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Poll

Is religion outdated? Please dont just vote, leave a comment/explain

Yes58%58% - 58
No31%31% - 31
Not my choice10%10% - 10
Total: 99
2007-11-30 20:42:16
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

xBlackPantherx wrote:

I mean, CMON! Some religious "regulations" are just ridiculous. Mormons aren't allowed to date or do anything till at least 16. If you think that is bad, which of course I guess it isn't that bad, it is against their religion to ever drink coffee/caffeine. I mean, it's things like that which are just absurd, ridiculous, and FAR from the original beliefs of the religion.
Hey, I think much of religion is ridiculous too.  That's part of why I don't follow it.  But if these people want to live that way, that's their choice.  The only point in time that I care is when their beliefs start affecting my way of life.

Basically, believe in what you want to, but leave me out of it.
2007-11-30 20:54:20
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
+142|6633|California

Turquoise wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

I mean, CMON! Some religious "regulations" are just ridiculous. Mormons aren't allowed to date or do anything till at least 16. If you think that is bad, which of course I guess it isn't that bad, it is against their religion to ever drink coffee/caffeine. I mean, it's things like that which are just absurd, ridiculous, and FAR from the original beliefs of the religion.
Hey, I think much of religion is ridiculous too.  That's part of why I don't follow it.  But if these people want to live that way, that's their choice.  The only point in time that I care is when their beliefs start affecting my way of life.

Basically, believe in what you want to, but leave me out of it.
See, I don't believe in religion because I just plain believe it has been too corrupt and used as a means for war, riches, and a means of life for despot's, but I respect people that believe in religion because atheism is as much of a valid belief as any religion. I just don't agree with the means of religion used today. It's once people start oppressing their beliefs on other people is when I step in. I don't really agree to the fact that our US government is Christian oriented and they use Christianity to make decisions. Even today I was listening to the radio and someone said in a debate, "When it comes to the Death Penelty, just think, 'What would Jesus do?'" and I think it is just those types of things (even saying "In God We Trust on US currency and "One nation under God" in the Pledge of Alliegance.) that aren't right. Especially when we pride ourselves on having a "Non-secular" Government.

EDIT: Here's an experiment you can try that I made up and seems to work. Go ask all your religious colleges and ask them "Why do YOU believe in ________?" and a very good portion won't be able to answer with a valid answer beyond "Because the Bible tells me too...".

Last edited by xBlackPantherx (2007-11-30 20:56:45)

2007-11-30 21:03:50
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina
Well, you could ask the same question regarding political party and get an answer like "because my parents are of the _______ party."  It's not just religion that causes people to behave as sheep, but admittedly, it often helps.

Our system and culture are undoubtedly influenced by Christianity, but we also thankfully have the separation of church and state.  I actually don't have a problem with most Christian morals, but I would agree that when people use religion as a judgmental instrument, they create a ton of problems.
2007-11-30 21:07:01
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
+142|6633|California

Turquoise wrote:

but I would agree that when people use religion as a judgmental instrument, they create a ton of problems.
And if anyone even TRIES to dispute that, just look at say.........the Crusades when the Pope himself used religion to gather thousands and thousands of people to fight the "infidels" with the promise that they will go to heaven if they die. Or hell, the civil war in Iraq wouldn't be going on if it  wern't for religion.

Last edited by xBlackPantherx (2007-11-30 21:07:46)

2007-11-30 21:56:50
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6955|NT, like Mick Dundee

SenorToenails wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Lord Richard, wouldn't mind knowing where you got the info that we have definitive proof or a sound theory on how the universe was created. All we have is a few theories which are constantly debated and a rather massive particle accelerator experiment that should be performed soon.
The Big-Bang theory is an accepted theory based on the current observed evidence.  However, the origin of original speck of matter that has become everything we know, is unknown.  The large particle accelerator experiments (I assume you mean the Large Hadron Collider at CERN) are meant to look for more fundamental particles and building blocks of nature.  These have to do with testing string theory and the validity of the standard model, and some of its variants.
Spot on. It is an accepted theory (I accept it too so far, as all current evidence does point to it, and I'm religious... go figure).

I mentioned the Collider because part of String Theory offers an explanation for the big bang beyond just saying "In the beginning there was just energy, and it went bang." (yeah I know, tis a bit of a simplistic explanation but meh, I need a coffee)


As Turq again said; sience's main strength is it's ability to change, adapt, accept new ideas and new evidence and rethink itself to account for them. Religious fundamentalists, including a friend of mine, lack this ability.

Am I the only one here who thinks Scientology has to be renamed?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2007-11-30 22:22:44
BVC
Member
+325|6986
I think religion needs to become more adaptable...a lot of stuff that went on in ancient times, upon which many religious teachings are based, the world just isn't that way anymore.  eg. Pork is now safe to eat.
2007-11-30 22:23:31
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
+142|6633|California

Flecco wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Lord Richard, wouldn't mind knowing where you got the info that we have definitive proof or a sound theory on how the universe was created. All we have is a few theories which are constantly debated and a rather massive particle accelerator experiment that should be performed soon.
The Big-Bang theory is an accepted theory based on the current observed evidence.  However, the origin of original speck of matter that has become everything we know, is unknown.  The large particle accelerator experiments (I assume you mean the Large Hadron Collider at CERN) are meant to look for more fundamental particles and building blocks of nature.  These have to do with testing string theory and the validity of the standard model, and some of its variants.
Spot on. It is an accepted theory (I accept it too so far, as all current evidence does point to it, and I'm religious... go figure).

I mentioned the Collider because part of String Theory offers an explanation for the big bang beyond just saying "In the beginning there was just energy, and it went bang." (yeah I know, tis a bit of a simplistic explanation but meh, I need a coffee)


As Turq again said; sience's main strength is it's ability to change, adapt, accept new ideas and new evidence and rethink itself to account for them. Religious fundamentalists, including a friend of mine, lack this ability.

Am I the only one here who thinks Scientology has to be renamed?
It's actually kind of funny because you wouldn't really think it, but Australia is one of the leaders in space exploration/discovery/science.
2007-11-30 22:32:28
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6955|NT, like Mick Dundee

Panther, given the environment I grew up in I would. My father is always ranting about how our rocket tech got stolen by the USA etc. etc.

Then we have the Australian Astronauts in NASA etc.







Lastly, one of NASA's physicists graduated from the same high-school I just did.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2007-11-30 22:48:08
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
+142|6633|California

Flecco wrote:

Panther, given the environment I grew up in I would. My father is always ranting about how our rocket tech got stolen by the USA etc. etc.

Then we have the Australian Astronauts in NASA etc.







Lastly, one of NASA's physicists graduated from the same high-school I just did.
Well obviously you would, you grew up in Australia!
2007-11-30 22:52:58
Soldier-Of-Wasteland
Mephistopheles
+40|6946|Land of the Very Cold
Religion(s) should not exist. Apostasy for everyone! Yay
2007-11-30 23:23:47
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
+142|6633|California

Soldier-Of-Wasteland wrote:

Religion(s) should not exist. Apostasy for everyone! Yay
I would just wanna see what the world would be like if religion never existed...
2007-11-30 23:31:34
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6934
easy if you tried
2007-11-30 23:49:50
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,057|7062|PNW

Lord_Richard wrote:

...where we have virtually discovered how the universe was created, and slowly the questions over our existence are ticked off...
Add 'in theory' to that and you'll be closer to the mark. I don't think we'll be able to claim mastery of science anytime soon, and to think otherwise is arrogant. And there are aspects of philosophy which have not yet been addressed by science.

I could suggest that everyone stop worrying about what other people think and be more concerned about what they themselves think, but, as I post here, that would make me a hypocrite.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-11-30 23:52:03)

2007-12-01 03:28:51
Lord_Richard
Member
+1|6283|Sharqi dammit!

Flecco wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Religion will always exist.  The institution of religion is not outdated, but certain interpretations are painfully outdated and incompatible with sensible modern societies.

Read: fanatics of religion are outdated.  Killing people over religion is so 16th and 17th Century.

Granted, plenty of it still goes on, but that's because a lot of people are fucking idiots.
Turq = correct again.

Lord Richard, wouldn't mind knowing where you got the info that we have definitive proof or a sound theory on how the universe was created. All we have is a few theories which are constantly debated and a rather massive particle accelerator experiment that should be performed soon.
no i did not say we had definitive proof if you recheck, just that the questions we used to be unable to answer are slowly being ticked off, well thats what i mean't. Apologies for the misunderstanding .
2007-12-01 06:25:14
[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|6943|pimelteror.de
as long as religion gives you hope for the things that might happen after you are dead and stay an individual choice of beliefs, then it will always be a n actual and important topic. as soon as it divides people and might bring them into conflict, religion is outdated, because ratio and humanity should be more important, than things we´ve read in old books.
2007-12-01 06:38:57
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6581|Éire
I think philosophy is just as important as ever in modern life whereas religion is totally outdated. Where philosophy encourages critical and inquisitive thought about life and the nature and truth of things Religion often encourages ignorance and in many cases promotes sectarianism.
2007-12-01 07:31:42
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6955|NT, like Mick Dundee

Lord_Richard wrote:

no i did not say we had definitive proof if you recheck, just that the questions we used to be unable to answer are slowly being ticked off, well thats what i mean't. Apologies for the misunderstanding .
Every question we tick off makes us ask 3 more.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2007-12-01 09:32:19
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6285|Truthistan
Its outdated
Religion is fine if it helps you find peace as an individual but churches using religion to control people is bad. Like its any ones business, including religious groups, what I do in my own house. One of the dumbest things I ever heard was some pastor telling people to "give up their "vibrators" for Jesus."  LOL whats that all about??!! what business is it of theirs!!! know what that does? if you don't get some you start to go crazy especially if you are supposed to also hate yourself for wanting to get some. It makes you more susceptible for their other crazy messages and the next thing you know your strapping a bomb to you chest or shooting up an abortion clinic or beating homos or committing some other act of violence in the name of that religion. What is really sad is how racism and segregation in the United States has gone underground and found home in religious institutions. My 2 cent rant.
2007-12-01 12:38:04
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7005|US
Religion answers "Why" while science only seeks to answer the question of "how."

Religion is about a lot more than how we got here.  It gives people a common set of rules/beliefs and encourages things like charity and kindness.  It was a defining organization to many civilizations and still is an important framework for many societies.

Diesel, how did you make the jump from giving up vibrators to blowing up abortion clinics?

Last edited by RAIMIUS (2007-12-01 12:39:41)

2007-12-01 12:41:37
Ruckel
Ruckel for all!
+43|6466|sverige
The human SHOULD be smarter than belive in a god.

But as we all know all homo sapiens are idiots...except me.
2007-12-01 14:39:55
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
+142|6633|California
Here's another another question I have devised to ask your religious friend or yourself: What makes your religion more right (or less wrong I'd say) than anyone else's?
2007-12-01 14:40:06
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6840|CH/BR - in UK

I'd say religion has changed. It's more open. There are new religions. People are free to have their own religion, and believe what they want to believe. I think religion is expanding and multiplying in new ways

-konfusion
2007-12-01 16:03:09
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6955|NT, like Mick Dundee

konfusion wrote:

I'd say religion has changed. It's more open. There are new religions. People are free to have their own religion, and believe what they want to believe. I think religion is expanding and multiplying in new ways

-konfusion
Yes, but we have the fundamentalist sects which refuse to let go of their powerbase and eventually those sects either radicalise or die out. Westboro is a rather fucked up example of this.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2007-12-01 16:05:21
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6701|'Murka

Ruckel wrote:

But as we all know all homo sapiens are idiots...except me.
So I should take it as a compliment when my wife calls me a neanderthal?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2007-12-01 16:19:33
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6840|CH/BR - in UK

Flecco wrote:

Yes, but we have the fundamentalist sects which refuse to let go of their powerbase and eventually those sects either radicalise or die out. Westboro is a rather fucked up example of this.
I think it's a good thing. Sort of like the evolution into democracy. With education comes the will to decide for yourself. More people are being educated properly now, and thinking for themselves. (god, I sound like that Miss USA pageant now, don't I?)

-konfusion

 

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