It's been so long, I almost forgot what it means to sound Presidential..lol.
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That last bit about the "saying in TN, well iI know its in Texas..." it's almost as if he says it with perfect comedic timing.Kmarion wrote:
It's been so long, I almost forgot what it means to sound Presidential..lol.
They try to make it sound like he is going to be the great unifier of the country. It would be funny if he got elected and screwed things up even more. Anyway, if he gets elected and actually does a good job then more power to him. This is just propaganda though.
I love how we have come to associate propaganda with negativity automatically. It was made independently free of charge by people who were inspired by Obama. I have no problem listening to a political message, so long as it is genuine and done in good faith. It's better than the standard fear and smear we have become accustomed to. This video is made of pure win.iNeedUrFace4Soup wrote:
This is just propaganda though.
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So every political ad is propaganda?iNeedUrFace4Soup wrote:
This is just propaganda though.
This doesn't bash any candidate...all it does is support Obama.
prop·a·gan·daKmarion wrote:
I love how we have come to associate propaganda with negativity automatically. It was made independently free of charge by people who were inspired by Obama. I have no problem listening to a political message, so long as it is genuine and done in good faith. It's better than the standard fear and smear we have become accustomed to. This video is made of pure win.
–noun
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
I never said it was negative. Yes, I am a cynical person so sometimes words come out with unintentional undertones. lol
I know he didn't make it.
Yes, EVERY political ad is propaganda.Poseidon wrote:
So every political ad is propaganda?
This doesn't bash any candidate...all it does is support Obama.
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So you were just stating the obscenely obvious.iNeedUrFace4Soup wrote:
prop·a·gan·daKmarion wrote:
I love how we have come to associate propaganda with negativity automatically. It was made independently free of charge by people who were inspired by Obama. I have no problem listening to a political message, so long as it is genuine and done in good faith. It's better than the standard fear and smear we have become accustomed to. This video is made of pure win.
–noun
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
I never said it was negative. Yes, I am a cynical person so sometimes words come out with unintentional undertones. lol
I know he didn't make it.Yes, EVERY political ad is propaganda.Poseidon wrote:
So every political ad is propaganda?
This doesn't bash any candidate...all it does is support Obama.
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Sorry, I got the impression that some people thought this was actual entertainment and not an endorsement for a candidate of an upcoming election.Kmarion wrote:
So you were just stating the obscenely obvious.iNeedUrFace4Soup wrote:
prop·a·gan·daKmarion wrote:
I love how we have come to associate propaganda with negativity automatically. It was made independently free of charge by people who were inspired by Obama. I have no problem listening to a political message, so long as it is genuine and done in good faith. It's better than the standard fear and smear we have become accustomed to. This video is made of pure win.
–noun
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
I never said it was negative. Yes, I am a cynical person so sometimes words come out with unintentional undertones. lol
I know he didn't make it.Yes, EVERY political ad is propaganda.Poseidon wrote:
So every political ad is propaganda?
This doesn't bash any candidate...all it does is support Obama.
My wife pretty much had me convinced to vote for him. Then my 3 yr old girl recognized him on the news and started jumping up and down saying his name over and over. I asked her who it was and she said, "he's going to be the President." Works for me.
In 20 years I've never been inspired by any politician, other than to gag. I see this guy and, still knowing he's about as left as left can get, I feel like I can be proud of this country again if it elects him. I want this country to be able to elect a black man for president. I want this country to have habeas corpus and due process reinstated as the norm instead of the rarity. I want to be in a world where we fix our mistakes instead of making them worse. I've never felt hopeful about the things that this country can accomplish until now. I hope that we do and that he can deliver as well.
It's worth a shot because a vote for anyone else is just for the status quo. And that isn't good enough for me any more.
In 20 years I've never been inspired by any politician, other than to gag. I see this guy and, still knowing he's about as left as left can get, I feel like I can be proud of this country again if it elects him. I want this country to be able to elect a black man for president. I want this country to have habeas corpus and due process reinstated as the norm instead of the rarity. I want to be in a world where we fix our mistakes instead of making them worse. I've never felt hopeful about the things that this country can accomplish until now. I hope that we do and that he can deliver as well.
It's worth a shot because a vote for anyone else is just for the status quo. And that isn't good enough for me any more.
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They say he pulls a younger crowd... but dang .ph4s3 wrote:
Then my 3 yr old girl recognized him on the news and started jumping up and down saying his name over and over. I asked her who it was and she said, "he's going to be the President." Works for me.
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First time I saw Obama was when he gave his famous speech at the DNC. I liked him because he talked like a moderate among many far left liberals in the party. But now that I know the issues he stands for, I understand that he is just a more charismatic version of Hillary. I lost hope that there may be a moderate candidate out there. I think Ron Paul is the closest we have come to having one this election, but that guy gives me a wrong feeling for some reason. Anyway, I liked the video, but I agree, it is total propaganda. Not that it makes it a bad thing, but it won't change my mind about Obama. I try to make intelligent decisions, not emotional ones.
Do really think Ron Paul is moderate?
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Yeah, Paul isn't exactly a moderate. I agree with some of his stances, but he's undoubtedly a radical. As sad as it sounds, being a supporter of smaller government is radical in these big government times.
Granted, I'll still take Obama over Paul. Obama is more realistic.
Granted, I'll still take Obama over Paul. Obama is more realistic.
More than anyone else. He's actually a libertarian, but he ran Republican.Kmarion wrote:
Do really think Ron Paul is moderate?
Here's how it works. The Dems divide the country over the war, then promise to unite us. Who divided everyone over the war? The Dems. Who goes after every little special minority group? The Dems. They divide the country into all these little groups, then claim that they want to unite us after they were the ones dividing.
And for those who like Obama but can't stand Hillary....Obama, I predict, will win the primaries. But a vote for Obama is a vote for Hillary. Not only are they so similar on the issues, if Obama wins then Hillary will probably be his running mate. So, a vote for either one is a vote for the other.
Here's a better vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYjhFjvw5gk
While it is true that the Democrats may have brought up many issues involving the war, that doesn't make the issues irrelevant.
I find it odd that you blame the Dems for division, when Paul himself is very anti-war, especially against the Iraq War. In fact, Paul's isolationism is most of the reason why Paul has some support among liberals.
So if you're going to call Dems divisive over the war, you have to do the same with Paul.
By the way, Libertarianism isn't moderate. After the New Deal, small government politics became radical, because the mainstream seemed to prefer bigger government. Even to this day, Libertarianism is radical, because both liberalism and neoconservatism support big government -- they just do it in different ways.
So Paul is definitely a radical, but that's not always a bad thing. Some radical ideas are necessary for progress.
I find it odd that you blame the Dems for division, when Paul himself is very anti-war, especially against the Iraq War. In fact, Paul's isolationism is most of the reason why Paul has some support among liberals.
So if you're going to call Dems divisive over the war, you have to do the same with Paul.
By the way, Libertarianism isn't moderate. After the New Deal, small government politics became radical, because the mainstream seemed to prefer bigger government. Even to this day, Libertarianism is radical, because both liberalism and neoconservatism support big government -- they just do it in different ways.
So Paul is definitely a radical, but that's not always a bad thing. Some radical ideas are necessary for progress.
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The church apparently takes white people: http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
I agree. Paul is divisive. But he is the closest thing to change, which is what all those people are calling for in that video. A vote either way for Dem or Rep is a vote for more of the same. Plus, as a business major I tend to lean toward libertarian.
Edit: BTW I said that Paul was the closest thing to moderate, not necessarily that he is moderate. He is the only one preaching something different from everyone else. Otherwise, it's just more of the same. Obama just says it in a prettier way.
Edit: BTW I said that Paul was the closest thing to moderate, not necessarily that he is moderate. He is the only one preaching something different from everyone else. Otherwise, it's just more of the same. Obama just says it in a prettier way.
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I'm definitely libertarian on certain issues. Still, I would argue what Obama brings to the table is unity. This is something unusual in a mainstream candidate. I may disagree with many of his views, but the approach Obama seems to take involves compromise. He's always inclusive with his policy discussions, and he makes an extra point to mention Republicans in his debates. He's not about demonizing his opponents -- he wants to include them in policymaking. So while he may be quite liberal, I see him as the best hope we have for someone willing to work with conservatives to make some progress in things like the Iraq occupation.messfeeder wrote:
I agree. Paul is divisive. But he is the closest thing to change, which is what all those people are calling for in that video. A vote either way for Dem or Rep is a vote for more of the same. Plus, as a business major I tend to lean toward libertarian.
For example, he might support withdrawal as soon as possible, but he's realistic enough to understand that a withdrawal would take about a year to finish. In the meantime, he seems like the kind of guy willing to make some consolations for the Right in order to collaborate on a withdrawal plan that is a happy medium which both sides can agree to.
While Ron may have many good ideas, he doesn't seem very willing to compromise, and that's just not realistic in policymaking.
the sad thing is that a lot of people will choose him because of this video or the Oprah endorsment. Most of the "sheeps" don't even know what his platform is.. or what "change" he is talking about.
There will be no change.. He doesnt even admit that your country is technically bankrupted.. that the foreign policy is wrong etc..
Nothing will change.
Have fun with your new president.. congratulation to at least 10% of the american voters who are smart enuff to vote for Ron Paul.
There will be no change.. He doesnt even admit that your country is technically bankrupted.. that the foreign policy is wrong etc..
Nothing will change.
Have fun with your new president.. congratulation to at least 10% of the american voters who are smart enuff to vote for Ron Paul.
I'm not a fan of AIPAC, but a friend of Obama's by the name of Rev. Wright seems more like the type who supports CAIR. I guess Obama fits somewhere in between them. He's certainly not a Zionist, but he's not in support of the Islamic terror that the Palestinians propagate either.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
the sad thing is that a lot of people will choose him because of this video or the Oprah endorsment. Most of the "sheeps" don't even know what his platform is.. or what "change" he is talking about.
There will be no change.. He doesnt even admit that your country is technically bankrupted.. that the foreign policy is wrong etc..
Nothing will change.
Have fun with your new president.. congratulation to at least 10% of the american voters who are smart enuff to vote for Ron Paul.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/ih … _aipac.jpg
Either way, ending the Federal Reserve and becoming isolationist does not solve our problems, contrary to what many Paul supporters seem to believe.
Dude.... you can say that about sooooooo many politicians in this country.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
the sad thing is that a lot of people will choose him because of this video or the Oprah endorsment. Most of the "sheeps" don't even know what his platform is.. or what "change" he is talking about.
The fact is, there are always "sheep" who will support someone because of one belief or characteristic. You can say that McCain is only in his position because he was a POW. You can say Hillary is only in her position because she's a woman. You can say Obamas in his position because he's black. You can say Romney's only in his position because he's rich (lol).
Please, don't single out Obama. There are plenty of informed people AND sheep voting for every candidate out there. I for one don't give a flying fuck is Oprah endorses Obama (hate her show by the way), but what I do know is that Obama is the candidate I'm supporting.
says the guy that thinks 6 million was not enough.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
the sad thing is that a lot of people will choose him because of this video or the Oprah endorsment. Most of the "sheeps" don't even know what his platform is.. or what "change" he is talking about.
There will be no change.. He doesnt even admit that your country is technically bankrupted.. that the foreign policy is wrong etc..
Nothing will change.
Have fun with your new president.. congratulation to at least 10% of the american voters who are smart enuff to vote for Ron Paul.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/ih … _aipac.jpg
lol...you are on fire today.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
says the guy that thinks 6 million was not enough.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
the sad thing is that a lot of people will choose him because of this video or the Oprah endorsment. Most of the "sheeps" don't even know what his platform is.. or what "change" he is talking about.
There will be no change.. He doesnt even admit that your country is technically bankrupted.. that the foreign policy is wrong etc..
Nothing will change.
Have fun with your new president.. congratulation to at least 10% of the american voters who are smart enuff to vote for Ron Paul.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/ih … _aipac.jpg
funny how he uses a picture of Obama giving a speech for AIPAC as a negative. Too bad the world doesnt care about canadian elections.
i careGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
funny how he uses a picture of Obama giving a speech for AIPAC as a negative. Too bad the world doesnt care about canadian elections.