BF2S Forums RAAF FA-18's waste of money?

Kmarion wrote:

(Air) Warfare in the likely near future will be providing air support to troops on the ground. Buy some A-10's, or maybe some AC-130U Spooky's. Nobody is going to be fighting phantom "ghost" Jets over China. The military's of the world love to buy Ferrari's when the family really needs a Minivan .

I believe the A part of the F/A would be the ground attack part.

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

(Air) Warfare in the likely near future will be providing air support to troops on the ground. Buy some A-10's, or maybe some AC-130U Spooky's. Nobody is going to be fighting phantom "ghost" Jets over China. The military's of the world love to buy Ferrari's when the family really needs a Minivan .

I believe the A part of the F/A would be the ground attack part.

I was speaking of rushing to get the JSF's.

Kmarion wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

(Air) Warfare in the likely near future will be providing air support to troops on the ground. Buy some A-10's, or maybe some AC-130U Spooky's. Nobody is going to be fighting phantom "ghost" Jets over China. The military's of the world love to buy Ferrari's when the family really needs a Minivan .

I believe the A part of the F/A would be the ground attack part.

I was speaking of rushing to get the JSF's.

F-35's are good for us because it can do what we require in one plane...

1. Good air-air capabilities.
2. Good stealth capabilities.
3. Good payload.
4. and shit guys... it hovers lol

buying A-10 or AC-130 spectres would really not serve our purpose.

EDIT: spelling

Last edited by Little BaBy JESUS (2008-02-19 03:20:59)

Nappy wrote:

buy Migs, and j-10's

Lol this is IRL not BF2

J-10 and various MiGs are not up to the standard of the F-35 (for our purposes)

and plus... i wonder how happy america would be about that.

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Yes australia does still need a strong air-air defense capability as we are a island (duh) really it needs to be the strongest part of our defense forces.

I loled.

Ok so because you are an island continent that means you have a special need that other nations don't have? As if air campaign must be launched exclusively over open water.

You have obviously missed my point.

Of those three "indispensable" aircraft, the most promising is the Navy's F/A 18E/F, based upon a proven airframe and fulfilling at least some legitimate needs. The Navy insists the program is within budget, but maintains its numbers only by deferring problems. The F-22 Raptor, a supremely-unnecessary air-superiority fighter, is over budget $667 million years before the first plane has been produced for combat. The contractor, in a wonderful blackmail effort, has warned that costs will shoot higher if the Air Force does not continue to buy an unwanted aircraft, the C-130J, to keep assembly lines open. The final aircraft, the Joint Strike Fighter, is lagging in development, but being rushed forward. Its purchase will force an annual doubling of the aircraft procurement budget, even if costs do not increase one dollar beyond current projections. Yet, in an air campaign such as those in Yugoslavia or Iraq, it offers little more than planes we have.

You are inventing possible threats that most likely will never happen to justify a new toy. Meanwhile you end up paying much more for an aircraft that does little more to protect you here in the real world (You get less of what you need).


It's a little old but still relevant.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/featur … itary.html

We are buying the future force the generals and admirals, Congressmen and contractors want, not the one we will need. This is waste just short of treason.

Tell me what is your biggest threat?

Kmarion wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Yes australia does still need a strong air-air defense capability as we are a island (duh) really it needs to be the strongest part of our defense forces.

I loled.

Ok so because you are an island continent that means you have a special need that other nations don't have? As if air campaign must be launched exclusively over open water.

You have obviously missed my point.

Well it would seem to me that in a defensive situation... it would be rather hard for Australias rather small army to protect such a large country (as u said continent) so i would say that in a DEFENSIVE role the Air force is much more important than our army. it is true that it is unlikely we would be invaded or that a large scale war would happen for quite a while... but we can assume we will ALWAYS be outnumbered by enemy ground personel.

Its abit different to a small European country that has a larger population density in a smaller area... i dunno i might be crazy... but i think we do have a special DIFFERENT need to many other countries.

Why buy Air to Ground bombers when America can do it for you

From what I heard on "4 Corners" ( very high standard Aussie current affairs program), the Superhornet cannot win air superiority over the fighter jets our close neigbours have. Australia has generally had air superiority over its close neighbours. The fighter they compared the FA18 with was the SU30 ( i think, the documentary was on a few months ago)

Compared to the Superhornet, the SU 30 was much faster, had a higher ceiling, a longer range, and a rear facing radar.
The only advantages of the FA18 was the slight stealth capabilities ( although the experts on the show denied they were that effective as the weapons and fuel tanks were still exposed), and a long range weapon system that could launch missiles high distances away from their target.
Another advantage of the SU30 was that it you could buy 2 of them for the price of 1 Superhornet.

4corners wrote:

In the skies over Russia one of the world’s most advanced and lethal fighter aircraft displays its fearful capabilities.

The new generation Sukhoi fighters are causing enormous consternation in Western military circles and they will soon be operating in Australia’s so called "sphere of influence".

WING COMMANDER CHRIS MILLS (RTD), DEFENCE AIR WARFARE STRATEGIST 2001-07: It’s a formidable weapon, flies higher, faster, further, it turns better and it's got better weapons.

When the previous defence minister told the defence forces that they were buying the Superhornets ( without any consultation) they actually laughed, until they realised he wasnt joking.
We should break the deal as we will still pay the the manufacturer a deal break fee ( not sure what its actually called). At least we wouldnt pay billions for an inferior fighter.

If you are interested in looking at the story I watched you can see it on http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_ … efault.htm goes for a while but very interesting.


Edit : I dont think this would strain our relationship with the US.

Last edited by Burwhale the Avenger (2008-02-19 05:03:22)

Burwhale the Avenger wrote:

Compared to the Superhornet, the SU 30 was much faster, had a higher ceiling, a longer range, and a rear facing radar.
The only advantages of the FA18 was the slight stealth capabilities ( although the experts on the show denied they were that effective as the weapons and fuel tanks were still exposed), and a long range weapon system that could launch missiles high distances away from their target.
Another advantage of the SU30 was that it you could buy 2 of them for the price of 1 Superhornet.

The F/A-18 isn't a stealth fighter at all.  I think you meant the JSF here.

aimbot_target wrote:

Burwhale the Avenger wrote:

Compared to the Superhornet, the SU 30 was much faster, had a higher ceiling, a longer range, and a rear facing radar.
The only advantages of the FA18 was the slight stealth capabilities ( although the experts on the show denied they were that effective as the weapons and fuel tanks were still exposed), and a long range weapon system that could launch missiles high distances away from their target.
Another advantage of the SU30 was that it you could buy 2 of them for the price of 1 Superhornet.

The F/A-18 isn't a stealth fighter at all.  I think you meant the JSF here.

As of early 2008, there is some discussion between Boeing and the US and Australian militaries about creating a Super Hornet Block III, a generation 4.75 upgrade with extra forward stealth capabilities and extended range, to be succeeded in 2024 by a sixth-generation fighter.

Slight being the keyword.

FA-18, IIRC, was designed as a ground support aircraft, right? Why buy one of those as a plane to defend your skies? Buy something designed to own the skies. Buy a fucking USS Enterprise with phasers and control the fucking world.

Kmarion wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I loled.

Ok so because you are an island continent that means you have a special need that other nations don't have? As if air campaign must be launched exclusively over open water.

You have obviously missed my point.

Well it would seem to me that in a defensive situation... it would be rather hard for Australias rather small army to protect such a large country (as u said continent) so i would say that in a DEFENSIVE role the Air force is much more important than our army. it is true that it is unlikely we would be invaded or that a large scale war would happen for quite a while... but we can assume we will ALWAYS be outnumbered by enemy ground personel.

Its abit different to a small European country that has a larger population density in a smaller area... i dunno i might be crazy... but i think we do have a special DIFFERENT need to many other countries.

From what I've heard you guys have a kick ass navy.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=78037

_{Some kick ass allies also}


Future wise: ICBM's tbh. Three F-18's for the price of one JSF.. I go with numbers in the meantime.

Yer having some ICBM's would be nice... but i have a feeling we signed something that prevents us from having them... just have to rely on americas ICBM's