BF2S Forums Islam's Barbarism is no 'Religion of Peace' an article

This hits close to home because as some of you know I am married to a muslim woman who happens to be from Indonesia. Some of you just don't understand what is going on even inside of the muslim religion between radical and secular muslims. I think most intelligent people understand the difference between the two and would understand that of course not all muslims are terrorists or hate the west..etc., etc., etc....But you have to take a look at what is going on even inside of Indonesia and this touches my family first hand. Radical Islam is not just taking hold in middle eastern countries but it is trying to take hold pretty much every where STARTING with trying to change secular muslim communities, wherever they may be, into a strict from of Islam and how do they do this? Radicalism! Why is radical Islam fighting inside Indonesia...why do they terrorize christians and fellow muslims.

That is right,,,,my wife's family has been threatened just because they use internet shops or go to a theater to watch movies. In their own country, they do not feel safe from their own kind. As I recall, there are no occupation forces there and the country is in fact the largest muslim country in the world. The problem is that radical Islam has a goal that they stand by and its to convert every person and every country into a Muslim world ruled by a strict form of muslim laws. If you don't follow then you will be destroyed. Its not about America being in Iraq or Afghanistan and it won't stop even if every single white christian/jew left that region. It will continue and that is their goal.

Radical Islam IS a problem in Indonesia for no other reason than their stated goals. All you have to do is look in almost any country and their are footholds being placed in them. Radical Islam is reaching its ugly head into many societies and many secular communities in many countries. I understand that most muslims are peaceful but they are under the same threat non muslims are.

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

This hits close to home because as some of you know I am married to a muslim woman who happens to be from Indonesia. Some of you just don't understand what is going on even inside of the muslim religion between radical and secular muslims. I think most intelligent people understand the difference between the two and would understand that of course not all muslims are terrorists or hate the west..etc., etc., etc....But you have to take a look at what is going on even inside of Indonesia and this touches my family first hand. Radical Islam is not just taking hold in middle eastern countries but it is trying to take hold pretty much every where STARTING with trying to change secular muslim communities, wherever they may be, into a strict from of Islam and how do they do this? Radicalism! Why is radical Islam fighting inside Indonesia...why do they terrorize christians and fellow muslims.

That is right,,,,my wife's family has been threatened just because they use internet shops or go to a theater to watch movies. In their own country, they do not feel safe from their own kind. As I recall, there are no occupation forces there and the country is in fact the largest muslim country in the world. The problem is that radical Islam has a goal that they stand by and its to convert every person and every country into a Muslim world ruled by a strict form of muslim laws. If you don't follow then you will be destroyed. Its not about America being in Iraq or Afghanistan and it won't stop even if every single white christian/jew left that region. It will continue and that is their goal.

Radical Islam IS a problem in Indonesia for no other reason than their stated goals. All you have to do is look in almost any country and their are footholds being placed in them. Radical Islam is reaching its ugly head into many societies and many secular communities in many countries. I understand that most muslims are peaceful but they are under the same threat non muslims are.

Don't try and tell that to "Camronpoe, and the bury your heads in the sand" band. According to them radical Islam is insignifant and needs to treateds as just a common criminal, nothing more.

lowing wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

This hits close to home because as some of you know I am married to a muslim woman who happens to be from Indonesia. Some of you just don't understand what is going on even inside of the muslim religion between radical and secular muslims. I think most intelligent people understand the difference between the two and would understand that of course not all muslims are terrorists or hate the west..etc., etc., etc....But you have to take a look at what is going on even inside of Indonesia and this touches my family first hand. Radical Islam is not just taking hold in middle eastern countries but it is trying to take hold pretty much every where STARTING with trying to change secular muslim communities, wherever they may be, into a strict from of Islam and how do they do this? Radicalism! Why is radical Islam fighting inside Indonesia...why do they terrorize christians and fellow muslims.

That is right,,,,my wife's family has been threatened just because they use internet shops or go to a theater to watch movies. In their own country, they do not feel safe from their own kind. As I recall, there are no occupation forces there and the country is in fact the largest muslim country in the world. The problem is that radical Islam has a goal that they stand by and its to convert every person and every country into a Muslim world ruled by a strict form of muslim laws. If you don't follow then you will be destroyed. Its not about America being in Iraq or Afghanistan and it won't stop even if every single white christian/jew left that region. It will continue and that is their goal.

Radical Islam IS a problem in Indonesia for no other reason than their stated goals. All you have to do is look in almost any country and their are footholds being placed in them. Radical Islam is reaching its ugly head into many societies and many secular communities in many countries. I understand that most muslims are peaceful but they are under the same threat non muslims are.

Don't try and tell that to "Camronpoe, and the bury your heads in the sand" band. According to them radical Islam is insignifant and needs to treateds as just a common criminal, nothing more.

Eh .. did you even read what you just responded to lowing ?

Neither Poe, myself or any of the "feel good crew" have ever supported radical Islam - our point is that there is a difference between radical and secular Muslims, and believe or not lowing most Muslims aren't radical ...

LividBovine wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

True Words

I suggest that anyone who wants to learn more about why Islam is a threat to every other religion, read the book "
The Crisis of Islam" by Bernard Lewis.  Great background on Islamic states and the middle east as a whole.

Bernard Lewis is a Jewish right wing cock, policy advisor to Bush.  Fuck him.

And his interpretation of the Armenian Genocide was "a by product of war"

lowing wrote:

Don't try and tell that to "Camronpoe, and the bury your heads in the sand" band. According to them radical Islam is insignifant and needs to treateds as just a common criminal, nothing more.

lol. If you can point to a denial on my part that anti-western terrorism with its roots in the middle east takes place then indulge me... It is criminality though you're right. What do you regard it as exactly if you don't regard murder as a criminal act?

The number of murders relating to terrorism in Europe and the United States is ludicrously small in comparison with the levels of passion-driven, insanity-driven and felony-driven homicide that currently exist. I have trust in the only organisations that can combat this phenomenon - the police and the intelligence community. Your "The sky is falling in" fearmongering I find quite amusing.

Lowing seems to have a lot in common with the extremist terrorist in one regard - both are attempting to breed hatred and seeking to divide/alienate.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-01-22 05:56:09)

M.O.A.B wrote:

terrorism, barbaric acts of total nutjobs

And that doesn't constitute criminality how exactly?

M.O.A.B wrote:

Did I say it wasn't a criminal act? nope

So what were you referring to in my post? What point were you addressing/disagreeing with?

M.O.A.B wrote:

Nothing, otherwise I would have quoted it, I'm addressing the fact of what terrorists are.

But to be perfectly honest, treating terrorism as you would any other high profile crime is the wrong thing to do imo. It should be seen and handled differently and with a lot harsher methods.

Well I'm all ears!!!! I don't really see how you can do much better than apprehending and life-imprisoning the criminals, seizing their assets, restricting suspected criminals freedom of movement and monitoring the activities of known/suspected militants in order to prevent acts of terrorism. Enlighten me as to this solution you have.

M.O.A.B wrote:

lol wtf over the top a bit eh? I never said I had a solution, if I said 'we should live on the moon' that doesn't mean I know how to do it does it? Deportation is a good thing for them, then when they get back to their own country they should be imprisoned there. Or you could use the old fashioned method and bring in the firing squad.

THe kinds of people that perpetrate acts of terrorism in the west are often actually citizens of western nations so there is no 'country to send them back to'. I don't agree with the death penalty so I prefer life-imprisonment with no possibility of release.

Executing terrorists doesnt stop the extremist.  In their eyes, when we execute them they become Martyrs.  So execution wouldnt deter them, because they are willing to die to defend what they believe in (which ISNT mainstream Islam).

M.O.A.B wrote:

adam1503 wrote:

Executing terrorists doesnt stop the extremist.  In their eyes, when we execute them they become Martyrs.  So execution wouldnt deter them, because they are willing to die to defend what they believe in (which ISNT mainstream Islam).

Imprisoning them doesn't stop them either. If you dispatch them then theres at least one less.

Err yes it does.  He/she is imprisoned they really can't band together as much.  Killing one motivates 1000 others as they have become martyred.  Someone who has sacrificed themselves for their belief....motivating stuff.

Last edited by m3thod (2008-01-22 06:17:44)

adam1503 wrote:

Executing terrorists doesnt stop the extremist.  In their eyes, when we execute them they become Martyrs.  So execution wouldnt deter them, because they are willing to die to defend what they believe in (which ISNT mainstream Islam).

I don't they really do though, that "martyr" crap is just putting a brave face on it and not accepting defeat.  Well at least to the people running the show, the brain-washed foot soldiers might believe it.  The Taliban wouldn't be given us so much grief if they were actually that stsupid.