Pic or it isn't true. I actualy just want to see if your sister is hot.usmarine2005 wrote:
My sis is in the FBI..so I support it.
Malloy must go
Everyone needs to fucking relax. The information they are gathering they can find out anyways. Im sure most of you have a cell phone, an IP address, a SSN, a license with your picture on it, a credit card, a job that puts money into your BANK ACCOUNT. Some of you may even been arrested already for an incident that may or may not involve a goat. All the gov is doing for the most part is consolidating shit they already know. Hillary Clinton is a shitty bitch.
Malloy must go
I don't want the cops to search any thing that I own. I have never been to jail have payed all my taxes. The cops don't have to pay for anything they break in the search EVEN IF THEY DON'T FIND ANYTHING.I have worked hard to get what i have, just so some-jerk that don't like me can say that I have something illegal in my house or car. I know this is true. I have lots of family members that are in different kinds of law enforcement and they tell me some bad story about shit like this.shadowcell_01 wrote:
The only people that ever complain about privacy are the same jerkoffs that refuse to let cops search their houses and/or cars. It means they have something to hide. Unless you were born on the 60's and STILL LIVING IN THAT ERA with your tyedie shirts and peace signs then you should never resist a simple a search of your car or house unless you have done something wrong or a dead asian hooker is in your trunk.
No offence to you commie. This was not directed at anyone in this forum just a general point.
I don't want my face,fingerprints, iris scans or any of that kind of stuff ALL IN ONE PLACE at one time. There are just to many reasons to list why I would not want all that done. I have heard that there is no safe system that you can keep stuff like this on. Some one can hack the system or someone can be paid for the info. There is not one person i trust with that info. Just what is this world coming too, the shit you see in the movies-that should stay there in the movies.
This is just a thought.
Hahahahahahahhaahahahaha
But seriously. Mouse habits? Like what, moving the cursor to a link that you want to click? Or does everyone have a unique and personal way to move the cursor to what they want...
But seriously. Mouse habits? Like what, moving the cursor to a link that you want to click? Or does everyone have a unique and personal way to move the cursor to what they want...
SmkenRez wrote:
I don't want the cops to search any thing that I own. I have never been to jail have payed all my taxes. The cops don't have to pay for anything1 they break in the search EVEN IF THEY DON'T FIND ANYTHING2.I have worked hard to get what i have, just so some-jerk that don't like me can say that I have something illegal in my house or car3. I know this is true. I have lots of family members that are in different kinds of law enforcement and they tell me some bad story about shit like this.
I don't want my face,fingerprints, iris scans or any of that kind of stuff ALL IN ONE PLACE at one time4. There are just to many reasons to list why I would not want all that done. I have heard that there is no safe system that you can keep stuff like this on. Some one can hack the system or someone can be paid for the info5. There is not one person i trust with that info. Just what is this world coming too, the shit you see in the movies-that should stay there in the movies.
This is just a thought.
- Cops pay taxes as well.
- It's for prevention. How are they going to know if you have illegal weapons or whatnot if they don't search in the first place?
- If you have nothing to hide, then what's the problem?
- I seriously doubt anyone's going to pull of something out of Face/Off and steal your identity (literally).
- So then why do you have a social security number?
Not saying you're wrong, just pointing out some points that I think are flawed in your argument. Yes, I know, it is a violation of our privacy, but until the PATRIOT Act is repealed, clearly resisting will get you nowhere. I'm not one to be the government's bitch, but I have nothing to hide (yet), so this really doesn't affect me at all.
I support that....
Really!
Really!
Even if you don't have anything to hide, the concept is so un-American and backwards, I can't believe a group of such seemingly intelligent people would fall into the "anti-terrorism" trap.cowami wrote:
SmkenRez wrote:
I don't want the cops to search any thing that I own. I have never been to jail have payed all my taxes. The cops don't have to pay for anything1 they break in the search EVEN IF THEY DON'T FIND ANYTHING2.I have worked hard to get what i have, just so some-jerk that don't like me can say that I have something illegal in my house or car3. I know this is true. I have lots of family members that are in different kinds of law enforcement and they tell me some bad story about shit like this.
I don't want my face,fingerprints, iris scans or any of that kind of stuff ALL IN ONE PLACE at one time4. There are just to many reasons to list why I would not want all that done. I have heard that there is no safe system that you can keep stuff like this on. Some one can hack the system or someone can be paid for the info5. There is not one person i trust with that info. Just what is this world coming too, the shit you see in the movies-that should stay there in the movies.
This is just a thought.
- Cops pay taxes as well.
- It's for prevention. How are they going to know if you have illegal weapons or whatnot if they don't search in the first place?
- If you have nothing to hide, then what's the problem?
- I seriously doubt anyone's going to pull of something out of Face/Off and steal your identity (literally).
- So then why do you have a social security number?
Not saying you're wrong, just pointing out some points that I think are flawed in your argument. Yes, I know, it is a violation of our privacy, but until the PATRIOT Act is repealed, clearly resisting will get you nowhere. I'm not one to be the government's bitch, but I have nothing to hide (yet), so this really doesn't affect me at all.
Believe me, chances are, it's not so much for prevention as it is for more control
I never mentioned terrorism. I see many uses for it besides that. So stop grouping people with your own talking points.CommieChipmunk wrote:
I can't believe a group of such seemingly intelligent people would fall into the "anti-terrorism" trap.
Well, that's what we get for living in an extremely conservative nation.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Even if you don't have anything to hide, the concept is so un-American and backwards, I can't believe a group of such seemingly intelligent people would fall into the "anti-terrorism" trap.
Believe me, chances are, it's not so much for prevention as it is for more control
Tracking criminals? Sure I guess that could help ID guys from 7/11's security cameras so they would get caught a couple hours before someone recognized them on the news. Or bank hold ups.. but it really wouldn't do that much unless there was a camera on every street corner, which isn't good either. Aside from that what other uses are there?usmarine2005 wrote:
I never mentioned terrorism. I see many uses for it besides that. So stop grouping people with your own talking points.CommieChipmunk wrote:
I can't believe a group of such seemingly intelligent people would fall into the "anti-terrorism" trap.
thats how its like in europe, aint it?CommieChipmunk wrote:
camera on every street corner, which isn't good either.
Imagine you are a father and a place like Disney had this. And sex offenders could be identified and tracked. I would vote for that in a heart beat.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Tracking criminals? Sure I guess that could help ID guys from 7/11's security cameras so they would get caught a couple hours before someone recognized them on the news. Or bank hold ups.. but it really wouldn't do that much unless there was a camera on every street corner, which isn't good either. Aside from that what other uses are there?usmarine2005 wrote:
I never mentioned terrorism. I see many uses for it besides that. So stop grouping people with your own talking points.CommieChipmunk wrote:
I can't believe a group of such seemingly intelligent people would fall into the "anti-terrorism" trap.
You want America to turn into Europe?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
thats how its like in europe, aint it?CommieChipmunk wrote:
camera on every street corner, which isn't good either.
Keep a close watch on your kid. I mean, that'd be great and all, but the opportunities for abuse are certainly there and this administration has show how apathetic America as a whole has become towards government corruption.usmarine2005 wrote:
Imagine you are a father and a place like Disney had this. And sex offenders could be identified and tracked. I would vote for that in a heart beat.
It's just a quick unconstitutional step away from something terrible in my opinion. There are probably plenty of situations that it could be used to make things a little easier, maybe even a little safer, but I'd rather have to hold my kid's hand than give a government I'm not sure if I can trust that much control.
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Yup.usmarine2005 wrote:
or fingerprints, or a drivers licence, or a telephone.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
all the outrage. None of you must have a social security number.
Honestly its just more way of identifying you. Just allowing the gov. to accurately ensure you are you. I really fail to see the danger here.
Step 1: FBI collects accurate records to identify US citizens
Step 2: ?
Step 3: You lose your personal freedoms/innocents
What was step 2 now?
You say
"Believe me, chances are, it's not so much for prevention as it is for more control"
Can you describe for me some situations in which control over us is increased by being able to correctly identify a person?
Do you want cameras on every street corner? If we live in a democracy I don't there that there's any reason why the government needs to be able to track what each of its citizens are doing at all times. This ties in more with the RFID chips that are rumored to be going into our licenses, passports or maybe a "national ID" of some sort. It's our government, not their government, and as a society we shouldn't give them the power to make it their government.VicktorVauhn wrote:
Yup.usmarine2005 wrote:
or fingerprints, or a drivers licence, or a telephone.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
all the outrage. None of you must have a social security number.
Honestly its just more way of identifying you. Just allowing the gov. to accurately ensure you are you. I really fail to see the danger here.
Step 1: FBI collects accurate records to identify US citizens
Step 2: ?
Step 3: You lose your personal freedoms/innocents
What was step 2 now?
You say
"Believe me, chances are, it's not so much for prevention as it is for more control"
Can you describe for me some situations in which control over us is increased by being able to correctly identify a person?
It's not just correctly identifying a person, it's knowing where and possibly what each citizen is doing at a particular instant... it's 1984. Personally, I have nothing to hide, but I don't like the idea of an Orwellian society.
I see no problem with cameras everywhere either.
CommieChipmunk wrote:
Do you want cameras on every street corner? If we live in a democracy I don't there that there's any reason why the government needs to be able to track what each of its citizens are doing at all times. This ties in more with the RFID chips that are rumored to be going into our licenses, passports or maybe a "national ID" of some sort. It's our government, not their government, and as a society we shouldn't give them the power to make it their government.VicktorVauhn wrote:
Yup.usmarine2005 wrote:
or fingerprints, or a drivers licence, or a telephone.
Honestly its just more way of identifying you. Just allowing the gov. to accurately ensure you are you. I really fail to see the danger here.
Step 1: FBI collects accurate records to identify US citizens
Step 2: ?
Step 3: You lose your personal freedoms/innocents
What was step 2 now?
You say
"Believe me, chances are, it's not so much for prevention as it is for more control"
Can you describe for me some situations in which control over us is increased by being able to correctly identify a person?
It's not just correctly identifying a person, it's knowing where and possibly what each citizen is doing at a particular instant... it's 1984. Personally, I have nothing to hide, but I don't like the idea of an Orwellian society.
?The Declaration of Independence wrote:
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
I'm very familiar with that particular section of the Declaration of Independence, but in reality, do you seriously think that we could do that? As beautiful as that quote is, I'm afraid in RL.. it could never happen. And all of this tracking bullshit would certainly aid to prevent it form happeningcowami wrote:
?The Declaration of Independence wrote:
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
I hate to keep using this video, but... I'm going to do it again...
Me either, I agree with most of what you said. Only those who are gonna do something against the law or is a criminal is gonna shit there pants, and be scared shitless.usmarine2005 wrote:
I see no problem with cameras everywhere either.
We aren't talking about cameras, YOU brought that up...The topic is about Biometrics and a program called Next Generation Identification (NGI) designed to gather data on identification for identification and forensic purposes...CommieChipmunk wrote:
Do you want cameras on every street corner? If we live in a democracy I don't there that there's any reason why the government needs to be able to track what each of its citizens are doing at all times. This ties in more with the RFID chips that are rumored to be going into our licenses, passports or maybe a "national ID" of some sort. It's our government, not their government, and as a society we shouldn't give them the power to make it their government.VicktorVauhn wrote:
Yup.usmarine2005 wrote:
or fingerprints, or a drivers licence, or a telephone.
Honestly its just more way of identifying you. Just allowing the gov. to accurately ensure you are you. I really fail to see the danger here.
Step 1: FBI collects accurate records to identify US citizens
Step 2: ?
Step 3: You lose your personal freedoms/innocents
What was step 2 now?
You say
"Believe me, chances are, it's not so much for prevention as it is for more control"
Can you describe for me some situations in which control over us is increased by being able to correctly identify a person?
It's not just correctly identifying a person, it's knowing where and possibly what each citizen is doing at a particular instant... it's 1984. Personally, I have nothing to hide, but I don't like the idea of an Orwellian society.
This is a thread about new forms of government identifications and has nothing to do with monitoring the day to day lives of anybody.
Now, how does biometric identifications pose a danger to your innocents or civil liberties?
the fbi already has my finger prints and dna.
Pissy much. Dont get all mad at me because I unlike you am not willing to surrender my freedom for anything. Get that? ANYTHING. Not crazy jihadists, not imagined terror threats, N-O-T-H-I-N-G. If you are so willing to live on your knees as opposed to dying on your feet, how about YOU move? I tried to point out how it seems unconstitutional (personally I shouldn't fucking have to point that out because any American worth his salt should know what the 4th amendment states) and thats why I have a problem with it. But all you have is bullshit.usmarine2005 wrote:
Oh shut the fuck up. If I do not think it is a problem like you do, that makes me bad? Fuck off,golgoj4 wrote:
Wow, sounds like such a defender of democracy...but then im not surprised.
So, I dont see how they have probable cause to criminalize the population of the United States. Until you can speak to that, how about YOU fuck off.The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Considering I had hands on nuclear weapons training, my details are on file in more agencies than I know about. Hell, I know for a fact that the FBI has a file on me. But that was done freely of my choosing because it was NECCESARY. I have yet to see ANYONE point out how this system is needed. In the future, they need to fucking get their details straight and put the dots together, not datamine the American public to allegedly make us safer.usmarine2005 wrote:
or fingerprints, or a drivers licence, or a telephone.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
all the outrage. None of you must have a social security number.
But I still dont see why that requires DNA, facials scans and other biometric data for the general public. One would only need that if say, they were planning on monitoring everyone all the time. All that my friend still flies in the face of the constitution. How can we claim a free society if we are in fact just cattle in someones pen?
And why the FUCK do I have to explain this to so many goddamned Americans??!?!?!?!?!
Ok buddy. Its gonna happen, so either get onboard or leave. Your choice.