BF2S Forums My honest, no BS opinion of the racial situation in the US

lowing wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

White:

One of the most coddled races by far. In many cases after generations of financial success, they believe that the world is geared toward them and that other races are out to get them and their shallow cultural identity. They have very few trends and traditions solely their own, so either fear other cultures ways or try to assimilate bastardized versions into their own culture.

"Whites", if you wish to group the many white cultures together, have, for better or worse, the strongest culture in the world.  Long ago "white" culture became so successful that it has merged with the other cultures of the world.  "White" culture (Habits, clothing, food, words, art) has been so ingrained in the civilized world that it has become unrecognizable.  The reasons for this are, of coure, the success of early Europe, and the subsequent colonization of the world by Europeans.  Your description of the white "race" reveals an absurd and extremely shallow train of thought. I do not see why everybody is always trying to force this segregationist mentality.

Kinda ironic, and especially if you are white.

lowing wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I agree, but what do you deem the accepted social attitude toward white people?

Now that is an excellent point. but honestly the truth is, what can you say about white people today GENERALLY SPEAKING,  is going to work, dressing acceptably, striving for the American dream a negative attribute now?

It certainly isn't, but the fact that you think that the stereotypical white guy dresses acceptably, strives for the American Dream, and goes to work is technically racist. Do you really know that a larger percentage of whites lead more productive lives than those of minorities?

This was the kind of thing I intended my original post to bring out. It's easy to look at minorities and rant about what is wrong with them, but we don't look at our own race often enough to realize that all races have their problems, and most of the time our problems are the same. We share more common enemies than we are willing to admit.

If dressing in a short sleeve short, and wearing a tie, with a pocket protector fulla pens,  can't dance worth a fuck, and always doing the right thing and being geeky about it, is not the stereotypical white guy how exactly are we perceived? And this is not racist?? WHite people do not dwell on this  as racist. You do not see us always in am uproar when a black guy says racial shit on tv. Really we don't give a shit. It only is mentioned by us to prove a double standard.


I have no idea who leads a more productive life style, but it is abundantly clear that the black community thinks we are all spoon fed opportunity and breaks in life, that we do not work for it or strive to achieve or goals. It is handed to us because we are white.

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kinda ironic, and especially if you are white.

How is it ironic?  And what does my skin color have anything to do with my post?  I disagreed with several of your other steriotypes, but at least those were addressed by other people.  Your description of whites, I am surprised to find, seems generally accepted.

It's ironic because if you are white, you fit into the "coddled race unaware of racism when it's right in front of him". The post was not serious, I don't believe in any of those stereotypes, (or at least, believe they are all just that, stereotypes) I was only drawing attention to how the other racial descriptions are in most cases wide of their mark.

I already told you, I don't agree with most of the steriotypes there, however, I do not see the need for you to elaborate on the thread.  You are basically lending your support to his racist comments and giving them more creedence.  You obviously believe in your steriotypes, otherwise you wouldn't have accused me of being a member of a race that is "unaware of racism when it's right in front of him".

imortal wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

lowing wrote:

You ca nnot speak on an individual basis when dealing with this issue. You can only really deal with accepted attitudes generally speaking for obvious reasons.

It is an accepted social attitude that the black community thinks they are owed something, it is an acceptable social attitude that minorities feel "oppressed". There are always exceptions to every argument, but I think you know this. Those exceptions do not nullify an argument.

Simply, you can not argue on acceptable attitudes because by doing so you can not deny what I have said.

I agree, but what do you deem the accepted social attitude toward white people?

How about an accepted social attitude toward PEOPLE?  When you constantly use race as a defining characteristic, then you continue to group them that way, and search for differences based on race.

CameronPoe wrote:

Here's a question that should give a pretty telling insight into the attitudes of respondents:

Why do white people generally earn a lot more than black people (FACT) in the modern western world?

CameronPoe wrote:

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NantanCochise wrote:

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This may clear up some of the reasons who gets paid more.

I always find it funny that black people can say basically anything they want to white people. For example, "What's up cracka!", "Sup white boy", "Look at this white muthafucka", and basically stuff along those lines. But for a white person to even THINK not to mention SAY something back at them like "yeah, well fuck you nigger" is beyond belief, and would so deeply offend the blacks that called him a "cracka" and such that they would have full confidence, just from that ONE statement, which is basically equivalent to the one they said, that this white person was not only a racist but a white supremacist. Then someone like Don Imus comes along, says ONE phrase about "black people" (two of the Rutger's womens basketball players, including the team leader, are white), and now he's a racist! It's all implied racism, meaning the statement itself is not or is not meant to be racist, but black people take it as a racial slur. For another example, if Don Imus came on and said "That Rutgers womens basketball team - what a bunch of niggers." THAT would be racist (and innaccurate). Saying "nappy-headed hos" is NOT an anti-black statement. It has been taken that way because of the way the black community acts and speaks. It's almost like the beginning of the word "nigga" finding it's way into white people's mouths. But what do, or what should, blacks expect when those words or phrases are all over TV, radio, stores, games - you name it. The more exposure something "cool" has to the public, the more it grows, and the more people strive to look, act, or have whatever that "cool" characteristic or thing is, including the whites. The black community needs a big wake up call. They themselves often fuel the "race war" between whites and blacks, by assuming EVERY white person is a racist. Things like this "hos" comment would be anything but looked down upon if it was a line in a rap song. ANYONE who has EVER heard a modern rap song knows this. I wouldn't be surprised if it WAS an EXACT line out of a popular modern rap song.

The point is, the race war is most likely never going to end. The thing black people don't seem to understand (at large) is that yeah, we fucked up. We used you as slaves. We're sorry. But when black people want "an end to racism", they need to stop treating white people today like WE, the white people alive today, are still oppressing them. WE'RE NOT. And as for this womens basketball team, learn to take a joke. You dont need to go make a press conference because of some old radio hosts joke. This political correctness needs to either calm down, or be equally applying to all races, cultures, and creeds.

First, let me start by saying I am not a racist, as in being prejudice to people based on their skin. But, in all honesty, what the hell is wrong with (MOST) black people? I know it doesn't sound appropriate saying that, but you can't blame me when it's not just a part of a culture - it IS the culture. Granted, there are plenty of black people who DON'T act like this, and are decent, law-abiding citizens. It's not prejudice, ignorant, racist, labeling, or lying to say that MOST of the black "community" is this way. Every time I pass by a school around the time the kids get out, there are serveral groups of black kids walking home (I live in California, in a very "minoritized" area). Without a doubt, the guys will have the 10-sizes-too-big pants, T-shirt that could double as a womans dress, and a hat that's tilted in some way other than normal. The girls will usually have on tight blue jeans with the ankles rolled up, a short sleeve, tight shirt that some should not be wearing (because of their weight, not race), and their hair in some way that, in my and many other peoples' opinions, looks like crap. These aren't stereotypes. They are simple observations and facts.

Other than the ridiculous way of dress, the way they act and speak is almost appalling. As for the way they act, I don't know what they expect from white people anymore. Everything we do to them or say at them or whatever, is about race. It's like ALL white people are racists. What gets me is when black people call each other "nigga" or "nigger". You'd think, since that was the deragatory term used for them way back when, they would HATE that word. But, that almost replaces their names now.. Another thing that gets me is how its fine for them to call us "cracker", "whitey" or whatever, but the INSTANT we even say "nig-", then dear God we have a white supremacist on our hands! They act like we owe them something, something even more than, oh, I don't know, THE CIVIL RIGHTS AND EQUALITY THEY WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. They're terrible hypocrites and everyone seems to feel sorry for them, afraid they're going to "offend them" somehow. It's kind of like they come up to us, punch us straight in the face, and expect not to get hit back. But, God forbid, they do get hit back, and we're the bad guys. I just don't get it sometimes...

At my job, I deal with all different types of people. White, black, Asian, Hispanic, etc, and I have an easier time understanding the guy from Mexico who can barely speak English than most of these black guys. It's not that the black guys don't have the ability to speak right, it's just that they either want to look cool, or they've spent so much time previously, trying to look cool, that it embedded itself in their character.

Basically, what I'm saying is that while I have no problem with black people, I do have a problem with the majority of them. One of my best friends is black, and he feels pretty much the same way on the modern "black look". Again, to reiterate, I am NOT a racist. If you're black, cool. If you act like the guy in this video, and most of the younger blacks today, don't expect any sorrow or respect from me. You don't respect me, I sure as hell won't respect you.

**LiLp-DeFiNeD wrote:

What confuses/pissses me off is the "African american" stereotype situation,

They go around begging to not be considered thugs and not followed around by people in stores,
and yet, most of the dark people I know, tend to wear big baggy clothes that closely resemble a thug, and are very easy to steal in.

FEOS wrote:

It's true that there wasn't a level playing field in the first part of the last century. But there is one now. So, if we follow the logic, it will never be level because of what happened back then. I find that incredulous. The longer that is used as an excuse for the current state of the black community, the greater the divide will grow. At some point, people have to start taking ownership of their situations and stop looking for others to blame.

Focusing on the differences instead of embracing the similarities is what causes racial tension. All sides are guilty of it, to greater and lesser degrees.

Last edited by srog72 (2008-01-10 18:20:41)

lowing wrote:

Do you agree that the black community views successful black people as "sell outs" to their race because they chose to prosper and build their American dream?

Last edited by srog72 (2008-01-10 20:30:10)

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Hey srog72... You make a lot of great points... The one that doesnt hold water for me is the drugs finding there way to black neighborhoods...
If people don't buy the drugs... there wouldnt be much of a drug business...  and i know way too many white people that are way screwed up on drugs... Drugs are an equal opportunity destroyer....

Last edited by Marinejuana (2008-01-10 22:42:59)

David.P wrote:

Marine let me ask ya something. Why do you generalize people who disagree with you?

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2008-01-11 13:40:46)