Yeah, that makes NO sense. You think the oil companies just eat the loss? No, they just increase the cost of gasoline so that their profits stay the same. As with all taxes on business, it is the consumer who actually pays.Pug wrote:
Kinda like taxing the oil companies and using the proceeds to fund energy alternatives...
with Hitlary you will have no choice... even if you can't afford it... your wages will be garnished... good times... she sucks...Locoloki wrote:
I guess will be able to afford it, better than paying 1000's of dollars to have an appendectomy
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its not such a bad thing, maybe people cant afford things now because they are spending so much already on outrageous medications and over expensive healthcare[TUF]Catbox wrote:
with Hitlary you will have no choice... even if you can't afford it... your wages will be garnished... good times... she sucks...Locoloki wrote:
I guess will be able to afford it, better than paying 1000's of dollars to have an appendectomy
so your OK with rising medical costs, overpriced medications and health insurance companies that wont cover procedures deemed "unnecessary"{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
So, what do our friends here that live in Canada have to say about this? Must be nice having free* health care. So how are those lines at the doctor's office? Oh, you're coming to the US to pay for a doctor so you can get a life threatening operation done before it's too late? Really? Wow.
* - Yeah right, and paying out the ass in taxes for a service that you might not want or need.
Fuck Hilary, fuck Obama, and McCain should just go on the democratic ballot as well...
I rather have a company handle my health care. I wouldn't want the government handling it, well, it's not that hard to figure out, they're just not good at handling such big programs especially on a local level like this. You think that you are going to pay less with national heath care coverage? Ha! I think you'll end up paying double to cover all the fucking free-loaders we now have in our county. That, plus what you are paying in Medicare taxes. We need to stop giving hand-outs to all these lazy bums that are already on welfare.Locoloki wrote:
so your OK with rising medical costs, overpriced medications and health insurance companies that wont cover procedures deemed "unnecessary"{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
So, what do our friends here that live in Canada have to say about this? Must be nice having free* health care. So how are those lines at the doctor's office? Oh, you're coming to the US to pay for a doctor so you can get a life threatening operation done before it's too late? Really? Wow.
* - Yeah right, and paying out the ass in taxes for a service that you might not want or need.
Fuck Hilary, fuck Obama, and McCain should just go on the democratic ballot as well...
Waiting a couple of hours ain't bad. My mom went to the hospital in december, she waited about 3 minutes, got a room, and stayed there 5 days. She had all the symptoms related to a stroke. She got a bunch of MRI, and tests, and this, and that. I wouldn't like being treated by a "doctor" who only sees me as his next cashcow, who'll probably fix me just enough so I might have to come back and give him more money.{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
So, what do our friends here that live in Canada have to say about this? Must be nice having free* health care. So how are those lines at the doctor's office? Oh, you're coming to the US to pay for a doctor so you can get a life threatening operation done before it's too late? Really? Wow.
* - Yeah right, and paying out the ass in taxes for a service that you might not want or need.
Fuck Hilary, fuck Obama, and McCain should just go on the democratic ballot as well...
You sure as hell won't be speaking like that if you go to the ER after a horrible accident and have no health insurance because the current insurance companies refused to carry you due to some stupid prior affliction that they don't want to be responsible for in the future. For a 6 hour ER visit after I had awful acid reflux, I still had to pay $929 out of a $3000 bill with Blue Cross...all for a GI cocktail and them telling me to take Tagamet every day.{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
I rather have a company handle my health care. I wouldn't want the government handling it, well, it's not that hard to figure out, they're just not good at handling such big programs especially on a local level like this. You think that you are going to pay less with national heath care coverage? Ha! I think you'll end up paying double to cover all the fucking free-loaders we now have in our county. That, plus what you are paying in Medicare taxes. We need to stop giving hand-outs to all these lazy bums that are already on welfare.
watch the movie Sicko{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
I rather have a company handle my health care. I wouldn't want the government handling it, well, it's not that hard to figure out, they're just not good at handling such big programs especially on a local level like this. You think that you are going to pay less with national heath care coverage? Ha! I think you'll end up paying double to cover all the fucking free-loaders we now have in our county. That, plus what you are paying in Medicare taxes. We need to stop giving hand-outs to all these lazy bums that are already on welfare.Locoloki wrote:
so your OK with rising medical costs, overpriced medications and health insurance companies that wont cover procedures deemed "unnecessary"{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
So, what do our friends here that live in Canada have to say about this? Must be nice having free* health care. So how are those lines at the doctor's office? Oh, you're coming to the US to pay for a doctor so you can get a life threatening operation done before it's too late? Really? Wow.
* - Yeah right, and paying out the ass in taxes for a service that you might not want or need.
Fuck Hilary, fuck Obama, and McCain should just go on the democratic ballot as well...
See, for myself, maybe around 20$ a month out of all my taxes go to health-care, and with that, I don't have to pay an extra dime if I need care. It's sad that you were billed 3000$ for something that could have been fixed at no charge. That's why I like the way the system works here. I will never have to worry about that kind of things. I do have an extra coverage that I got at work, but it only give me "free" access to extra things that are not normally covered, like professional massages, and eye lenses, and dental stuff, and other little things like that. The problem with your system is that it is run by greedy people who care more about your money and their wealth rather than your health.Marconius wrote:
You sure as hell won't be speaking like that if you go to the ER after a horrible accident and have no health insurance because the current insurance companies refused to carry you due to some stupid prior affliction that they don't want to be responsible for in the future. For a 6 hour ER visit after I had awful acid reflux, I still had to pay $929 out of a $3000 bill with Blue Cross...all for a GI cocktail and them telling me to take Tagamet every day.
This isn't just for all these so-called "leechers" that are taking advantage of Welfare. This is for the millions of other legitimate people that grossly outnumber the "leechers" when it comes down to the ability to own insurance and afford healthcare.
Some of us are contractors who don't hold jobs that have medical benefits and have to pay for our own insurance (like me). Some other people don't have enough money to spend on $210/mo. insurance along with other amenities to keep their quality of life above poverty.
Some people just can't afford the medications prescribed to them after a $150 doctor visit. I'm lucky my insurance makes all prescription drugs $10; the Protonix I'm taking for my stomach would've cost me over $170 for 30 pills.
The current system is absolutely backwards, with businessmen rather than doctors dictating the quality of life for those who are able to hold insurance in this company.
I dunno, i'd have to check. I'll try to remember that tomorrow and check that at work.{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
@ Soldier-Of-Wasteland:
How much or what percent of your pay check goes to the national health care tax?
They might actually become better, since they will be in for the love of the job and saving people rather that the money.Locoloki wrote:
adopt canada or europeans system, what the doctors are suddenly going to become less skilled?