Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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A top US anti-drugs official has accused Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez of being a "major facilitator" of the trade in cocaine.
The official, John Walters, said Venezuela had become "a haven" for shipments of cocaine manufactured in neighbouring Colombia.
Venezuela rejects the charges, saying it is the victim of traffickers.
But Mr Walters, speaking on a visit to Colombia, said failure to deal with the problem amounted to complicity.

Mr Walters, director of the US Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP), was meeting Colombian President Alvaro Uribe.
US officials say about one third of Colombia's output of 600 tonnes of cocaine a year now passes through Venezuela, most of it going to America and Europe.

'Colluding'
Mr Walters said Mr Chavez had failed to root out corrupt officials or to deny Venezuelan ports and airfields to smugglers.
Such failure, he said, came from more than neglect.
"It goes beyond 'I can't do it' to 'I won't do it'. And 'I won't do it' means that 'I am colluding'," Mr Walters said.
"I think it is about time to face up to the fact that President Chavez is becoming a major facilitator of the transit of cocaine to Europe and other parts of this hemisphere."
Mr Walters' declaration served two purposes, says the BBC's Jeremy McDermott in Colombia.

The first is to support Colombia's President Uribe, a key regional ally.
Colombia's relations with Venezuela have all but disintegrated amid fears that Mr Chavez may start actively supporting Marxist guerrillas who are trying to overthrow the Colombian state.
The second is to berate Mr Chavez publicly for not co-operating with Washington's region-wide drug strategy.
Relations between Venezuela and the US are now so poor that US drug enforcement agents can hardly operate in the country, our correspondent says.
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7198768.stm

Why don't Americans just stop buying drugs? Or maybe control thier own ports and airfields where the stuff comes in?
Fuck Israel
CameronPoe
Member
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Typical US government pap. I do not believe for one second that Chavez is involved in drugs. 'Communists' are typically virulently anti-drugs. Both the US and Venezuela need to grow out of their tit-for-tat playground media antics.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-01-21 03:48:09)

FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

I think it's a stretch to say Chavez's government is complicit, but most of the Colombian traffickers have shifted their major routes so that their Caribbean routes run through Venezuela.

It's cold, but I didn't realize Hell had frozen over. I agree with Dilbert...at least partially.

The airfields you mention, though, are everything from municipal airports to dirt strips in the middle of nowhere. It is logistically impossible to control them all. Just as with ports...it is logistically impossible to search every container and still maintain any kind of flow through the port.

There are two places you can interdict this stuff most effectively: the source and the destination.
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CameronPoe
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FEOS wrote:

I think it's a stretch to say Chavez's government is complicit, but most of the Colombian traffickers have shifted their major routes so that their Caribbean routes run through Venezuela.

It's cold, but I didn't realize Hell had frozen over. I agree with Dilbert...at least partially.

The airfields you mention, though, are everything from municipal airports to dirt strips in the middle of nowhere. It is logistically impossible to control them all. Just as with ports...it is logistically impossible to search every container and still maintain any kind of flow through the port.

There are two places you can interdict this stuff most effectively: the source and the destination.
I find that hard to believe given that Western Colombia is the major drug production zone with Venezuela buffered against that region by the right wing sphere of control of Alvaro Uribe. Most traffic goes up the coast of Panamá. Having been to Panamá a couple of times and having dated a Panamanian girl (i.e. I wasn't just a tourist looking in on the country from the outside, I lived with her family while there) I know what a huge problem Colombia is for their country.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-01-21 03:51:42)

Dersmikner
Member
+147|6803|Texas
I think the guy is a raging shitbag, a petty thug, a worthless Marxist in the classic twisted Orwellian sense of the word insomuch as he's all for everyone having the same amount of shit (read: nothing) except for his affluence-showered ruling cadre, and he probably gives some tacit approval to the drug trade because he has to or his economy would collapse and his power would disappear, but I doubt he's giving anything more than a look the other way to the drug trade.

He still needs to be raped and killed though.
m3thod
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Most other countries try to control their own borders and live with it.
Ok, now you are pissing me off with your stupid ass statements.  You are so anti-American it is unbelievable.  The name dilbert fits you perfectly.
He's right though.  Your borders are a more porous than the titanic.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
usmarine
Banned
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m3thod wrote:

He's right though.  Your borders are a more porous than the titanic.
Also big as hell.  So to compare to other countries which have 1/10 of the border size, or are surrounded by water on all sides is retarded.
CameronPoe
Member
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usmarine2005 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

He's right though.  Your borders are a more porous than the titanic.
Also big as hell.  So to compare to other countries which have 1/10 of the border size, or are surrounded by water on all sides is retarded.
Yeah it must be really tough for each country-sized state to look after there own section of border. Really tough.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-01-21 07:52:15)

usmarine
Banned
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Ok Cam, so no other country has border problems.  Right.
CameronPoe
Member
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usmarine2005 wrote:

Ok Cam, so no other country has border problems.  Right.
They seem to handle them better than you guys, but that's your business. Your federal government is on the case I hear.
usmarine
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CameronPoe wrote:

Your federal government is on the case I hear.
So your boy serge gets banned and you are just going to make smart ass comments from now on?
CameronPoe
Member
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usmarine2005 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Your federal government is on the case I hear.
So your boy serge gets banned and you are just going to make smart ass comments from now on?
You won't find me violating forum rules usmarine. I'm far smarter than that. Where in the rules does it state that being sarcastic/sardonic has been outlawed?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-01-21 08:01:49)

usmarine
Banned
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CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Your federal government is on the case I hear.
So your boy serge gets banned and you are just going to make smart ass comments from now on?
You won't find me violating forum rules usmarine. I'm far smarter than that. Where in the rules does it state that being sarcastic/sardonic has been outlawed?
I did not say anything about the rules did I?  What are you reading?

Anyway, since you mentioned rules...this could be considered spam.

CameronPoe wrote:

Only on Japs and Muslims.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

I think it's a stretch to say Chavez's government is complicit, but most of the Colombian traffickers have shifted their major routes so that their Caribbean routes run through Venezuela.

It's cold, but I didn't realize Hell had frozen over. I agree with Dilbert...at least partially.

The airfields you mention, though, are everything from municipal airports to dirt strips in the middle of nowhere. It is logistically impossible to control them all. Just as with ports...it is logistically impossible to search every container and still maintain any kind of flow through the port.

There are two places you can interdict this stuff most effectively: the source and the destination.
I find that hard to believe given that Western Colombia is the major drug production zone with Venezuela buffered against that region by the right wing sphere of control of Alvaro Uribe. Most traffic goes up the coast of Panamá. Having been to Panamá a couple of times and having dated a Panamanian girl (i.e. I wasn't just a tourist looking in on the country from the outside, I lived with her family while there) I know what a huge problem Colombia is for their country.
Just because you find it hard to believe doesn't make it true. I've been to both Panama and Colombia. I've also been to the Caribbean. Spent considerable time in all places. None of those were for pleasure...all were counterdrug operations.

Unless something has changed radically in the past few years, the drug cartels have shifted their major routes from the land bridge (through Panama and Central America) to running through Venezuela and up through the Caribbean. When did it change? When Chavez took over.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6976|UK

usmarine2005 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Your federal government is on the case I hear.
So your boy serge gets banned and you are just going to make smart ass comments from now on?
Serge isn't banned genius.  And....

A) He doesn't need to donate an obsence amount to prevent himself being banned unlike yourself.
B) You're giving CP a hard time about smart ass comments? Please.

Now back on topic guv.

edit

whoever left karmaz....his member title still reads cowboy from hell, if he was banned it would read banned.

Last edited by m3thod (2008-01-21 08:23:07)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
usmarine
Banned
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m3thod wrote:

Serge isn't banned genius.  And....

A) He doesn't need to donate an obsence amount to prevent himself being banned unlike yourself.
Well Alpha said he was on a break, which implies ban.  And yes...he is banned genius.  I have been banned plenty of times...and so have you.

And once again I was not talking to you.  Obsessed.

Last edited by usmarine2005 (2008-01-21 08:36:13)

PureFodder
Member
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usmarine2005 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

He's right though.  Your borders are a more porous than the titanic.
Also big as hell.  So to compare to other countries which have 1/10 of the border size, or are surrounded by water on all sides is retarded.
Actually, as far as securing your border, the bigger the couintry, the easier it is to secure. Roughly speaking perimeters are proportional to diameter, area is proportional to diameter squared.

Put another way. If the US annexed Canada, now it has the same population and resources as the two seperate countries, but nobody has to secure the US Canada border, hence increasing the size makes securing the border easier.

The only genuine defence the US has for lax border security is the low population density.
sinnik
Member
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Dersmikner wrote:

I think the guy is a raging shitbag, a petty thug, a worthless Marxist in the classic twisted Orwellian sense of the word insomuch as he's all for everyone having the same amount of shit (read: nothing) except for his affluence-showered ruling cadre, and he probably gives some tacit approval to the drug trade because he has to or his economy would collapse and his power would disappear, but I doubt he's giving anything more than a look the other way to the drug trade.

He still needs to be raped and killed though.
Hmm yeah... he really needs the money from the drug trade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_So … ies_by_GDP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela#Economy

Nothing to do with the fact that Venezuela is now supplying all the energy needs of Cuba is it?
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
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usmarine2005 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Serge isn't banned genius.  And....

A) He doesn't need to donate an obsence amount to prevent himself being banned unlike yourself.
Well Alpha said he was on a break, which implies ban.  And yes...he is banned genius.  I have been banned plenty of times...and so have you.

And once again I was not talking to you.  Obsessed.
Serge's member title does not state banned....what Alpha said and what Alpha has done are 2 very different things....in fact Schuss was going to ban your ass for going off on one your childish hissy fits again, but that never materialised.

It's a fucking forum you don't have to ask permission to respond to ANY post.  And yes i do give you special treatment i enjoy fucking with your feeble brain.

Get used to it darling, we're in for the long stretch.

Last edited by m3thod (2008-01-21 10:41:09)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
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Actually when I was banned it didn't say Banned in my title. Or so I was told. Maybe there's two different types.
m3thod
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+2,197|6976|UK

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Actually when I was banned it didn't say Banned in my title. Or so I was told. Maybe there's two different types.


u sure?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6989|United States of America
If he wasn't surely he would have posted at least one time by now

I thought you would have gathered that in addition to that first karma I gave you

Last edited by DesertFox- (2008-01-21 10:44:51)

usmarine
Banned
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m3thod wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Actually when I was banned it didn't say Banned in my title. Or so I was told. Maybe there's two different types.


u sure?
Let's ban m3thod just for a test and see.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6976|UK

usmarine2005 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Actually when I was banned it didn't say Banned in my title. Or so I was told. Maybe there's two different types.


u sure?
Let's ban m3thod just for a test and see.
They cant.  Me and you are in the special 'we donated a fuckload of money and no one can ban us anymore' club.

Hug me.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Dilbert_X wrote:

Why don't Americans just stop buying drugs? Or maybe control thier own ports and airfields where the stuff comes in?
Better question: Why don't we phase out the War on Drugs?

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