Poll

BTEC > GCSE, agree?

I concur!17%17% - 14
No, faggot27%27% - 22
wats a BTEC8%8% - 7
wats a GCSE0%0% - 0
wats a GCSE/BTEC?35%35% - 28
wats a poll?10%10% - 8
Total: 79
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|6637|Birmingham, UK

The Sheriff wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Revising will be fine for me and the greater recognition of GCSEs are more useful to me if I ever should apply for a university.
GCSE's mean nothing when applying to uni, the admissions officer doesn't even glance at them. All you need is A-Levels.
I laughed so hard when I read that - you do know that the first sift of applications is done on your GCSE results as when you apply you don't even have finished AS-levels (or equivalent), let alone actual A-level results.
So, actually - you fool - the GCSE results are extremely useful given that your A-levels are predictions - you have to achieve what they want you to, but that shouldn't be so hard.

The Sheriff wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Good luck with whatever your BTECs will get you...
A job.
But what will his quality/standard of living be compared to if he did the equivalent work at GCSE rather than BTEC, I wonder?
Any old fool can get a job, but who can get a good one they enjoy and lets them do what they want to?
SamTheMan:D
Banned
+856|5987|England

TheDarkRaven wrote:

The Sheriff wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Revising will be fine for me and the greater recognition of GCSEs are more useful to me if I ever should apply for a university.
GCSE's mean nothing when applying to uni, the admissions officer doesn't even glance at them. All you need is A-Levels.
I laughed so hard when I read that - you do know that the first sift of applications is done on your GCSE results as when you apply you don't even have finished AS-levels (or equivalent), let alone actual A-level results.
So, actually - you fool - the GCSE results are extremely useful given that your A-levels are predictions - you have to achieve what they want you to, but that shouldn't be so hard.

The Sheriff wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Good luck with whatever your BTECs will get you...
A job.
But what will his quality/standard of living be compared to if he did the equivalent work at GCSE rather than BTEC, I wonder?
Any old fool can get a job, but who can get a good one they enjoy and lets them do what they want to?
Me
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|6637|Birmingham, UK

SamTheMan:D wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

SamTheMan:D wrote:

Good luck revising

+ If what your bad at is on the paper, your screwed! LOL LOL
So... when I got the joint highest mark in my year for the English SAT - and one of the highest in my year - without revising, I should be scared?
Oh, and not to boast but I go to one of the best schools in the country - I know everything I need to to A* standard in every subject (well, not French since that's such a horrid language).
Revising will be fine for me and the greater recognition of GCSEs are more useful to me if I ever should apply for a university.

Good luck with whatever your BTECs will get you...
3 A levels.

Thanks
And I'll have 5 (maybe 6)...
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|6637|Birmingham, UK

SamTheMan:D wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

The Sheriff wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Revising will be fine for me and the greater recognition of GCSEs are more useful to me if I ever should apply for a university.
GCSE's mean nothing when applying to uni, the admissions officer doesn't even glance at them. All you need is A-Levels.
I laughed so hard when I read that - you do know that the first sift of applications is done on your GCSE results as when you apply you don't even have finished AS-levels (or equivalent), let alone actual A-level results.
So, actually - you fool - the GCSE results are extremely useful given that your A-levels are predictions - you have to achieve what they want you to, but that shouldn't be so hard.

The Sheriff wrote:


A job.
But what will his quality/standard of living be compared to if he did the equivalent work at GCSE rather than BTEC, I wonder?
Any old fool can get a job, but who can get a good one they enjoy and lets them do what they want to?
Me
Awesome, then, to be honest.

Still, that doesn't mean BTEC is better than GCSE - in fact, you're practically conceding the point with your answer.
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6502|Gogledd Cymru

TheDarkRaven wrote:

The Sheriff wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Revising will be fine for me and the greater recognition of GCSEs are more useful to me if I ever should apply for a university.
GCSE's mean nothing when applying to uni, the admissions officer doesn't even glance at them. All you need is A-Levels.
I laughed so hard when I read that - you do know that the first sift of applications is done on your GCSE results as when you apply you don't even have finished AS-levels (or equivalent), let alone actual A-level results.
So, actually - you fool - the GCSE results are extremely useful given that your A-levels are predictions - you have to achieve what they want you to, but that shouldn't be so hard.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Seriously how old are you? What year are you in?

I've been through the process of applying to uni you dickhole, you don't even need to put GCSE grades on your ucas form.
As a matter of fact, you can't apply before september 1st, which means you have your as results.
The offers made by the university is judged more by interviews, AS results and personal statement than anything, you only need to achieve the grades/points that they offer to you. Stop trying to be such a smartass and get your facts straight.

Edit: Darkraven, do you even live in the UK, you know fuckall about the schooling system.

Last edited by The Sheriff (2008-01-11 14:42:24)

SamTheMan:D
Banned
+856|5987|England

TheDarkRaven wrote:

SamTheMan:D wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:


So... when I got the joint highest mark in my year for the English SAT - and one of the highest in my year - without revising, I should be scared?
Oh, and not to boast but I go to one of the best schools in the country - I know everything I need to to A* standard in every subject (well, not French since that's such a horrid language).
Revising will be fine for me and the greater recognition of GCSEs are more useful to me if I ever should apply for a university.

Good luck with whatever your BTECs will get you...
3 A levels.

Thanks
And I'll have 5 (maybe 6)...
Then what..?
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6502|Gogledd Cymru

TheDarkRaven wrote:

But what will his quality/standard of living be compared to if he did the equivalent work at GCSE rather than BTEC, I wonder?
Any old fool can get a job, but who can get a good one they enjoy and lets them do what they want to?
Well, since there is a huge gap in the market for plumbers/sparkys/joiners etc. All of which you can get a job as by doing a BTEC then i'd say he has a far better quality of life by doing a BTEC instead of looking for a job after his GCSE's. BTEC's come after GCSE's btw.
A BTEC also gives you access to becoming a police officer, or another civil servant, like Samtheman.

TheDarkRaven wrote:

And I'll have 5 (maybe 6)...
No you won't, the maximum universities recognise is 3. And if they use a points system, then 3 A-levels and one AS level, which you don't carry on to A2.

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Still, that doesn't mean BTEC is better than GCSE - in fact, you're practically conceding the point with your answer.
Yes it does, you fuckwit.
You need GCSE's to get onto a BTEC or equivalent course.

Last edited by The Sheriff (2008-01-11 14:50:43)

jord
Member
+2,382|6691|The North, beyond the wall.

The Sheriff wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

But what will his quality/standard of living be compared to if he did the equivalent work at GCSE rather than BTEC, I wonder?
Any old fool can get a job, but who can get a good one they enjoy and lets them do what they want to?
Well, since there is a huge gap in the market for plumbers/sparkys/joiners etc. All of which you can get a job as by doing a BTEC then i'd say he has a far better quality of life by doing a BTEC instead of looking for a job after his GCSE's. BTEC's come after GCSE's btw.

TheDarkRaven wrote:

And I'll have 5 (maybe 6)...
No you won't, the maximum universities recognise is 3. And if they use a points system, then 3 A-levels and one AS level, which you don't carry on to A2.

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Still, that doesn't mean BTEC is better than GCSE - in fact, you're practically conceding the point with your answer.
Yes it does, you fuckwit.
You need GCSE's to get onto a BTEC or equivalent course.
I did a BTEC in year 11 to be honest...
Kurazoo
Pheasant Plucker
+440|6697|West Yorkshire, U.K
I do BTEC National diploma in IT, much better than GCSES!
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|6637|Birmingham, UK

jord wrote:

The Sheriff wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Still, that doesn't mean BTEC is better than GCSE.
Yes it does, you fuckwit.
You need GCSE's to get onto a BTEC or equivalent course.
I did a BTEC in year 11 to be honest...
He speaketh the truth. Hell, one of my friends did GCSE Maths when he was in Year 6 - and got an A.

And I must apologise for not knowing enough about the BTEC system - however, is this thread thus pointless as it should then be compared to A-level rather than GCSE-level if what you say is correct, Surg?
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6502|Gogledd Cymru

TheDarkRaven wrote:

however, is this thread thus pointless as it should then be compared to A-level rather than GCSE-level if what you say is correct, Surg?
Yes, a BTEC is a course taken at college, as are A-levels.
BRiiNDED
Member
+137|6137

Kurazoo wrote:

I do BTEC National diploma in IT, much better than GCSES!
me too lol
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|6637|Birmingham, UK

The Sheriff wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

The Sheriff wrote:


GCSE's mean nothing when applying to uni, the admissions officer doesn't even glance at them. All you need is A-Levels.
I laughed so hard when I read that - you do know that the first sift of applications is done on your GCSE results as when you apply you don't even have finished AS-levels (or equivalent), let alone actual A-level results.
So, actually - you fool - the GCSE results are extremely useful given that your A-levels are predictions - you have to achieve what they want you to, but that shouldn't be so hard.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Seriously how old are you? What year are you in?

I've been through the process of applying to uni you dickhole, you don't even need to put GCSE grades on your ucas form.
As a matter of fact, you can't apply before september 1st, which means you have your as results.
The offers made by the university is judged more by interviews, AS results and personal statement than anything, you only need to achieve the grades/points that they offer to you. Stop trying to be such a smartass and get your facts straight.

Edit: Darkraven, do you even live in the UK, you know fuckall about the schooling system.
Sense.
16. Year 11.

Well, from many talks to my sixth form friends (yes, my school has a sixth form) many universities require you to put down your GCSE results. Also, you may be re-sitting AS modules, so you can't say you have those results. And - you blasted fool - I never said that relied solely on GCSE results as you are so implying I said but that it accounts for the initial sift. Sure, then they'll look to other factors such as the interview and personal statement, but it is often the GCSE results that gives the first sift of candidates. I do have my facts straight, if my many sources are accurate.

Yes, I do live in the UK, you could damn well use your eyes for once and look on over there (<-------) and see I live tin Birmingham, UK.


The Sheriff wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

But what will his quality/standard of living be compared to if he did the equivalent work at GCSE rather than BTEC, I wonder?
Any old fool can get a job, but who can get a good one they enjoy and lets them do what they want to?
Well, since there is a huge gap in the market for plumbers/sparkys/joiners etc. All of which you can get a job as by doing a BTEC then i'd say he has a far better quality of life by doing a BTEC instead of looking for a job after his GCSE's. BTEC's come after GCSE's btw.
A BTEC also gives you access to becoming a police officer, or another civil servant, like Samtheman.

TheDarkRaven wrote:

And I'll have 5 (maybe 6)...
No you won't, the maximum universities recognise is 3. And if they use a points system, then 3 A-levels and one AS level, which you don't carry on to A2.
I won't have 5 or 6, eh? Are you telling me what education I'll get? Perhaps they may only recognise some - but at least make your point clear and in English if possible. The rest is all good.


At least we see eye-to-eye that this thread is pointless.
0akleaves
Member
+183|6626|Newcastle UK
yes since i got  a disctinction at ict btec in year 11 ie 2 gcses but about the difficulty of an alevel, year 12 and 12 (now) doing btec certificate in ict which is 2 a levels but the difficulty of a uni course.

edit you do put ur gcse's on ur ucas form i done myn a week b4 xmas so thats a fact.

Last edited by 0akleaves (2008-01-11 15:14:13)

You have to learn the rules of the game and then you have to play better than anyone else.
jord
Member
+2,382|6691|The North, beyond the wall.
I keep reading you're posts like I would a rap.

Spent way too much time in that MC thread...
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6684|UK
You're not going to get into any decent universities with a BTech.  In fact when i was doing A levels we used to mock the BTech or GNVQ dorks.

Enjoy packing sausages at the local factory.

Last edited by m3thod (2008-01-11 15:15:33)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
SamTheMan:D
Banned
+856|5987|England

m3thod wrote:

You're not going to get into any decent universities with a BTech.  In fact when i was doing A levels we used to mock the BTech or GNVQ dorks.

Enjoy packing sausages at the local factory.
This isn't BTech, its BTEC.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6684|UK

SamTheMan:D wrote:

m3thod wrote:

You're not going to get into any decent universities with a BTech.  In fact when i was doing A levels we used to mock the BTech or GNVQ dorks.

Enjoy packing sausages at the local factory.
This isn't BTech, its BTEC.
Same old wank.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6502|Gogledd Cymru

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Well, from many talks to my sixth form friends (yes, my school has a sixth form) many universities require you to put down your GCSE results. Also, you may be re-sitting AS modules, so you can't say you have those results. And - you blasted fool - I never said that relied solely on GCSE results as you are so implying I said but that it accounts for the initial sift. Sure, then they'll look to other factors such as the interview and personal statement, but it is often the GCSE results that gives the first sift of candidates. I do have my facts straight, if my many sources are accurate.
Universities don't ask for the GCSE results, you apply through www.ucas.com, and GCSE results are non-compulsary, Yes, you can resit the AS modules but you still have to put down what grade you got initially overall, and "Pending" on the result for the module you are resitting, so if you are resitting one like I resat CH2, i put down C overall, C for CH2, A for CH3, Pending for CH2.

TheDarkRaven wrote:

it is often the GCSE results that gives the first sift of candidates.
Nope, none whatsoever, and what do you base these thoughts about the sorting process on, have you ever contacted any of the universities? Any admissions officers? If you have, then you are misguided.

TheDarkRaven wrote:

I won't have 5 or 6, eh? Are you telling me what education I'll get? Perhaps they may only recognise some - but at least make your point clear and in English if possible. The rest is all good. At least we see eye-to-eye that this thread is pointless.
You can only take a maximum of 5 AS levels, even then a miniscule minority take 5 AS, and the ones that do have to learn it in their own free time. You cannot sit 6 A2 exams, even if you were allowed to it would be retarded to, universities with the exception of Oxford/Cambridge/Kings College etc only use 4 to sort out the Candidates with 3 A's.
SamTheMan:D
Banned
+856|5987|England

Wiki wrote:

The Business & Technology Education Council (BTEC) was a subdegree-conferring council in the United Kingdom until 1996, when its functions were transferred to Edexcel. The council offered further and higher education awards, particularly to polytechnics, and in particular the BTEC Nationals and BTEC Higher Nationals awards which remain prominent. It is not to be confused with BTech.
presidentsheep
Back to the Fuhrer
+208|5974|Places 'n such
lol, good luck trying 2 get a decent job with just BTECs
seriously if u were an employer and 2 ppl came 2 u. 1 with decent GCSEs in various subjects and the other had a BTEC... who would you choose??
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
SamTheMan:D
Banned
+856|5987|England

presidentsheep wrote:

lol, good luck trying 2 get a decent job with just BTECs
seriously if u were an employer and 2 ppl came 2 u. 1 with decent GCSEs in various subjects and the other had a BTEC... who would you choose??
BTEC cause its equivilant to A levels

A levels > GCSEs
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6502|Gogledd Cymru

0akleaves wrote:

edit you do put ur gcse's on ur ucas form i done myn a week b4 xmas so thats a fact.
Many people do, all i'm saying is you aren't forced to and there is really no need as universities just don't look at them, they are stupidly easy.

presidentsheep wrote:

lol, good luck trying 2 get a decent job with just BTECs
seriously if u were an employer and 2 ppl came 2 u. 1 with decent GCSEs in various subjects and the other had a BTEC... who would you choose??
You will get a good job with a BTEC, the employers looking at BTEC's are vocational jobs, the one without a BTEC wouldn't get the job, As the one with the BTEC has GCSE's and a course specialised in the job he is going for. GCSE's count for fuckall these days anyway in job interviews.

My dad has been a self employed plumber for 30 years now, he earns a hell of a lot more money than my mum does, who has a degree and a decent job too, My dad did the equivalent of a BTEC, (a city and guilds course) And is very well off.

My brother is finishing his NVQ in plumbing and central heating next july, he will also be well off, as it is well known that there is a huge gap in the market for these tradesmen.
presidentsheep
Back to the Fuhrer
+208|5974|Places 'n such

SamTheMan:D wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

lol, good luck trying 2 get a decent job with just BTECs
seriously if u were an employer and 2 ppl came 2 u. 1 with decent GCSEs in various subjects and the other had a BTEC... who would you choose??
BTEC cause its equivilant to A levels

A levels > GCSEs
most unis will take A levels over BTECs, they show a greater academic ability and u definitely have more of a chance getting a good job with a degree than a BTEC

i'll admit BTECs are better than GCSEs, but GCSEs open up more academically and in turn this gets u a better job/life

Last edited by presidentsheep (2008-01-11 15:29:29)

I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
jord
Member
+2,382|6691|The North, beyond the wall.

The Sheriff wrote:

0akleaves wrote:

edit you do put ur gcse's on ur ucas form i done myn a week b4 xmas so thats a fact.
Many people do, all i'm saying is you aren't forced to and there is really no need as universities just don't look at them, they are stupidly easy.

presidentsheep wrote:

lol, good luck trying 2 get a decent job with just BTECs
seriously if u were an employer and 2 ppl came 2 u. 1 with decent GCSEs in various subjects and the other had a BTEC... who would you choose??
You will get a good job with a BTEC, the employers looking at BTEC's are vocational jobs, the one without a BTEC wouldn't get the job, As the one with the BTEC has GCSE's and a course specialised in the job he is going for. GCSE's count for fuckall these days anyway in job interviews.

My dad has been a self employed plumber for 30 years now, he earns a hell of a lot more money than my mum does, who has a degree and a decent job too, My dad did the equivalent of a BTEC, (a city and guilds course) And is very well off.

My brother is finishing his NVQ in plumbing and central heating next july, he will also be well off, as it is well known that there is a huge gap in the market for these tradesmen.
He can come and fix my heating. Haven't had a shower in 3 days.

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