initiated in 1913? I can't believe Americans won't believe something so simple; that the Fed is responsible for our mess. It's easy to believe Islamofascists hate us because of the way we live, but not this? Like the good books says, you reap what you sow.

I think I'll vote for Obama just to spite him.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6191|Ireland

Turquoise wrote:

All I can say is...  That's a damn good post.  I really wish the people running our government saw things the same way, but they obviously don't.

Again, it's so true that financial irresponsibility is the greatest threat to us as a nation -- not terrorism.
I agree with you that this is an excellent thread, don't know why nobody is reading it but hey. 

I do disagree with you that it is a bigger threat than terrorism because I lost my job, my investments, and was stranded 900 miles from home with no flight after 9-11.  Just wait till the Muslims nuke us, that will be the end and everyone knows it's coming just like they knew that buildings being blown up and airplanes being hijacked were coming.

But back to the OP, this is the same thing that happened in the early '80.  I remember my father ranting about how Ford will never be elected because he spoke the truth that we had a runaway economy that needed shut down before it implodes.  Carter was elected and the housing market kept booming until..... POP!  Obviously people don't like to hear the truth and people who speak it become unpopular very quickly (Ron Paul) because it encroaches on the blissfully ignorant person's comfort zone.

My kids will have nothing.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6536|Global Command
I have long maintained that most public crysises are creations of the government to justify its increasing size and budget.

They have a long term goal.


The question is, are Americans willing to fight again, as our forefathers did 231 years ago?
I am.



The system we live in was created to allow individual freedom.
The system exists now to profit on that. To exploit it. To ultimately curtail it.



For what?
A group of elites.





I'm telling you.
http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2074
http://www.foundingfathers.info/documents/decindep.html
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It is time once again to define our nation.

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Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6191|Ireland
You are scarring me Yerded.

It is not time, and you shouldn't talk like that around kids on this forum.

Last edited by Lotta_Drool (2008-04-05 18:00:07)

ATG
Banned
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So we sit around crying about for naught then?
Let our children have nothing but debt?






k
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6191|Ireland
Timmothy McViegh was an Asshat.
ATG
Banned
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

Timmothy McViegh was an Asshat.
Horseshit.


What did the courts do about that particular situation that he was upset about?

Nothing.


See my sig.
HurricaИe
Banned
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

Timmothy McViegh was an Asshat.
big difference between blowing up a federal building (that has a god damned daycare in it) and a 'revolution'.

To me a revolution would be people refusing to put up with the politicians' shit. Protesting at Congress, not being afraid to storm in and plaster the building with fliers of what they're pissed about. And if it comes to it, a sort of coup.

Not killing innocent people.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

You are scarring me Yerded.

It is not time, and you shouldn't talk like that around kids on this forum.
You're right, we can't let the kids hear about what we're doing to their world until we give it to them. Don't be putting ideas in their head about having a say in how their government acts, that might breed social responsibility.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6191|Ireland
What the fuck are you talking about?  You are justifying killing Americans and American Children because of Waco.  You have really fucking lost it.  Are you really drunk or something? 


btw your sig states the obvious, McViegh lost his life and future.  You have much more to lose and end up losing for your kids.

Go to Disneyland, you will feel better.  You are dwelling on the negative.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
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HurricaИe wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Timmothy McViegh was an Asshat.
big difference between blowing up a federal building (that has a god damned daycare in it) and a 'revolution'.

To me a revolution would be people refusing to put up with the politicians' shit. Protesting at Congress, not being afraid to storm in and plaster the building with fliers of what they're pissed about. And if it comes to it, a sort of coup.

Not killing innocent people.
What the fuck do you know about Revolution?  Read a damn book, look around you, there is no such thing as a warm happy fuzzy revolution.

People throw shit around here not realising that some people reading are morons.  Stay real for a moment.
ATG
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HurricaИe wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Timmothy McViegh was an Asshat.
big difference between blowing up a federal building (that has a god damned daycare in it) and a 'revolution'.

To me a revolution would be people refusing to put up with the politicians' shit. Protesting at Congress, not being afraid to storm in and plaster the building with fliers of what they're pissed about. And if it comes to it, a sort of coup.

Not killing innocent people.
He made aware, tens of thousands of people, to the gross annhiliation of justice that happened in Waco.

The murder, the destruction of evidence, the harsh prison time for the survivors.


Jesus Christ man, do not sing the Federal tune when it comes to the Branch Davidians, I will never forgive you.



Sorry, I know it's hard to deal with. It may get me banned for saying it; Timothy McVeigh was a patriot.











I have debated this issue on talk radio, in studio here.

I know the history, the facts and the conspiracies.

I stand by what I said.
HurricaИe
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Timmothy McViegh was an Asshat.
big difference between blowing up a federal building (that has a god damned daycare in it) and a 'revolution'.

To me a revolution would be people refusing to put up with the politicians' shit. Protesting at Congress, not being afraid to storm in and plaster the building with fliers of what they're pissed about. And if it comes to it, a sort of coup.

Not killing innocent people.
What the fuck do you know about Revolution?  Read a damn book, look around you, there is no such thing as a warm happy fuzzy revolution.

People throw shit around here not realising that some people reading are morons.  Stay real for a moment.
Calm down chief. I'm trying to be idealistic here.


Realistically I know Americans will continue to be complacent. We're too damn lazy to do anything about our government.
ATG
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this post copyright of hurricane
Lotta_Drool
Spit
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ATG wrote:

Sorry, I know it's hard to deal with. It may get me banned for saying it; Timothy McVeigh was a patriot.
Timothy McVeigh was a child killer antiAmerican fuck nugget abortion of a human being.  for you to spout that shit you must have no fucking soul.  He did nothing, everyone knew about waco for what it was.  it was on the fucking t.v. over and over and everyone knew the government killed those people. 

For you to say David K. wasn't a fucking criminal along with all the people in the compound that killed those kids show how little of a thought process you have.  THEY WERE ALL FUCKING WRONG!!!  ATF, Military, Clinton, David K., His followers, And above all Timothy McVeigh.


The kids and federal workers killed by the Government and McVeigh were the victims. 

You can go to hell for what you say.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6536|Global Command
Okay, whatever.

Keep excusing the murder of 130 men, women and children in Waco by your government.



NOBODY that thinks like I do is simple enough to applaud the deaths of children in day care centers, I hope.

It's unfortunate that so many, like you Spit, seem to be too simple to look beyond the headlines and see the princible behind a hard, fucked up action.



2/3 of the American people rejected the violence of the 1st American revolution.

Until we were winning.





See you when you jump on the bandwagon, or in hell, whichever comes first.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6191|Ireland

ATG wrote:

Okay, whatever.

Keep excusing the murder of 130 men, women and children in Waco by your government.



NOBODY that thinks like I do is simple enough to applaud the deaths of children in day care centers, I hope.

It's unfortunate that so many, like you Spit, seem to be too simple to look beyond the headlines and see the princible behind a hard, fucked up action.



2/3 of the American people rejected the violence of the 1st American revolution.

Until we were winning.





See you when you jump on the bandwagon, or in hell, whichever comes first.
I hope you get taken out before you hurt someone.
ATG
Banned
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

ATG wrote:

Okay, whatever.

Keep excusing the murder of 130 men, women and children in Waco by your government.



NOBODY that thinks like I do is simple enough to applaud the deaths of children in day care centers, I hope.

It's unfortunate that so many, like you Spit, seem to be too simple to look beyond the headlines and see the princible behind a hard, fucked up action.



2/3 of the American people rejected the violence of the 1st American revolution.

Until we were winning.





See you when you jump on the bandwagon, or in hell, whichever comes first.
I hope you get taken out before you hurt someone.
Noted.
My wife and children appreciate the sentiment, I'm sure.

Hope you get your place in line for food stamps.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6682|Canberra, AUS
I reckon your political system needs to encourage more partisan behaviour. Good results often come when both parties are trying to go for the neck. (joking slightly... only slightly)

I hope you get taken out before you hurt someone.
Good to see you appreciate opposing viewpoints

But yes, I think the country needs something to focus on. Identify the problem, show it to the world, identify a solution. Add, rinse, repeat.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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ron paul will save us!
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6412|North Carolina

Lotta_Drool wrote:

ATG wrote:

Sorry, I know it's hard to deal with. It may get me banned for saying it; Timothy McVeigh was a patriot.
Timothy McVeigh was a child killer antiAmerican fuck nugget abortion of a human being.  for you to spout that shit you must have no fucking soul.  He did nothing, everyone knew about waco for what it was.  it was on the fucking t.v. over and over and everyone knew the government killed those people. 

For you to say David K. wasn't a fucking criminal along with all the people in the compound that killed those kids show how little of a thought process you have.  THEY WERE ALL FUCKING WRONG!!!  ATF, Military, Clinton, David K., His followers, And above all Timothy McVeigh.


The kids and federal workers killed by the Government and McVeigh were the victims. 

You can go to hell for what you say.
Lotta, for the majority of this thread, you and I have been on the same page.  We still disagree on the terrorism thing, but I definitely agree with you on revolution.

I can appreciate ATG's sentiment (short of admiring McVeigh), but the simple truth of the matter is that there will be no revolution.  There will possibly be a slow descent into corporate fascism, but if things are to get better, it will involve rational but slow change.  Now is not the time for revolution but for accountability.  The real test will be if the next president will actually hold any corporations accountable for their abuses.  We already know Bush is incapable of enforcing accountability (whether it's his own or that of others).
GunSlinger OIF II
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

You are scarring me Yerded.

It is not time, and you shouldn't talk like that around kids on this forum.
seriously. 

Mcveigh?  real admirable.

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ATG
Banned
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I have always been honest here about my feelings.


/costs.

children MURDERED at Waco by federal agents.
https://www.mypersonalstory.net/kids.jpg


Seems to me, no matter how heinous McVeighs act was, and it was,  the government still killed more children.

but, he didn't wear a badge, so it was automatically mindless evil?


now I know how dictators are selected.

Last edited by ATG (2008-04-05 20:52:05)

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