M.O.A.B
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Kmarion wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

ATG wrote:

heh.
yup.


fuck all, it's confusing.
Planet formations has always been a big interest of mine. All planets are failed stars in that they form exactly the same way.
As your sig points ( ed ) out, Jupiter is a star that failed to ignite.
Think that's confusing? I'm still trying to get my head around how time travel can work and how everyhting related to it can occur lol.

It hurts my head I'll tell you that.

Good thread though .
You will only be able to go back as far as the time travel machine was invented. Say the machine was invented today... in a year from now you might be able to go back to March 19th, 2008.
Watch this on the 25th for more.
Bah, flux capacitator tbh.

Just need to duplicate the universe, create a corridor, set the time of one version back and jump through teh corridor. Time Travel: Made Easy

twiistaaa
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Nothing explains what came before the Big Bang. In all honesty, creationism is the best explanation for it.
not really. creationism is just the easiest to understand.

ask plato to send a message from england to australia within seconds and he will tell you its impossible.

we know better now, right? but are you smarter then plato. no.

in 1000 years time the same question will be posed. "ask stephen hawking to travel between universe A to universe B". is it impossible? "ask richard dawkins to prove life begun because of a process called X". is it impossible?

In all honesty just because the simplest reasoning is the easiest (to understand) explanation for "it" doesn't make it so.

we are still dumb as shit in terms of "it all"... don't throw away a FUCKING answer so quickly... if we settled for creationism we may as well wrap our woman up in sheets and nail theives to crosses.
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The universe has 11 dimensions, some of which are so small they are curled up and forgotten about.

When the Big Bange happened, the 4 forces, gravity, the 2 nuclear forces and the other one of which i have *uhumm* forgotten the name of "broke apart from 1 super force" i think, gravity being far weaker than the other 3 in equal strength.

The matter flew apart, and is still expanding infinately, known as red shift.

Matter (e.g. rocks and ice and dust) fused together to make rocky planets, and gas clouded together to make gas giants.

Stars give off nuclear energy, and when they die they expand, and, if they were big enough they collapse in on themselves after a super nova, causing a black hole, one of which is at the centre of our galaxy, and, because the Earth's ever expanding orbit is, well expanding, we may kindof run into it.

Moving on, black holes suck up EVERYTHING, including light, in the middle there is a tiny plug hole, where the doomed matter goes somewhere or something.

To find the ultimate theory of how we were created, which is what Stephen Hawking is working on, you have to combine 2 theories, Einstine's theory of the very large, and the theory of the very small (atoms) (quantum mechanics or something) anyway, you have to make these fit together, which is where Hawking is stuck, he found out that they combine at the edge of black holes, where the positive atoms escape the hole, but the negative atoms go down.
Kmar
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Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

The universe has 11 dimensions, some of which are so small they are curled up and forgotten about.

When the Big Bange happened, the 4 forces, gravity, the 2 nuclear forces and the other one of which i have *uhumm* forgotten the name of "broke apart from 1 super force" i think, gravity being far weaker than the other 3 in equal strength.

The matter flew apart, and is still expanding infinately, known as red shift.

Matter (e.g. rocks and ice and dust) fused together to make rocky planets, and gas clouded together to make gas giants.

Stars give off nuclear energy, and when they die they expand, and, if they were big enough they collapse in on themselves after a super nova, causing a black hole, one of which is at the centre of our galaxy, and, because the Earth's ever expanding orbit is, well expanding, we may kindof run into it.

Moving on, black holes suck up EVERYTHING, including light, in the middle there is a tiny plug hole, where the doomed matter goes somewhere or something.

To find the ultimate theory of how we were created, which is what Stephen Hawking is working on, you have to combine 2 theories, Einstine's theory of the very large, and the theory of the very small (atoms) (quantum mechanics or something) anyway, you have to make these fit together, which is where Hawking is stuck, he found out that they combine at the edge of black holes, where the positive atoms escape the hole, but the negative atoms go down.
Hawking is soooo 1980 (J/k of course). Ed Witten is an absolute genius as well.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/me … _q_03.html
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Flaming_Maniac
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twiistaaa wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Nothing explains what came before the Big Bang. In all honesty, creationism is the best explanation for it.
not really. creationism is just the easiest to understand.

ask plato to send a message from england to australia within seconds and he will tell you its impossible.

we know better now, right? but are you smarter then plato. no.

in 1000 years time the same question will be posed. "ask stephen hawking to travel between universe A to universe B". is it impossible? "ask richard dawkins to prove life begun because of a process called X". is it impossible?

In all honesty just because the simplest reasoning is the easiest (to understand) explanation for "it" doesn't make it so.

we are still dumb as shit in terms of "it all"... don't throw away a FUCKING answer so quickly... if we settled for creationism we may as well wrap our woman up in sheets and nail theives to crosses.
I don't think you read the rest of my posts.

It's the only explanation right now. The Plato example doesn't hold up because it's not like we haven't discovered the technology to look past the Big Bang, it is literally impossible according to our current laws of physics. Unless someone proves many, many of our current laws wrong and comes up with a way to breach causality, there can be no way to come up with a scientific explanation, complex or not.

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

The universe has 11 dimensions, some of which are so small they are curled up and forgotten about.
big maybe

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

The matter flew apart, and is still expanding infinately, known as red shift.
We see the light coming from other planets shifted in the red direction because of the Doppler Effect, and that means they are moving away from us. Other planets are in fact blue shifted, not everything is going away from us. Red shift is not just the term used for the expansion of the Universe.

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

Stars give off nuclear energy, and when they die they expand, and, if they were big enough they collapse in on themselves after a super nova, causing a black hole, one of which is at the centre of our galaxy, and, because the Earth's ever expanding orbit is, well expanding, we may kindof run into it.
Stars expand during later portions of their life cycle when they are fusing certain elements, not when they die.

The Earth is not going to fall into a black hole because of its expanding orbit, it will fall into a black hole because our solar system is moving towards the black hole. The whole shebang is going in.

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

To find the ultimate theory of how we were created, which is what Stephen Hawking is working on, you have to combine 2 theories, Einstine's theory of the very large, and the theory of the very small (atoms) (quantum mechanics or something) anyway, you have to make these fit together, which is where Hawking is stuck, he found out that they combine at the edge of black holes, where the positive atoms escape the hole, but the negative atoms go down.
Combining General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics

I don't know about him finding the answer at the edges of black holes...what he did discover is at the very edge of a black hole, particles are actually split at the horizon, where one side gets drug into the black hole and the other side is free on the other side. This process emits x-rays, which we can use to detect black holes. I'm not sure how he used this to combine GR and QM.

Kmarion, A Brief History of Time and The Universe in a Nutshell should be required reading, they are so easy to understand.
Kmar
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion, A Brief History of Time and The Universe in a Nutshell should be required reading, they are so easy to understand.
A briefer history of time is even easier . Especially when you have it on audiobook like me..lol.
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Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

Stars give off nuclear energy, and when they die they expand, and, if they were big enough they collapse in on themselves after a super nova, causing a black hole, one of which is at the centre of our galaxy, and, because the Earth's ever expanding orbit is, well expanding, we may kindof run into it.
Stars expand during later portions of their life cycle when they are fusing certain elements, not when they die.

The Earth is not going to fall into a black hole because of its expanding orbit, it will fall into a black hole because our solar system is moving towards the black whole. The whole shebang is going in.
No, but if the whole solar system is expanding, that also means that our orbit is too.
Kmar
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Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

No, but if the whole solar system is expanding, that also means that our orbit is too.
Are you confusing the Universe and the Solar system?

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#SS
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SEREVENT
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Kmarion wrote:

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

No, but if the whole solar system is expanding, that also means that our orbit is too.
Are you confusing the Universe and the Solar system?

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#SS
Possibly.
Flaming_Maniac
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I think you don't understand the position of the solar system in our galaxy. Lemme try to find a pic.

edit:

https://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g44/Flaming_Maniac/Milky_Way_galaxy_sun05.jpg
SEREVENT
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I think you don't understand the position of the solar system in our galaxy. Lemme try to find a pic.

edit:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g44/F … _sun05.jpg
I know where we are, i know that from where we look like our galaxy looks horrizontal or something.
Flaming_Maniac
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Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I think you don't understand the position of the solar system in our galaxy. Lemme try to find a pic.

edit:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g44/F … _sun05.jpg
I know where we are, i know that from where we look like our galaxy looks horrizontal or something.
Yes, but my point is, as far as falling into the black hole, Earth's position in the solar system is irrelevant. Even with Earth's very slightly decaying orbit, that doesn't matter on a scale where the sun isn't even visible.
SEREVENT
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I think you don't understand the position of the solar system in our galaxy. Lemme try to find a pic.

edit:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g44/F … _sun05.jpg
I know where we are, i know that from where we look like our galaxy looks horrizontal or something.
Yes, but my point is, as far as falling into the black hole, Earth's position in the solar system is irrelevant. Even with Earth's very slightly decaying orbit, that doesn't matter on a scale where the sun isn't even visible.
It will matter when we fall in though.
Flaming_Maniac
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Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:


I know where we are, i know that from where we look like our galaxy looks horrizontal or something.
Yes, but my point is, as far as falling into the black hole, Earth's position in the solar system is irrelevant. Even with Earth's very slightly decaying orbit, that doesn't matter on a scale where the sun isn't even visible.
It will matter when we fall in though.
...no, it won't. We're talking about the width of a hair on a soccer field, or less.
Kmar
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https://i31.tinypic.com/1zvbgad.jpg
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M.O.A.B
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That's where we're positioned? I thought it was further out one of the arms.
Flaming_Maniac
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M.O.A.B wrote:

That's where we're positioned? I thought it was further out one of the arms.
Just google man, I have no idea how reliable it is. Didn't really matter for my purposes.
SenorToenails
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Kmarion wrote:

Watch this on the 25th for more.
The guy I work for is going to be on The Universe sometime in April.  He explains nebulae or some such.
SenorToenails
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Bf2-GeneralArnott wrote:

It will matter when we fall in though.
FM is right.  The size of the solar system, however massive it may seem, is absolutely insignificant in comparison to the size of the galaxy, and even more so compared to the size of the universe.
Kmar
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Well the universe is great and all, I had many interests in it a few years back and tried to figure out string theory, all I bumped on is that it´s quite useless and that I should be more worried about contributing to society and the well-being of the people around me. I really stopped trying after that.

We don't know anything about the universe yet to be very honest with you, what we've uncovered so far equals to looking into the backyard of your neighbour while we're living in some city with billions of inhabitants. We're really not advanced enough yet to start worrying too much about it.

Ofcourse, having it as a hobby is fun, I'm not discouraging anyone to try and look into the universe wondering what's out there. It's great to expand your knowledge on a subject like this. Just that the further you get the more dazzling and weird it gets; at one point it wasn't fun anymore and just annoyingly complicated. I could barely grasp the roof of string theory, people working on that are true geniuses.

I'll see where we're at in 50 years from now, once in a while I look on some exciting news about our solar system etc. but I won't bother trying to get in the subject deep anymore xD.

btw: we're positioned in an outer ring. The galaxy also throws stars out of it's orbit, these stars end up in dead space - there is some debris in the space inbetween solar systems of stars / gas clouds. As we're going now we might be swung out of orbit.

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inane little opines
Kmar
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dayarath wrote:

We don't know anything about the universe yet to be very honest with you, what we've uncovered so far equals to looking into the backyard of your neighbour while we're living in some city with billions of inhabitants.
A little over the top, but i get what you are saying..lol.
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SenorToenails
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Some might find this interesting.

The article wrote:

A powerful stellar explosion detected March 19 by NASA's Swift satellite has shattered the record for the most distant object that could be seen with the naked eye.
7.5 billion light years away--wow!  That's a massive distance.
Kmar
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SenorToenails wrote:

Some might find this interesting.

The article wrote:

A powerful stellar explosion detected March 19 by NASA's Swift satellite has shattered the record for the most distant object that could be seen with the naked eye.
7.5 billion light years away--wow!  That's a massive distance.
And with the naked eye none-the less .

In fact, the explosion took place so long ago that Earth had not yet come into existence.
Watching something that happened 7.5 billion years ago is .

https://i30.tinypic.com/2j2i1w1.gif
http://grb.fuw.edu.pl/pi/ot/grb080319b/normal.html

It must have been pointed directly at us.
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SenorToenails
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Kmarion wrote:

Watching something that happened 7.5 billion years ago is .
Especially because the Earth did not exist yet when the GRB happened.

Kmarion wrote:

It must have been pointed directly at us.
Impeccable aim, if I do say so.

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