US Navy Sonar Use

2008-03-12 16:50:24

#1

Major.League.Infidel: Make Love and War; +303|6782|Communist Republic of CA, USA

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*Note* In case you don't know what Sonar is...

Sonar technology involves bouncing sound waves off underwater objects to determine what they are. Brantley said the training is needed so technicians can learn how to identify whether an object is an animal, an obstruction or a vessel.

Basically it's underwater Radar.

The two sides of the argument (in a nutshell):

Pro-Sonar

Two officials of the Navy League, a civilian organization that supports the service, said the Navy needs the training to detect hostile submarines.....According to the Navy study, sonar is essential because of the worldwide proliferation of modern, quiet diesel submarines.

Against Sonar

Keith Jenkins, a marine scientist who worked with the Navy on the study, said it might cause the animals to stop feeding or move out of an area. In some cases, he said, the sound might keep them from hearing normal sounds around them.

Article on the debate

2008-03-12 16:52:29

#2

Mutantbear: Semi Constructive Criticism; +1,431|6269|London, England

Sonar is essential to submarines, they'll be sitting ducks without it, fuck the fish

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2008-03-12 16:53:07

#3

Kurazoo: Pheasant Plucker; +440|6989|West Yorkshire, U.K

I dont care, its America

2008-03-12 16:54:39

#4

Major.League.Infidel: Make Love and War; +303|6782|Communist Republic of CA, USA

Kurazoo wrote:
I dont care, its America

Understandable, but imagine it was the UK and not US.

2008-03-12 16:55:45

#5

VspyVspy: Sniper; +183|6977|A sunburnt country

Mutantsteak wrote:
Sonar is essential to submarines, they'll be sitting ducks without it, fuck the fish

Passive sonar is essential to subs, if you use active (Ping), everyone knows where you are and you die. Active sonar is considered a very risky thing to use and generally only as a last resort.

Ships on the other hand need active sonar because the ships own noise is too much and blanks out passive detection...........

2008-03-12 16:57:57

#6

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6686|the land of bourbon

a very touchy subject... good poll. i null voted, as i really don't know all the facts. can they conclusively prove this hurts the fishies? i'm all in favor of doing what we need to do to protect ourselves, but at what cost, mr. garrison, at what cost?

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2008-03-12 17:06:39

#7

IRONCHEF: Member; +385|6795|Northern California

steelie34 wrote:
a very touchy subject... good poll. i null voted, as i really don't know all the facts. can they conclusively prove this hurts the fishies? i'm all in favor of doing what we need to do to protect ourselves, but at what cost, mr. garrison, at what cost?

Me too. Bad question on this forum where youngsters don't understand migratory patterns or ecology..of course older people don't either that much. So without knowing everything, it's hard to choose. My obvious question is, is there constant sonar sweeps along the coast 24/7? is it necessary?

How does Japan fair with it in their whaling/fishing industry and the obvious sub activity around their waters?

2008-03-12 17:07:50

#8

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6948

do it outside of Iranian waters.

2008-03-12 17:14:42

#9

VspyVspy: Sniper; +183|6977|A sunburnt country

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
do it outside of Iranian waters.

They already do............................

2008-03-12 17:16:13

#10

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6948

good

2008-03-12 17:21:48

#11

Gfr28: Member; +6|6220

this is what kills our government ....ppl worry about the lil stuff instead of the big issues like war immigration our economy and so on.

2008-03-12 17:24:41

#12

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6751|Chicago, IL

submarine = 500 feet

ocean = 198 million square miles

I'm sure the whales will find space...

2008-03-12 17:34:20

#13

thtthht: maximum bullshit; +50|6635|teh alien spaceshit

Eh... sonars are like the headlights of cars.having one is a must.
Otherwise, you'll run into a whale and sink.

2008-03-12 17:47:40

#14

HurricaИe: Banned; +877|6266|Washington DC

couldn't they just go a bit further off shore?

2008-03-12 17:52:33

#15

Mutantbear: Semi Constructive Criticism; +1,431|6269|London, England

HurricaИe wrote:
couldn't they just go a bit further off shore?

couldn't the fish go a bit further off shore?

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2008-03-13 04:53:39

#16

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6527|Escea

Subs need HUGE windows tbh

2008-03-13 05:06:21

#17

Eldu: Member; +62|6412|Belgium

Subs are useless, so I'd say yes, limit them, get them out of the water alltogether.

2008-03-13 05:10:54

#18

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6925|London, England

I don't really care. Then again neither do I care about the Japanese and their Whale antics. It seems that some people will defend the USN but deplore the Japanese, sure they are on different scales, but don't be hypocritical now.

2008-03-13 05:17:43

#19

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6715|'Murka

IRONCHEF wrote:
Me too. Bad question on this forum where youngsters don't understand migratory patterns or ecology..of course older people don't either that much. So without knowing everything, it's hard to choose. My obvious question is, is there constant sonar sweeps along the coast 24/7? is it necessary?

How does Japan fair with it in their whaling/fishing industry and the obvious sub activity around their waters?

Well, apparently, people can be uninformed about the other side of the issue, as well:

Eldu wrote:
Subs are useless, so I'd say yes, limit them, get them out of the water alltogether.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-03-13 13:29:30

#20

Commie Killer: Member; +192|6691

While I realize its not the Cold War anymore, you are running the risk of having a enemy sub off our shores now. Anyways, I think this is just retarded. Fuck the whales.

2008-03-13 13:35:01

#21

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6304|...

Eldu wrote:
Subs are useless, so I'd say yes, limit them, get them out of the water alltogether.

xcuse me

ed; well you're belgian anyway so I forgive you.

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inane little opines

2008-03-13 13:35:42

#22

Commie Killer: Member; +192|6691

Eldu wrote:
Subs are useless, so I'd say yes, limit them, get them out of the water alltogether.

Thats sarcastic right? If not just shoot yourself.

2008-03-13 15:55:45

#23

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,060|7076|PNW

Eldu wrote:
Subs are useless, so I'd say yes, limit them, get them out of the water alltogether.

Oh, yes. Little underwater nuclear-armed states are absolutely useless, yesiree...

Mek-Izzle wrote:
I don't really care. Then again neither do I care about the Japanese and their Whale antics. It seems that some people will defend the USN but deplore the Japanese, sure they are on different scales, but don't be hypocritical now.

Oh, yes. The USN is sure hauling in that whale meat.

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2008-03-13 19:33:52

#24

BVC: Member; +325|7000

No? The fish can cope, and we have bigger things to worry about than a few sound waves.

2008-03-13 20:15:30

#25

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6833|Global Command

The new sonar that's been causing whales and dolphins to die should be limited to testing and times of war.

Dolphin and whales are people too.

Yes	31%	31% - 22
No	68%	68% - 48
Total: 70

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