| I'd be mad and I'd complain about it | 14% | 14% - 48 | ||||
| I wouldn't care tbh | 55% | 55% - 184 | ||||
| I think it would improve the neighborhood | 2% | 2% - 9 | ||||
| Fuck Islam | 27% | 27% - 91 | ||||
| Total: 332 | ||||||
You know, I remember having one of these "not for me" dialogs with lowing myself. We were talking about cultural assimilation, and I was suggesting it takes time, sometimes a generation or two, and that it can affect the overall cultural feel, mood, aspect, etc of an area (and that is not really a bad thing; but rather a good thing IMO). So, I said that I liked Miami/Dade County (Southeast Florida) because of the Cuban cultural influence. Of course lowing retorts: not for me, that's not the America I want, that's your example(? !)... no thanks. Then he suggested this 44 y.o. white male (myself) liked it because I was of some kind of ethnic decent; that identified with the area (Latin, Cuban, Hispanic, etc).Bertster7 wrote:
Yup, all of those things would make one a bigot (although for me being intolerant of whites and infidels wouldn't count, because they are not differing creeds, beliefs or opinions).lowing wrote:
and what of being utterly intolerant ofBertster7 wrote:
That opinion is bigoted. Simple as.
Since it is an utterly subjective statement it is unprovable and only shows to highlight the authors prejudices, prejudices that make him a bigot.
The definition of a bigot is:
Being utterly intolerant of Islam makes one a bigot.
Jews
women
gays
whites
infidels
etc....
ut oh, it is getting pretty damned crowded in here. DO not call me a bigot because I do not tolerate intolerance.
Berster, you better be telling me that your last house purchase was purposely sought for and bought in a mostly black, hispanic or ME'ern nieghborhood or you can join me wearng this bigot label.
Actually, I do live in a mostly black neighbourhood. I live near Peckham (New Cross is where I actually live) in South London, it is a very cosmopolitan society and I like it that way.
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Well you know, they knock down a few buildings, crash some planes, cut off a few peoples heads on video, murder little girls on the way to school, threaten you with jihad, riot and kill people over news paper pictures in a different country, and pretty soon you start to feel they don't like you.Poseidon wrote:
Ah, the intolerance and fear of muslims in the world astounds me. Really, it does.
I feel like in my past life I was a witness to the Japanese-American holding camps.
Are those same as the normal people that go to Mosques? Way to generalise the whole religion.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Well you know, they knock down a few buildings, crash some planes, cut off a few peoples heads on video, murder little girls on the way to school, threaten you with jihad, riot and kill people over news paper pictures in a different country, and pretty soon you start to feel they don't like you.Poseidon wrote:
Ah, the intolerance and fear of muslims in the world astounds me. Really, it does.
I feel like in my past life I was a witness to the Japanese-American holding camps.
What is wrong with you?Lotta_Drool wrote:
Well you know, they knock down a few buildings, crash some planes, cut off a few peoples heads on video, murder little girls on the way to school, threaten you with jihad, riot and kill people over news paper pictures in a different country, and pretty soon you start to feel they don't like you.Poseidon wrote:
Ah, the intolerance and fear of muslims in the world astounds me. Really, it does.
I feel like in my past life I was a witness to the Japanese-American holding camps.
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A lot of they people in Muslim countries go to Mosques. Many of these countries, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabi.... seem a little intollerant of my way of life. In most of these countries I would be kill or jailed because of Islamic laws. These countries I listed are the ones that define Islam, it is the religion's birthplace. The people there are the most devout of the religion, they live breath and study Islam. They base their laws and society on Islam's teachings. And you know what?, they all are filled with terrorists. They all have different rules for nonMuslims. Most of them you can't wear a cross in public without being imprisoned or killed outright by some tribal elder.r'Eeee wrote:
Are those same as the normal people that go to Mosques? Way to generalise the whole religion.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Well you know, they knock down a few buildings, crash some planes, cut off a few peoples heads on video, murder little girls on the way to school, threaten you with jihad, riot and kill people over news paper pictures in a different country, and pretty soon you start to feel they don't like you.Poseidon wrote:
Ah, the intolerance and fear of muslims in the world astounds me. Really, it does.
I feel like in my past life I was a witness to the Japanese-American holding camps.
^^^^r'Eeee wrote:
Are those same as the normal people that go to Mosques? Way to generalise the whole religion.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Well you know, they knock down a few buildings, crash some planes, cut off a few peoples heads on video, murder little girls on the way to school, threaten you with jihad, riot and kill people over news paper pictures in a different country, and pretty soon you start to feel they don't like you.Poseidon wrote:
Ah, the intolerance and fear of muslims in the world astounds me. Really, it does.
I feel like in my past life I was a witness to the Japanese-American holding camps.
*sigh* Prove to me that Islam is a peaceful religion and i will not start.Poseidon wrote:
^^^^r'Eeee wrote:
Are those same as the normal people that go to Mosques? Way to generalise the whole religion.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Well you know, they knock down a few buildings, crash some planes, cut off a few peoples heads on video, murder little girls on the way to school, threaten you with jihad, riot and kill people over news paper pictures in a different country, and pretty soon you start to feel they don't like you.
GG, Lotta_Drool. Nice job proving your ignorance.
If I could give you a written interview of my stepmom who is of Albanian ancestry and is a practicing muslim, I would.David.P wrote:
*sigh* Prove to me that Islam is a peaceful religion and i will not start.Poseidon wrote:
^^^^r'Eeee wrote:
Are those same as the normal people that go to Mosques? Way to generalise the whole religion.
GG, Lotta_Drool. Nice job proving your ignorance.
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You know as well as I do that if there are some like that, there are others as well. My point is your claim of the moderate Muslim being the ones blowing themselves up is ridiculous.lowing wrote:
well I guess 10 outta 1.5 billion is a start huh?Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Well, I can name at least ten Muslim people off the top of my head that would not take part in, and do not condone terrorist attacks, and the hundreds of Muslims that go to said mosque haven't done anything save a peaceful anti-Israel picket protest about a year ago, yet all these people still hold on to their Islamic religion. I would consider them moderates. The people killing over it, I would consider them extremists.lowing wrote:
Everyone but you apparently.
If you can not show me where those events were carried out by extremists, then you have no reason to believe or argue they were, so why not stop with the bullshit circle jerk?
I do notice that a protest against an entire people is allowed in this tolerant and peaceful religion. Good stuff. But hey, I am the racist.
ahhh the good old liberal, ignorance is judging something based on facts, comment. Can't argue with that.Poseidon wrote:
^^^^r'Eeee wrote:
Are those same as the normal people that go to Mosques? Way to generalise the whole religion.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Well you know, they knock down a few buildings, crash some planes, cut off a few peoples heads on video, murder little girls on the way to school, threaten you with jihad, riot and kill people over news paper pictures in a different country, and pretty soon you start to feel they don't like you.
GG, Lotta_Drool. Nice job proving your ignorance.
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Why don't you tell the Christians to fuck off back to the Middle East whilst you're at it.Sup wrote:
They wanna build one in our capitol, couple miles away from me. So the Muslims can pray the say. They can go pray in their country. First its gonna be one mosque then another and so on until we have more mosques than Christian churches. I say NO!
Oh shit, there goes the thread. Time for me to put on my whitey gloves and open a can of racial whoop-ass.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
typical white people
Fuck the middle east.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Why don't you tell the Christians to fuck off back to the Middle East whilst you're at it.Sup wrote:
They wanna build one in our capitol, couple miles away from me. So the Muslims can pray the say. They can go pray in their country. First its gonna be one mosque then another and so on until we have more mosques than Christian churches. I say NO!
Huh?
The Media? Which fucken media? The Newspapers? The TV stations? The radio? Nope! All i ever here is how peaceful and beautiful islam is, I heard it after 9/11, Even though palestinians were celebrating in the streets, Shouting Allah ackbar death to america. I've heard it in school, Even though a Muslim kid older then me was calling for all white people to be killed(He was a member of the Nation of Islam) For taking his ancestors as slaves, And the school let him say whatever he wanted, But yet when I try to state my own opinion to the contrary it's not allowed for being racist? Bullshit! It's all about pandering and surrendering! Fuck Allah and Fuck Islam and all those who think it's peaceful!Poseidon wrote:
You guys just like to generalize. You're believing the media WAY too much. A MINORITY of Islam is hateful.
But is he a Typical whitey, or a non Typical whitey.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
hey, my best friend is white.
i no riteThe Sheriff wrote:
Fuck the middle east.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Why don't you tell the Christians to fuck off back to the Middle East whilst you're at it.Sup wrote:
They wanna build one in our capitol, couple miles away from me. So the Muslims can pray the say. They can go pray in their country. First its gonna be one mosque then another and so on until we have more mosques than Christian churches. I say NO!
Huh?
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he's from MinnesotaLotta_Drool wrote:
But is he a Typical whitey, or a non Typical whitey.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
hey, my best friend is white.
Non Typicals don't count.
Mofo must be translucent...GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
he's from MinnesotaLotta_Drool wrote:
But is he a Typical whitey, or a non Typical whitey.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
hey, my best friend is white.
Non Typicals don't count.
An exception is Saudi Arabia, which adheres to a rigorous doctrine of Islam known as Wahhabism. The ultra-conservative kingdom, which is home to Islam's holiest sites, bans all non-Muslim religious rituals and materials.
In contrast, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman and the United Arab Emirates host churches that cater to hundreds of thousands of expats and, in some cases, tiny local communities.
Ironically, Qatar also adheres to Wahhabism but it has opened up to other faiths in the past decade.
On Friday, a Vatican envoy is due to inaugurate St Mary's Roman Catholic church in Doha, the first of five that will be built in Qatar. That will give Catholics a special gift for Easter, which is celebrated on March 23.
"Bahrain hosts the first church of the Gulf region, founded in 1906 by American Anglican missionaries," boasted Yussef Haidar, secretary of the Anglican church there.
A number of Catholic and other churches have since been built in Bahrain, and services are held there for followers of denominations that do not have their own premises, he told AFP.
Bahrain has about 1,000 Christian citizens, including a woman member of an appointed consultative council.
But like other Gulf Arab states, its churches are used mainly by Western, Asian and Arab expats who work in the oil-rich Muslim region ruled by pro-Western governments.
Kuwait has about 10 churches, including a recently renovated complex in the heart of its capital.
There are only some 200 Christians -- mainly of Iraqi or Palestinian origin -- among the one-million native population of Kuwait. But the emirate is home to 350,000-400,000 foreign Christians, mostly from India, the Philippines, Egypt, Lebanon and Western countries.
-- 'There is a need for more churches'--
Complaints by some Christians that they were forced to rent private residences and turn them into places of worship, prompted the Kuwaiti government three years ago to allot two large plots of land for new churches.
But construction has been stymied by some Islamist MPs and members of the country's sole municipal council.
The United Arab Emirates, which prides itself on its religious tolerance and cultural diversity, also has several churches used by hundreds of thousands of Christian expats, mostly Filipinos, Indians and Arabs.
The opening of a church in Qatar reflects "progress" toward greater religious tolerance in the Gulf, said Father Francois Koussaifi, Catholic parish priest for Dubai and several other UAE emirates.
But in the UAE, "there is a need for more churches to cope with the growing number of Christians," said Koussaifi, a Lebanese who conducts Arabic and French services.
"The development of the church has not kept pace with the development of the country," he told AFP at Dubai's St Mary's Church, where the faithful often overflow into the courtyard facing a mosque.
A recent unofficial study showed that an influx of foreigners bolstered the UAE population to 5.6 million by the end of 2006, of whom nationals made up just 15.4 percent.
Catholics are the dominant community in the UAE, where they have seven churches. Other churches include an Anglican one in Dubai, which is used by several denominations, and a Coptic Orthodox one in the capital Abu Dhabi.
"I wish the government would allot more land to build churches. We asked for space to build another church in Dubai four years ago," Koussaifi said.
Reverend Michael Bos, a Muscat-based pastor from the Reformed Church in America, said Indian Catholics form the largest bloc among Oman's Christian community, which is made up of tens of thousands of expats from the Americas, Europe and Asia.
"Some of the mainline traditions -- such as Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox -- have their own sanctuaries," said Bos, director of the Al-Amana Centre, which studies Christian-Muslim relations.
Other congregations do not have churches of their own and use the existing ones, Bos told AFP.
Land for the churches -- including two compounds in Muscat, one in Sohar, and one in Salalah -- has been donated by Sultan Qaboos, Bos said, hailing Oman's "long tradition of tolerance."