BF2S Forums Why is the USA in EVERY map?

It is a waste of time complaining. Why do you do it? Why? Nothing gonna get changed. You don't make a difference about it.

SilentAssassin03 wrote:

It is a waste of time complaining. Why do you do it? Why? Nothing gonna get changed. You don't make a difference about it.

reading your posts is like watching someone try to walk through a door by bashing their face against it over and over again. changes are not the point. the point of a complaints forum is to vent, and share some gripes. it's not about hating the game (because we all obviously love it), it's not about demanding changes, but simply stating what annoys you about it - talking about how a game you love could be made better.

I can't believe I just had to explain this. Putting these words down makes me realise what I've done wrong: I'm obviously agruing with a child. So, no matter how it's explained to you, that you are doing exactly what you are arguing against (great example of form undermining content, or vice versa), you won't get it.

Lib-Sl@yer wrote:

havent you heard of all the terorist bombings in china? a little while ago  a terrorist suicide bombed a bus in souther tibet

er.... some Islamic terrorists bombing something in China and an military action by a group of sovereign Muslim nations like the MEC are two entirely different things.

Before 9-11, Oklahoma Bombing was the largest act of terror on American soil and it was done by white guy who was raise as a Catholic.  I don't think that would justify the US rolling up to the Vatican with M1A1 tanks and assaulting the place.  Nor does it mean that the US can flat-blast all the nations that subscribe to that religious doctrine.   ...although...given the current circumstances in Iraq, nothing would surprise me anymore.

- Beatdown

SilentAssassin03 wrote:

It is a waste of time complaining. Why do you do it? Why? Nothing gonna get changed. You don't make a difference about it.

This is a forum, you twit.

FOR-UM.

What, you think everyone posts here because they think they can change the game? Nobody is so stupid.

'Cept you, it would seem.

freebirdpat wrote:

I don't think I would agree with MEC fighting China. If anything China and MEC have similar goals, and that is destroying the US, so they would be more aligned in the fact that the US technically is more advanced technologically then either grouping. The EU is probably the only threat with their combined militaries to the US. China may have more people and more men of soldier age, but if the US has a higher kill ratio it will be like Russia fighting the Germans in WWII.

Right, well, with respect, let's do some edjumakating:

1. The world's three largest economies, in no particular order are the United States, Japan and CHINA. That means it's in a position of elevated power and leverage, and is thus more likely to pursue an aggressive foreign policy strategy. Like the US.

2. China has a long history of poor relations with its neighbours: Japan, Russia, Vietnam, Korea, Pakistan, India, Tibet. Poor relations in the sense of people on the border firing large calibre weapons at each other.

3. China is RAPIDLY closing the technological gap between it and first world economies.

4. China may have similar goals to other nations/coalitions, but not parallel goals - China, like other superpowers, has its own hegemony as its modus operandi. That means, like America, it wants to rule the world. It's not called the Middle Kingdom for nothing.

5. So, if you think about it, China is almost as likely as the USA to pursue a war over resources. Sure, China doesn't have remotely the same forward offensive capacity as the USA, but border conflicts over petrochemical control, I think, are increasingly likely. And isn't BF2 set in the near future.

The US is on the every map because... U.S. has been the greatest military aggressors of the last century

hahahahaha

I think it's just because of what has been said: "Reality"
The US are already fighting the "MEC" or actually their respective Nations
USA and China could probably get into fights in the more or less near future although this is not 100% likely

Also... the second thing which could probably be quite important is that many guys don't like either MEC or China... like... me... and I'm not even US citizen... I'm from Europe

That's also my problem with some SF maps... I mean I know it's a game, but I neither want to play Russia nor the Insurgents actually

Beatdown Patrol wrote:

freebirdpat wrote:

I don't think I would agree with MEC fighting China. If anything China and MEC have similar goals, and that is destroying the US, so they would be more aligned in the fact that the US technically is more advanced technologically then either grouping. The EU is probably the only threat with their combined militaries to the US. China may have more people and more men of soldier age, but if the US has a higher kill ratio it will be like Russia fighting the Germans in WWII.

Hmmm....not so sure about that.  To be frank, I don't think there is a single 1st world nation that wants to see us destroyed, just our influence to be lessened.  While the MEC is a fictional group, even the Arab nations don't want to see us go anywhere because we spend too much money on oil.  They just wish that the US would stop putting their nose into everything and weilding their superpower badge like everyone else on the planet is irrelevant.

As much as both China and the US hate to admit it, we are tied at the hip.  China produces HUGE amounts of products for the US for cheap labor while US companies base their manufactoring operations there.  I have a hard time believing that either would want that to change.  When money is involved, nations, companies, and industries are more than willing to put their differences aside to keep the cash flowing.

- Beatdown

Agree in almost all you say.  Perhaps, US should consider having an external policy more diplomatic, and avoid engaging in war for every dollar is flying over the oil lands in middle east.

In the further updates - if the USMC still going to be on every map - I'd like to see some of the following scenarios:

1. Forest maps in a mountain area...somewhere in Latin-America. USMC is fighting against a drug-baron's army or local dictator.

2. Tibet wants to get rid from the Chineese occupation. China still wants to keep Tibet on short leash....US paratroopers invades. Rocky mountain map with a huge buddhist monastery.

3. Rebellion in an African country. To bring peace and prevent further genocide the USMC launch an attack from the neighbouring country....Dense jungle map.

4. A mad US general occupies a secret nucreal rocket launch site with his renegade (US) troops somewhere in Alaska. USMC is deployed to recapture the object and eliminate the resistance.

5. The Siege of Jerusalem. Combined MEC forces overrun Israel's defence and they about to take Jerusalem. USMC paratroopers deployed to defend/recapture the city. Every freaking house should be fully open to enter and finally we would have a REAL urban map, with real house-to-house fight at point-blank range. Without choppers, vehicles, jets...and to prevent further civilian losses there would be no ARTY available to the Commander on this map. I think this would be awesome.

That's all for today:)

IC_Draconis wrote:

In the further updates - if the USMC still going to be on every map - I'd like to see some of the following scenarios:

1. Forest maps in a mountain area...somewhere in Latin-America. USMC is fighting against a drug-baron's army or local dictator.

2. Tibet wants to get rid from the Chineese occupation. China still wants to keep Tibet on short leash....US paratroopers invades. Rocky mountain map with a huge buddhist monastery.

3. Rebellion in an African country. To bring peace and prevent further genocide the USMC launch an attack from the neighbouring country....Dense jungle map.

4. A mad US general occupies a secret nucreal rocket launch site with his renegade (US) troops somewhere in Alaska. USMC is deployed to recapture the object and eliminate the resistance.

5. The Siege of Jerusalem. Combined MEC forces overrun Israel's defence and they about to take Jerusalem. USMC paratroopers deployed to defend/recapture the city. Every freaking house should be fully open to enter and finally we would have a REAL urban map, with real house-to-house fight at point-blank range. Without choppers, vehicles, jets...and to prevent further civilian losses there would be no ARTY available to the Commander on this map. I think this would be awesome.

That's all for today:)

1-Latin America, here Us could invade Venezuela (forget the drug issue), cos they re invading US with their oil, in fact Citgo now is owned by the Venezuela national oil company, so there u go.

2-Tibet: the only persons who care about Tibet are Richard Gere and the Beastie Boys.  Besides, US 'd never engage in war with China, forget it dude.

3-Africa, this one is real good, something like Somalia, a Black Hawk Down style think.  Although, as a muslin country perhaps it would be included in Mec.

4-Alaska great scenario, but it would be US vs US?

5-Jerusalem perhaps would be too real to include.

aside from all the politics and stuff i think there is very simple reason for ONE team to be on every map in BF2 - uniform: USMC outfits are somewhat brighter than MEC and PLA. with current models and skins it's easier to tell friend or foe when fighting USMC vs MEC or USMC vc PLA. actually i think making it that simple was a good idea as it somewhat eliminates the need to adjust every time armies change - you either fight "bright guys" or "dark guys".

i know that there are different uniforms for different regions in most armies - that makes perfect sence, doesn't it? now we don't know if USMC soldiers where made the only "bright guys" of the game (and thus present on every map) intentionaly, but i think it is a logical assumtion considering the game was made for american players mostly.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

The more I think about it the more I think that an EU side would be freakin awesome. Or WEC, Western Europe Coalition. Also, I started this thread not to complain about the US, I don't hate the US army in the game, I would just like to see some MEC vs China action.

To be honest, I don't see enough of a difference between the Chinese and the MEC to warrant the two fighting each other.  Nothing is really to be gained because both the MEC and China "feel" the same when playing them.  I am sure this has to do with the Soviet bloc weapons/technology that are being used by both sides.  I am sure that it would feel similar to if the US fought the Brits or some other NATO member.

- Beatdown

Last edited by Beatdown Patrol (2005-12-21 11:45:00)

I think they wanted to do some balance things there.

The China and MEC objects are often similar, but the USMC ones are different. So the player can choose what weapons he likes more.

Example: The sniper rifles: USMC has an M24, China and MEC have Type 88 and SVD, which are generally the same.

sergeriver wrote:

Beatdown Patrol wrote:

freebirdpat wrote:

I don't think I would agree with MEC fighting China. If anything China and MEC have similar goals, and that is destroying the US, so they would be more aligned in the fact that the US technically is more advanced technologically then either grouping. The EU is probably the only threat with their combined militaries to the US. China may have more people and more men of soldier age, but if the US has a higher kill ratio it will be like Russia fighting the Germans in WWII.

Hmmm....not so sure about that.  To be frank, I don't think there is a single 1st world nation that wants to see us destroyed, just our influence to be lessened.  While the MEC is a fictional group, even the Arab nations don't want to see us go anywhere because we spend too much money on oil.  They just wish that the US would stop putting their nose into everything and weilding their superpower badge like everyone else on the planet is irrelevant.

As much as both China and the US hate to admit it, we are tied at the hip.  China produces HUGE amounts of products for the US for cheap labor while US companies base their manufactoring operations there.  I have a hard time believing that either would want that to change.  When money is involved, nations, companies, and industries are more than willing to put their differences aside to keep the cash flowing.

- Beatdown

Agree in almost all you say.  Perhaps, US should consider having an external policy more diplomatic, and avoid engaging in war for every dollar is flying over the oil lands in middle east.

You do know France and Russia caused more problems with Iraq in the past 15 years then the US did in the past 30?