Alaska is not worriedLocoloki wrote:
this is like straight out of a Tom Clancy novel with all the shit thats going on around Alaska
fixedstkhoplite wrote:
Something is going to kick off soon, The US military will probably fire on a Russian Bomber, Putin will wage War, me will die
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Well not really. I think the Public have a right to know about what happens between armed forces around the world. I don't see why it should stay within the Military.Magpie wrote:
The official was speaking on condition of anonymity because the reports on the flights were classified as secret is that not treason or something?
Welcome to the world of politics. Anyways, half the shit labeled secret isnt really that secret.Magpie wrote:
The official was speaking on condition of anonymity because the reports on the flights were classified as secret is that not treason or something?
What do you mean by 'close'? They're always in our airspace.dayarath wrote:
...and he does flight training dangerously close to european countries that border the sea.
Sounds like you're describing our emperor Bush!Skorpy-chan wrote:
...in the back of the bar surrounded by a pack of cronies. Now most of said cronies have gone, they're still throwing their weight around, spilling people's drinks, making lewd comments and filthy jokes, and generally being an ass.
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Very true. Has been happening for some 30 years, then slowed off for a bit. About a year ago, they come around the UK coastline every week or so for a bit of armed tension, and possibly chess.M.O.A.B wrote:
They come over to England for tea and scones as well, well try to before a pair of Eurofighters come up and change their mind.
wikipedia wrote:
Post-2000 confrontations
* 29 January 2004 — a Tu-95 flew over the USS Kitty Hawk in the Sea of Japan.
* 29 September 2006 — NORAD scrambled Canadian CF-18s from CFB Cold Lake in Central Alberta and American F-15s out of an airbase in Alaska to intercept "a number of the Russian Tu-95 Bear heavy bombers participating in an annual Russian air force exercise near the coast of Alaska and Canada." This launch was a result of the bombers penetrating the North American Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ).[4]
* May 2007 — the Royal Air Force scrambled two Tornado fighters from RAF Leuchars in Scotland to intercept a Tu-95 observing the Royal Navy exercise Neptune Warrior.[5]
* 17 July 2007 — two Royal Norwegian Air Force F-16s (from Bodø, Norway) and subsequently two RAF Tornados (from RAF Leeming, England) intercepted two Tu-95s as they allegedly made their way down the Norwegian coast towards Scotland.[6][7]
* August 2007 — two Tu-95s flew towards the U.S. base on Guam, where they were intercepted by U.S. fighter planes. Maj Gen Pavel Androsov of the Russian Air Force told a news conference, "We renewed the tradition when our young pilots flew by Guam in two planes. We exchanged smiles with our counterparts who flew up from a U.S. carrier and returned home."[8][9] However, the Pentagon denied that any aircraft were sent up, saying that the proximity of the bombers was not close enough to prompt a response from the carriers.[10]
* 17 August 2007 — two RAF Typhoons were launched to intercept and shadow a Tu-95 that had veered towards British airspace over the North Sea. The Tu-95 later turned away from UK airspace.[11]
* 6 September 2007 — Two Norwegian F-16s tracked eight Tu-95s over the Barents Sea[12] as they neared Norwegian airspace. The bombers flew past Norway and continued towards British airspace where four RAF Tornados were scrambled from RAF Leeming (in two waves of two), before the Russian planes turned away.[13] It was the same day that Canadian Forces' CF-18s and Russian Tu-95s met outside Canadian airspace near Inuvik, Northwest Territories. The CF-18s were scrambled when Tu-95s were seen flying outside Canadian airspace.[14]
* 22 November 2007 — F-22A Raptors of the 90th fighter squadron performed their first intercept of two Russian Tu-95MS 'Bear-H' bombers in Alaska. This was the first time that F-22s had been called to support a NORAD mission.[15][16]
* 9 February 2008 — 24 aircraft including F-15 Eagles and an E-767 AWAC from the Japanese air force scrambled and gave "a notice, then a warning and another a notice and a warning," as a Russian Tu-95MS 'Bear-H' violated the country's airspace during a three-minute flyover of Sofugan in the Izu Islands. Japan formally issued a strong protest, demanded prevention of future incidents and presented a protest note to the Russian Embassy in Tokyo. Russian officials conversely stated that four Tupolev Tu-95 bombers completed a 10-hour mission over the Pacific on Saturday, but "our strategic aviation planes did not violate Japanese airspace." [17][18][19]
* 9 February 2008 —Four American FA-18 fighters from the USS Nimitz were scrambled and tracked the bombers after two TU-95 Bear bombers flew over a US aircraft carrier in the Western Pacific.[20]
Other than the hyperbolic rhetoric, I agree...it's no big deal.IRONCHEF wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is. We do not own the sky. THe same could be said that our carriers went underneath their bombers. Who says who can and can't fly bombers in their nations interest? Putin has EVERY reason to be suspicious of us and our obvious aggression and empirical behavior. We're the ones not trying to cool things down...lame duck Condi is out shoe shopping instead of trying to assure Russia that our proposed missile defense systems in eastern Europe actually aren't meant to start another cold war..oh wait, we are trying to start one...
Russia FTW.Sounds like you're describing our emperor Bush!Skorpy-chan wrote:
...in the back of the bar surrounded by a pack of cronies. Now most of said cronies have gone, they're still throwing their weight around, spilling people's drinks, making lewd comments and filthy jokes, and generally being an ass.
Just apart from this, you think russia has every right to try and fly over european countries ? (I know finland has the most trouble with them, but it's generally new since the cold war for western european countries to have troubles with them) They are flying over british and german soil. They shouldn't because these countries "own" the airspace above it. Russians are not permitted into our airspace when it isn't discussed beforehand, and certainly not with military equipment. Not even in territorial waters belonging to us.IRONCHEF wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is. We do not own the sky. THe same could be said that our carriers went underneath their bombers. Who says who can and can't fly bombers in their nations interest? Putin has EVERY reason to be suspicious of us and our obvious aggression and empirical behavior. We're the ones not trying to cool things down...lame duck Condi is out shoe shopping instead of trying to assure Russia that our proposed missile defense systems in eastern Europe actually aren't meant to start another cold war..oh wait, we are trying to start one...
Russia FTW.Sounds like you're describing our emperor Bush!Skorpy-chan wrote:
...in the back of the bar surrounded by a pack of cronies. Now most of said cronies have gone, they're still throwing their weight around, spilling people's drinks, making lewd comments and filthy jokes, and generally being an ass.
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Thats how war is started, the Russians would look for the tiniest excuse to let off a few rounds...Mek-Izzle wrote:
If they do it, then others should do it to them. See how they like it.
Yes it is.IRONCHEF wrote:
Oh, it's ALL Russia's fault.
So that Russia has been bullying Finland, annoying sweden and norway, and now scrambling jets over our countries is all our own fault? Yes Putin did a good job at first as president, but it seems like he loved his old USSR experiences so much that it's getting boring now and he wishes to get back to bussiness. They are provocating way more than we are. POLAND wishes to have the anti missile defenses in their country installed by the US. You go ahead and blame the US, but it's Poland which feels it needs these installations.IRONCHEF wrote:
They're not responding to our provocations? Which president has blown off alot of the good work and treaties between the US and Russia? Which country has announced new missile "defense" bases along Russia's borders?
last I checked, Russia wasn't planting missile bases in Cuba, Venezuela or Mexico.
And again, we do NOT own the sky. I never condoned flying over other countries, like they did over Japan, who "lodged a complaint" against Russia. And for what it's worth, I'm guessing we've got eyes on Russia as much as they've got theirs on us. And no, I don't buy the idea that we're just innocently going about our business and not provoking other countries. How do you explain the intensity with which N Korea has put together their nukes, or with the escalated espionage China has been doing. Look at Chavez in Venezuela. Are they all secretly ganging up on the US, or are they responding to increased and blatant provocation by our Cowboy in Chief?