Does one city represent a state?
I could say Massachusetts is filled with a bunch of rude morons because Boston drivers fail at life.
I could say Massachusetts is filled with a bunch of rude morons because Boston drivers fail at life.
Poll
Would you support an independent California?
| Yes | 32% | 32% - 51 | ||||
| No | 67% | 67% - 104 | ||||
| Total: 155 | ||||||
I am a Californian and I support a far more decentralized government, but in no way support the secession of California from the Union. Our National Guard is going to become our standing army?
There are other ways to implement change than a revolution. Surely there are problems with the federal and state government, but I would rather stay a member of the U.S.
You might come across a little more intelligent if you think out your posts instead of rambling about 6 different things at once as reasons for the secession of our state.
There are other ways to implement change than a revolution. Surely there are problems with the federal and state government, but I would rather stay a member of the U.S.
You might come across a little more intelligent if you think out your posts instead of rambling about 6 different things at once as reasons for the secession of our state.
Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-02-18 23:10:37)
I'm sure all the U.S. Military Bases would remain under U.S. Gov't control.
Not to mention you forgot to mention in your whole grand scheme of things, that belong to the United States Government that won't just stay there because Cali wants to become its own state. Like for example The Military Bases, The forrest Service, their equipment, BLM and their Equipment. I'm sure all of the employees of these high paying U.S. Government jobs would be willing to relocate somewhere else. to keep their job.
Lets also talk about how your proposes country would generate revenue to support its people. What is the main export? Is your currency going to have any value to the world market?
Maybe in dreamland, California could rise up and say, Hey all this shit and all these people here are now citizens and property of the People's republic of California. Its an amazing pipedream you have there.
Good Luck with all that.
Not to mention you forgot to mention in your whole grand scheme of things, that belong to the United States Government that won't just stay there because Cali wants to become its own state. Like for example The Military Bases, The forrest Service, their equipment, BLM and their Equipment. I'm sure all of the employees of these high paying U.S. Government jobs would be willing to relocate somewhere else. to keep their job.
Lets also talk about how your proposes country would generate revenue to support its people. What is the main export? Is your currency going to have any value to the world market?
Maybe in dreamland, California could rise up and say, Hey all this shit and all these people here are now citizens and property of the People's republic of California. Its an amazing pipedream you have there.
Good Luck with all that.
yes I would support it store all the Mexicans there hehehe I kid I kid
From Mexico?
Boo fucking hoo. An election doesn't go your way and you want to leave? You think theres a single person in this country who has everything exactly as they want it?
Talk about biting off your nose to spite your face...how unbelievably short-sighted.
On another note:
On another note:
Eye wundir if skoolz wuld git bettur.FallenMorgan wrote:
Californians for Independents
Last edited by FEOS (2008-02-19 03:56:54)
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
A dream come true............DO NOT let the door hit ya on the ass on your way out. Good luck with your illegal mexican nontax paying citizens.FallenMorgan wrote:
I'm a member of a movement that calls for secession of California from the United States of America. Our ideas involve non-violent means, such as those that took place during the Orange Revolution in Ukraine or the Velvet Revolution which brought democracy to Czechoslovakia. Our reasons are very wide, ranging from the fact that America's economy is going down the tubes, to the fact that popular sovereignty is a guaranteed right in the constitution, or at least until the American Civil War, at least.
California pays the most taxes out of any state to a Federal Government that has been corrupted for eight years, and threatens to be corrupted by another eight. California is more liberal than most of the other states, except for those on the East coast. It's very irritating that our lives are influenced highly by something going on a thousand miles away, especially if McCain or one of the other Republicans win and bring in a right-winged age of annoyance once again.
It's a fact that George W. Bush was not popularly elected. The US population of over 300 Million prevents anything other than the electoral college system, which is honestly rather unfair. California has a population of around 36,457,549, and in my opinion there would be less risks with a popular vote based election system. The website I subscribe to is Californians for Independents, but I plan on perhaps one day founding my own organization, who's name I have not decided on, but something like Californian Social Capitalist Party (read my blog).
I noticed that secession is great for everybody except the nation that's losing a chunk of territory. For example, Kosovo is recognized by several countries except Serbia and Russia. Rarely does a nation split away from another on good terms.
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lol indeed!CommieChipmunk wrote:
You really believe that your "little organization" can successfully remove California from the United States?
Seriously, I doubt an independent Cali would do any better... This would only bring more serious problems.
Anyway, a little advice: If you ever want to become like Kosovo, you need more Mexicans (Albanians) to stir troubles and slowly send Americans (Serbs) off to other states. Also, militia like the UÇK would come in handy for those persisting stains...
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hell no... are you crazy?
First of all, the secession of California as a political region seems to clash with more natural geographical and demographical boundaries. Southern California is its own entity, central California as well, and then No-Cal and southern Oregon are lumped together in the "State of Jefferson," as some call it.
Then western Oregon and Washington fit together quite well, while the eastern portion of both states is more 'midwest' than the rest.
That's just a brief rundown of why the current political boundaries of the west coast would provide awful borders if anyone were to secede.
This is another one of those things (like Ron Paul's presidency, or the deportation of all liberals from the USA) that I'd like to see, simply because of how utterly ridiculous it would be. If this ever happens, then I'm sorry, and I would recommend that you move. You're so fucked if this happens.
First of all, the secession of California as a political region seems to clash with more natural geographical and demographical boundaries. Southern California is its own entity, central California as well, and then No-Cal and southern Oregon are lumped together in the "State of Jefferson," as some call it.
Then western Oregon and Washington fit together quite well, while the eastern portion of both states is more 'midwest' than the rest.
That's just a brief rundown of why the current political boundaries of the west coast would provide awful borders if anyone were to secede.
This is another one of those things (like Ron Paul's presidency, or the deportation of all liberals from the USA) that I'd like to see, simply because of how utterly ridiculous it would be. If this ever happens, then I'm sorry, and I would recommend that you move. You're so fucked if this happens.
Dont call us when the terrorists start bombing your cities, Especially Berkeley!
wow, for the area of town you live in you really have nothing to complain about. You're a 5 minute walk from where Im at. Knew I didnt like you for a reason.FallenMorgan wrote:
I'm a member of a movement that calls for secession of California from the United States of America. Our ideas involve non-violent means, such as those that took place during the Orange Revolution in Ukraine or the Velvet Revolution which brought democracy to Czechoslovakia. Our reasons are very wide, ranging from the fact that America's economy is going down the tubes, to the fact that popular sovereignty is a guaranteed right in the constitution, or at least until the American Civil War, at least.
California pays the most taxes out of any state to a Federal Government that has been corrupted for eight years, and threatens to be corrupted by another eight. California is more liberal than most of the other states, except for those on the East coast. It's very irritating that our lives are influenced highly by something going on a thousand miles away, especially if McCain or one of the other Republicans win and bring in a right-winged age of annoyance once again.
It's a fact that George W. Bush was not popularly elected. The US population of over 300 Million prevents anything other than the electoral college system, which is honestly rather unfair. California has a population of around 36,457,549, and in my opinion there would be less risks with a popular vote based election system. The website I subscribe to is Californians for Independents, but I plan on perhaps one day founding my own organization, who's name I have not decided on, but something like Californian Social Capitalist Party (read my blog).
I noticed that secession is great for everybody except the nation that's losing a chunk of territory. For example, Kosovo is recognized by several countries except Serbia and Russia. Rarely does a nation split away from another on good terms.
LOL...its funny that you think that government corruption is only under the Republican banner. WOW!!!....sorry to inform you but government corruption is NOT a one sided thing, it goes both ways and you are an example of the problem in America. Instead of positioning yourself to support one of two sides, you need to think much bigger. This country was not supposed to be a two party state but that is what we have and that is the problem. No matter who will be in power, corruption will be a there because of the monopoly of these two parties, Corruption = Democrat or Republican.FallenMorgan wrote:
I'm a member of a movement that calls for secession of California from the United States of America. Our ideas involve non-violent means, such as those that took place during the Orange Revolution in Ukraine or the Velvet Revolution which brought democracy to Czechoslovakia. Our reasons are very wide, ranging from the fact that America's economy is going down the tubes, to the fact that popular sovereignty is a guaranteed right in the constitution, or at least until the American Civil War, at least.
California pays the most taxes out of any state to a Federal Government that has been corrupted for eight years, and threatens to be corrupted by another eight. California is more liberal than most of the other states, except for those on the East coast. It's very irritating that our lives are influenced highly by something going on a thousand miles away, especially if McCain or one of the other Republicans win and bring in a right-winged age of annoyance once again.
It's a fact that George W. Bush was not popularly elected. The US population of over 300 Million prevents anything other than the electoral college system, which is honestly rather unfair. California has a population of around 36,457,549, and in my opinion there would be less risks with a popular vote based election system. The website I subscribe to is Californians for Independents, but I plan on perhaps one day founding my own organization, who's name I have not decided on, but something like Californian Social Capitalist Party (read my blog).
I noticed that secession is great for everybody except the nation that's losing a chunk of territory. For example, Kosovo is recognized by several countries except Serbia and Russia. Rarely does a nation split away from another on good terms.
Well we fought a war to ensure this never happens again so your dream for an independent California is merely a pipe dream. Also, Connecticut, not California, pays the most state, local, and federal taxes.
I dont even think he is old enough to vote.
QFT wish I could add to this but KJ sums it up perfectly.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I am a Californian and I support a far more decentralized government, but in no way support the secession of California from the Union. Our National Guard is going to become our standing army?
There are other ways to implement change than a revolution. Surely there are problems with the federal and state government, but I would rather stay a member of the U.S.
You might come across a little more intelligent if you think out your posts instead of rambling about 6 different things at once as reasons for the secession of our state.
i sure do support it, but dont expect americas armies to help you stop an invasion from mexico
Other 49 states + US territories > Cali
I would say that Cali sucks, but I live near DC, which is the asshole of the nation IMO.
I would say that Cali sucks, but I live near DC, which is the asshole of the nation IMO.
lol at masshole driversnukchebi0 wrote:
Does one city represent a state?
I could say Massachusetts is filled with a bunch of rude morons because Boston drivers fail at life.
Invade Afghanistan, Iraq California
California is a joke. First of all, we're largely already on our own, and we are floundering financially. Mexico has a better chance at retaking this state more than we'd have a chance at secession. I'd quickly move to Montana if CA tried some stupid chit like secession from the nation.
This thread makes me lol, and then lol again.
QFT. I think Im done loling now.
No. I would not support an independent California.