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2007-12-10 12:03:39

#1

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|6688|Tampa Bay Florida

Will they and should they? Is the idea of going to war with Iran a good one? I also refer you to Kmarions thread here --

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=86089

Has Bush's past incompetence or record damaged our ability to go after real threats? Why or why not? (We can all agree Bush is incompetent though... right?)

2007-12-10 12:05:09

#2

Mason4Assassin444: retired; +552|6660|USA

55% of the public believe they should be impeached right now.

2007-12-10 12:05:29

#3

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6443|The Land of Scott Walker

If Bush is incompetent so is Congress ...

55% of who, New York Democrats?

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2007-12-10 12:07:02

#4

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6642

what kind of competence are we showing as an American society when we remove our leadership at the start of a really major war? We also have a congress that will do everything in their (immense) power to stop conflict. This isnt a dictatorship where the whim of one or two men decide the fate of an entire nation. The President doesnt have any authority to declare war.

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2007-12-10 12:07:56

#5

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|6688|Tampa Bay Florida

Stingray24 wrote:
If Bush is incompetent so is Congress ...

55% of who, New York Democrats?

Well, regardless of the fact that most politicians in general aren't very competent, I think Bush has set a new record. Congress may have approved the funding, but its still Bush calling the shots at the end of the day. (in reference to Iraq war, I mean)

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2007-12-10 12:08:40

#6

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6642

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
55% of the public believe they should be impeached right now.

public opinion is one of the most unstable things in politics. he could get 90% approval ratings next month if Iran nuked a neighbor or two.

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2007-12-10 12:08:46

#7

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6443|The Land of Scott Walker

Congress is just as much to blame as Bush. Without approved funding, nothing happens.

2007-12-10 12:08:51

#8

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|5997|...

I voted 1 but I wanted to vote 3

Anyway, no they wont / yes they should.

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2007-12-10 12:09:44

#9

OrangeHound: Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...; +1,335|6647|Washington DC

Spearhead wrote:
Will/should Bush/Cheney be impeached if US goes to war with Iran?
Will they and should they? Is the idea of going to war with Iran a good one?

Ummm ... unless the US Constitution has changed in the last 24-hours, Congress declares war. Not the President or Vice President.

2007-12-10 12:11:09

#10

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6288|Éire

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
This isnt a dictatorship where the whim of one or two men decide the fate of an entire nation. The President doesnt not have any authority to declare war.

...it isn't yet!

Just kidding. Gunslinger is right, the governmental mechanisms that exist currently wouldn't allow such a thing and in any case I'd be amazed if they could actually manage to 'sell' another war to the American people while they're still busy making a dog's mess out of the one they're already in.

2007-12-10 12:19:36

#11

IRONCHEF: Member; +385|6489|Northern California

What I don't get is WHY impeachment is considered something bad! I voted that they should be impeached but it doesn't mean jack. They should be tried for crimes against humanity among other things.

OrangeHound wrote:
Spearhead wrote:
Will/should Bush/Cheney be impeached if US goes to war with Iran?
Will they and should they? Is the idea of going to war with Iran a good one?
Ummm ... unless the US Constitution has changed in the last 24-hours, Congress declares war. Not the President or Vice President.

You are right. ONLY congress can declare war. However, when congress yields this power in the form of a "war powers act" that Bush used to destroy the world, they not only violate the constitution, they give a mentally retarded psycho free reign with our boys and girls in uniform.

The war powers act that BUSH sought before starting his wars were supposed to limited excursions with goals set and defined. He even abused this as did the republican congress who did nothing about it. Likewise, the current congress is not acting on that war powers act by not curtailing Bush's war which they have every right to do, and should do. This is why they are at such a low approval rating. Coward sons of bitches.

2007-12-10 12:31:45

#12

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|6755|Argentina

OrangeHound wrote:
Spearhead wrote:
Will/should Bush/Cheney be impeached if US goes to war with Iran?
Will they and should they? Is the idea of going to war with Iran a good one?
Ummm ... unless the US Constitution has changed in the last 24-hours, Congress declares war. Not the President or Vice President.

Sending false info to the Congress in order to have their approval to start a war is the same than declaring the war yourself.

2007-12-10 13:36:38

#13

Phrozenbot: Member; +632|6613|do not disturb

As much as the commander guy wants to go to war with Iran I don't think it will happen. I can foresee our next president ushering in it for him though.

And if it does happen, if bush and the chenguin don't get off easy, neither should congress.

2007-12-10 13:56:36

#14

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6443|The Land of Scott Walker

Wait a sec. All the members of Congress were “fooled” by Bush, including the “smartest woman in the US”, Hillary Clinton. Buahahahaahhaha! Sorry, couldn’t keep my composure after saying that. Continuing on, since all of them were fooled, doesn’t make them less intelligent than Bush? Perhaps one of our fellow BF2sers should run for office, after all you guys obviously have a better handle on the Iraq situation even without the aid of any intelligence reports.

2007-12-10 14:03:38

#15

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6498|so randum

i vote me for pres 08

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2007-12-10 14:37:41

#16

DUFFKING: Insert witty comment here; +3|6756|Brixham, UK

Frankly I think everyone should be more worried about Israel blowing Iran off the face of the earth.

2007-12-10 14:53:34

#17

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|6755|Argentina

Stingray24 wrote:
Wait a sec. All the members of Congress were “fooled” by Bush, including the “smartest woman in the US”, Hillary Clinton. Buahahahaahhaha! Sorry, couldn’t keep my composure after saying that. Continuing on, since all of them were fooled, doesn’t make them less intelligent than Bush? Perhaps one of our fellow BF2sers should run for office, after all you guys obviously have a better handle on the Iraq situation even without the aid of any intelligence reports.

Weren't they fooled? He lied to them about the WMD's. He fooled them.

2007-12-10 15:03:57

#18

OrangeHound: Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...; +1,335|6647|Washington DC

sergeriver wrote:
OrangeHound wrote:
Spearhead wrote:
Will/should Bush/Cheney be impeached if US goes to war with Iran?
Will they and should they? Is the idea of going to war with Iran a good one?
Ummm ... unless the US Constitution has changed in the last 24-hours, Congress declares war. Not the President or Vice President.
Sending false info to the Congress in order to have their approval to start a war is the same than declaring the war yourself.

Perhaps you don't understand Washington. Let me enlighten you.

Congress (actually committees within Congress) has access to the same intelligence information that Bush had ... the issue here is one of interpretation. At the time, a significant majority in Washington was hungry for blood and the intelligence information was just interpreted toward that agenda by the President, by Congress, and by most analysts.

Even Hillary has admitted that the Clinton White House's assessment of Iraq was the same as the Bush White House's assessment.

You can blame Bush, sure, but the blame is equally on Congress - both Dems and Pubs.

2007-12-10 17:46:26

#19

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6409|'Murka

sergeriver wrote:
OrangeHound wrote:
Spearhead wrote:
Will/should Bush/Cheney be impeached if US goes to war with Iran?
Will they and should they? Is the idea of going to war with Iran a good one?
Ummm ... unless the US Constitution has changed in the last 24-hours, Congress declares war. Not the President or Vice President.
Sending false info to the Congress in order to have their approval to start a war is the same than declaring the war yourself.

Bush didn't send false info to Congress. This has been covered in detail in other posts, so I won't rehash it here. I can't believe you're still beating this drum, Serge.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2007-12-10 17:52:25

#20

Doctor Strangelove: Real Battlefield Veterinarian.; +1,758|6466

To bad the US won't be at war with Iran in the near future.

2007-12-10 18:33:57

#21

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,973|6630|949

One or both of them would have to commit a crime first, which the Bush Administration (probably more than any other) has been extremely good at manipulating for their own interests. Alberto, Ashcroft and Viet Dinh (author of the PATRIOT Act) were very effective in manipulating and interpreting laws in the early years of the Administration.

2007-12-10 18:38:51

#22

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6599|132 and Bush

OrangeHound wrote:
Spearhead wrote:
Will/should Bush/Cheney be impeached if US goes to war with Iran?
Will they and should they? Is the idea of going to war with Iran a good one?
Ummm ... unless the US Constitution has changed in the last 24-hours, Congress declares war. Not the President or Vice President.

Congress hasn't declared war since WWII.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2007-12-10 19:08:20

#23

CommieChipmunk: Member; +488|6568|Portland, OR, USA

Kmarion wrote:
OrangeHound wrote:
Spearhead wrote:
Will/should Bush/Cheney be impeached if US goes to war with Iran?
Will they and should they? Is the idea of going to war with Iran a good one?
Ummm ... unless the US Constitution has changed in the last 24-hours, Congress declares war. Not the President or Vice President.
Congress hasn't declared war since WWII.

Yup.

Nothing would happen though.

We've evolved into a truly apathetic society.

It's sad really. Unfortunately cursing at the television from the couch doesn't seem to do much.

2007-12-10 19:09:13

#24

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6642

CommieChipmunk wrote:
Unfortunately cursing at the television from the couch doesn't seem to do much.

as you complain about apathy...

2007-12-10 22:14:23

#25

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|6759

Stingray24 wrote:
If Bush is incompetent so is Congress ...

55% of who, New York Democrats?

Hell yes. Impeach them and the democrat congress. I agree.

Yes, they will, and yes, they should	20%	20% - 9
Yes, they will, and no, they shouldn't	0%	0% - 0
No, they won't, but yes, they should	48%	48% - 22
No, they won't, and no, they shouldn't	31%	31% - 14
Total: 45

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