Poll

Are you a Christian?

I would like to be 50% 50% - 157 50% 50% - 157
I don't want anything to do with that! 55% 55% - 174 44% 44% - 140
Total: 314
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6798
The tide is the cyclic rising and falling of Earth's ocean surface caused by the tidal forces of the Moon and the Sun acting on the Earth. Tides cause changes in the depth of the sea, and also produce oscillating currents known as tidal streams, making prediction of tides important for coastal navigation (see Tides and navigation, below). The strip of seashore that is submerged at high tide and exposed at low tide, the intertidal zone, is an important ecological product of ocean tides.

The changing tide produced at a given location on the Earth is the result of the changing positions of the Moon and Sun relative to the Earth coupled with the effects of the rotation of the Earth and the local bathymetry (the underwater equivalent to topography). Though the gravitational force exerted by the Sun on the Earth is almost 200 times stronger than that exerted by the Moon, the tidal force produced by the Moon is about twice as strong as that produced by the Sun. The reason for this is that the tidal force is related not to the strength of a gravitational field, but to its gradient. The field gradient decreases with distance from the source more rapidly than does the field strength; as the Sun is about 400 times further from the Earth than is the Moon, the gradient of the Sun's field, and thus the tidal force produced by the Sun, is weaker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide

JaMDuDe your post doesn't seem to make a whole pile of sense. The fact that certain factors coincided to make earth habitable by organic lifeforms is nothing more than just that - a coincidence. To credit 'god'  for this coincidence is just a cop-out with no basis in rationality, reason or logic. All it is is a belief/opinion with no evidence to support it.

I don't know what your reference to physical laws and the big bang are about, maybe you could clarify what you mean so I can respond.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-06-24 18:35:36)

DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6927|United States of America
Proud to be Roman Catholic! Although I don't share every single view of the faith, I am sure not everyone is completely in agreement with their religion unless they started it (i.e. David Koresh)
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6886|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

CameronPoe wrote:

The tide is the cyclic rising and falling of Earth's ocean surface caused by the tidal forces of the Moon and the Sun acting on the Earth. Tides cause changes in the depth of the sea, and also produce oscillating currents known as tidal streams, making prediction of tides important for coastal navigation (see Tides and navigation, below). The strip of seashore that is submerged at high tide and exposed at low tide, the intertidal zone, is an important ecological product of ocean tides.

The changing tide produced at a given location on the Earth is the result of the changing positions of the Moon and Sun relative to the Earth coupled with the effects of the rotation of the Earth and the local bathymetry (the underwater equivalent to topography). Though the gravitational force exerted by the Sun on the Earth is almost 200 times stronger than that exerted by the Moon, the tidal force produced by the Moon is about twice as strong as that produced by the Sun. The reason for this is that the tidal force is related not to the strength of a gravitational field, but to its gradient. The field gradient decreases with distance from the source more rapidly than does the field strength; as the Sun is about 400 times further from the Earth than is the Moon, the gradient of the Sun's field, and thus the tidal force produced by the Sun, is weaker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide

JaMDuDe your post doesn't seem to make a whole pile of sense. The fact that certain factors coincided to make earth habitable by organic lifeforms is nothing more than just that - a coincidence. To credit 'god'  for this coincidence is just a cop-out with no basis in rationality, reason or logic. All it is is a belief/opinion with no evidence to support it.

I don't know what your reference to physical laws and the big bang are about, maybe you could clarify what you mean so I can respond.
Maybe God caused all of this to take place?  Just so we could exist?
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6798

HM1{N} wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

The tide is the cyclic rising and falling of Earth's ocean surface caused by the tidal forces of the Moon and the Sun acting on the Earth. Tides cause changes in the depth of the sea, and also produce oscillating currents known as tidal streams, making prediction of tides important for coastal navigation (see Tides and navigation, below). The strip of seashore that is submerged at high tide and exposed at low tide, the intertidal zone, is an important ecological product of ocean tides.

The changing tide produced at a given location on the Earth is the result of the changing positions of the Moon and Sun relative to the Earth coupled with the effects of the rotation of the Earth and the local bathymetry (the underwater equivalent to topography). Though the gravitational force exerted by the Sun on the Earth is almost 200 times stronger than that exerted by the Moon, the tidal force produced by the Moon is about twice as strong as that produced by the Sun. The reason for this is that the tidal force is related not to the strength of a gravitational field, but to its gradient. The field gradient decreases with distance from the source more rapidly than does the field strength; as the Sun is about 400 times further from the Earth than is the Moon, the gradient of the Sun's field, and thus the tidal force produced by the Sun, is weaker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide

JaMDuDe your post doesn't seem to make a whole pile of sense. The fact that certain factors coincided to make earth habitable by organic lifeforms is nothing more than just that - a coincidence. To credit 'god'  for this coincidence is just a cop-out with no basis in rationality, reason or logic. All it is is a belief/opinion with no evidence to support it.

I don't know what your reference to physical laws and the big bang are about, maybe you could clarify what you mean so I can respond.
Maybe God caused all of this to take place?  Just so we could exist?
Maybe there's a teapot containing a million dollars orbiting the earth at a height of 25 miles - an equally plausible assertion (that would actually be possible to verify (unlike the god theory!!)).

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-06-24 19:15:14)

Poppycock
Member
+16|6785|Bellevue, NE

PornDogg wrote:

I was raised as a lutheran but had it crammed down my throat so badley i dont consider myself religious at all now. I beleive there is something after this life, i just havnt figured out what though......lol

each to their own i say.

l8rs
Yeah I have the same story.....except I was raised Catholic.....
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6935
I'm Jewish
JaMDuDe
Member
+69|7020
Cameron

Using logic and reason, its obvious that earth isnt just a coincidence. Heres a movie http://www.illustramedia.com/movies/TPP … w_256k.mov (only a couple minutes long). If you want a good scientific explanation that a lot of scientists agree with then you should get the book. The physical laws and constants are perfect for us to be here. You could use the multiverse or bubble theory to get past this but theres not much good evidence for them.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6917|Canberra, AUS
More important question: Is this going to turn into another repetitive 50-pager?

With Jamdude here, I think it will. See the other thread. (http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=318567 - Its LONG, so be patient)

I don't really feel like continuing the argument again, so I still ask Jamdude to answer this post. I thought the answer he gave was very poor and inadequate.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6798

JaMDuDe wrote:

Cameron

Using logic and reason, its obvious that earth isnt just a coincidence. Heres a movie http://www.illustramedia.com/movies/TPP … w_256k.mov (only a couple minutes long). If you want a good scientific explanation that a lot of scientists agree with then you should get the book. The physical laws and constants are perfect for us to be here. You could use the multiverse or bubble theory to get past this but theres not much good evidence for them.
Watched the movie. Essentially what they're saying backs up my statement that this planet is inhabitable because of a coincidence of a number of different factors. This universe is vast beyond comprehension. The fact that the probability of earth being inhabitable is low means nothing as in a universe this large there are bound to be several planets capable of sustaining life. We just happen to be on one of them...

PS how on earth was that movie supposed to validate the theory that a 'supreme' being exists?!?!?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-06-24 20:12:28)

TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6915|Colorado
I was a born again Christian for 4 years, got out of it cause I couldn't find a wife in the church & needed sex.
gg devil.
I believe in a God , but not the god of any book on this world or the big shiny guy sittin on a throne, God is too big to fit in any one religion & too big to comprehend in our current state.

Some of our society still needs this crutch to get thru daily life & there is nothing wrong with that until you try & force a belief system on someone, some people just need to think that someone is watching out for them.

I do believe in reincarnation & think that every time we are here we have to learn something or accomplish something that we couldn't get too last time around, this would explain all the deja-vu at places around the world that I had never been too, like finding your way thru a city like you've lived there before.

After we finish our training here I believe we shall ascend to a higher state of conscience , for what I'm not sure, but I'm sure that I need to learn patience this time around. These body's seem like nothing more than containers.

I'm very sorry if this offends anyones religious beliefs but I simply cannot accept them & see them as current control systems for the masses.
JaMDuDe
Member
+69|7020

CameronPoe wrote:

JaMDuDe wrote:

Cameron

Using logic and reason, its obvious that earth isnt just a coincidence. Heres a movie http://www.illustramedia.com/movies/TPP … w_256k.mov (only a couple minutes long). If you want a good scientific explanation that a lot of scientists agree with then you should get the book. The physical laws and constants are perfect for us to be here. You could use the multiverse or bubble theory to get past this but theres not much good evidence for them.
Watched the movie. Essentially what they're saying backs up my statement that this planet is inhabitable because of a coincidence of a number of different factors. This universe is vast beyond comprehension. The fact that the probability of earth being inhabitable is low means nothing as in a universe this large there are bound to be several planets capable of sustaining life. We just happen to be on one of them...

PS how on earth was that movie supposed to validate the theory that a 'supreme' being exists?!?!?
What they are saying is that life didnt happen by chance. If you use common sense its not reasonable to say it happened by chance when the odds are 1/1,000,000,000,000 and there are only 6,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy. Those are the odds when they gave a 1/10 value to each factor. Thats only one of probably hundreds of things that show theres a creator.

Last edited by JaMDuDe (2006-06-24 21:20:16)

spastic bullet
would like to know if you are on crack
+77|6783|vancouver
Here's the problem with your logic, JaMDuDe:

Where is the equation that provides the odds of there being a creator?  Are we making a fair comparison without such an equation?

The balance of probability is not in the theists' favour.  This is why it's called "faith".
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6771|Global Command

Ikarti wrote:

Was Jesus gay? The Last Supper sure was a sausage fest.

Oh ya, I AM A GODLESS HEATHEN WHO IS GOING TO HELL.
Your more of a brainless moron who pollutes these forums.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6917|Canberra, AUS

JaMDuDe wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

JaMDuDe wrote:

Cameron

Using logic and reason, its obvious that earth isnt just a coincidence. Heres a movie http://www.illustramedia.com/movies/TPP … w_256k.mov (only a couple minutes long). If you want a good scientific explanation that a lot of scientists agree with then you should get the book. The physical laws and constants are perfect for us to be here. You could use the multiverse or bubble theory to get past this but theres not much good evidence for them.
Watched the movie. Essentially what they're saying backs up my statement that this planet is inhabitable because of a coincidence of a number of different factors. This universe is vast beyond comprehension. The fact that the probability of earth being inhabitable is low means nothing as in a universe this large there are bound to be several planets capable of sustaining life. We just happen to be on one of them...

PS how on earth was that movie supposed to validate the theory that a 'supreme' being exists?!?!?
What they are saying is that life didnt happen by chance. If you use common sense its not reasonable to say it happened by chance when the odds are 1/1,000,000,000,000 and there are only 6,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy. Those are the odds when they gave a 1/10 value to each factor. Thats only one of probably hundreds of things that show theres a creator.
But you still haven't realised that most of those factors are probably redundant.

It would be more correct to say that there is a 1/1,000,000,000,000 of OUR form of life occuring. The chances of ANY sort of life are much, much higher.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6886|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

CameronPoe wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

The tide is the cyclic rising and falling of Earth's ocean surface caused by the tidal forces of the Moon and the Sun acting on the Earth. Tides cause changes in the depth of the sea, and also produce oscillating currents known as tidal streams, making prediction of tides important for coastal navigation (see Tides and navigation, below). The strip of seashore that is submerged at high tide and exposed at low tide, the intertidal zone, is an important ecological product of ocean tides.

The changing tide produced at a given location on the Earth is the result of the changing positions of the Moon and Sun relative to the Earth coupled with the effects of the rotation of the Earth and the local bathymetry (the underwater equivalent to topography). Though the gravitational force exerted by the Sun on the Earth is almost 200 times stronger than that exerted by the Moon, the tidal force produced by the Moon is about twice as strong as that produced by the Sun. The reason for this is that the tidal force is related not to the strength of a gravitational field, but to its gradient. The field gradient decreases with distance from the source more rapidly than does the field strength; as the Sun is about 400 times further from the Earth than is the Moon, the gradient of the Sun's field, and thus the tidal force produced by the Sun, is weaker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide

JaMDuDe your post doesn't seem to make a whole pile of sense. The fact that certain factors coincided to make earth habitable by organic lifeforms is nothing more than just that - a coincidence. To credit 'god'  for this coincidence is just a cop-out with no basis in rationality, reason or logic. All it is is a belief/opinion with no evidence to support it.

I don't know what your reference to physical laws and the big bang are about, maybe you could clarify what you mean so I can respond.
Maybe God caused all of this to take place?  Just so we could exist?
Maybe there's a teapot containing a million dollars orbiting the earth at a height of 25 miles - an equally plausible assertion (that would actually be possible to verify (unlike the god theory!!)).
Maybe God put it there?
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6798

JaMDuDe wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

JaMDuDe wrote:

Cameron

Using logic and reason, its obvious that earth isnt just a coincidence. Heres a movie http://www.illustramedia.com/movies/TPP … w_256k.mov (only a couple minutes long). If you want a good scientific explanation that a lot of scientists agree with then you should get the book. The physical laws and constants are perfect for us to be here. You could use the multiverse or bubble theory to get past this but theres not much good evidence for them.
Watched the movie. Essentially what they're saying backs up my statement that this planet is inhabitable because of a coincidence of a number of different factors. This universe is vast beyond comprehension. The fact that the probability of earth being inhabitable is low means nothing as in a universe this large there are bound to be several planets capable of sustaining life. We just happen to be on one of them...

PS how on earth was that movie supposed to validate the theory that a 'supreme' being exists?!?!?
What they are saying is that life didnt happen by chance. If you use common sense its not reasonable to say it happened by chance when the odds are 1/1,000,000,000,000 and there are only 6,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy. Those are the odds when they gave a 1/10 value to each factor. Thats only one of probably hundreds of things that show theres a creator.
I hardly think we know enough about the universe to accurately calculate the probability of a planet being habitable. That movie piece was low on detail, high on imagery and approximation. Things such as dark matter are only now coming to be understood. How can we know exactly how many planets there are in the universe? How can say anything concrete about the universe given what we yet have to learn about it?
The fact that this planet is habitable is completely down to chance. You believe in God, I believe in reality and probabilities. Because you have no explanation for certain things or because certain things are quite unlikely you choose to say god is responsible, something which you can provide no tangible evidence to prove. That's fine - if that's what makes you tick then that's fair enough. I prefer logic, reason, common sense and rationality.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6798

HM1{N} wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Maybe there's a teapot containing a million dollars orbiting the earth at a height of 25 miles - an equally plausible assertion (that would actually be possible to verify (unlike the god theory!!)).
Maybe God put it there?
Maybe an even more powerful deity called 'George the Omnipotent' created 'god' to do stuff like that. It's all equally preposterous and fanciful.
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6792|CH/BR - in UK

DesertFox423 wrote:

Proud to be Roman Catholic! Although I don't share every single view of the faith, I am sure not everyone is completely in agreement with their religion unless they started it (i.e. David Koresh)
how the hell can you be proud to be roman catholic after the millions of deaths they've caused???? no offence, of course, just clarifying the point...

ok, guys, HOW THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSED TO WIN THIS ARGUMENT? If they believe in a god, whoohoo for them, as long as they don't persistently try to convert us to their religion, who cares??? Leave them alone, start your own religion worshiping you ...
No seriously, this argument is just past the verge of pointlessness...

Last edited by Konfusion0 (2006-06-25 06:15:48)

CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6798

Konfusion0 wrote:

DesertFox423 wrote:

Proud to be Roman Catholic! Although I don't share every single view of the faith, I am sure not everyone is completely in agreement with their religion unless they started it (i.e. David Koresh)
how the hell can you be proud to be roman catholic after the millions of deaths they've caused???? no offence, of course, just clarifying the point...
LOL. In catholicism pride is one of the seven deadly sins too. LOL
KenworthytheKiller
Member
+0|6766

DaLaw wrote:

I am!
me too
Battlefield2Player
Ak-101 Addict
+98|6774
I did some research on the evolution theory, formalized by Charles Darwin.  I noticed a few points of weakness, but here is one of them: 

1 - Lacks reasonable explaination for the origin of life coming from dead chemicals.  Or, in other words, how life got started.

As I'm sure you're aware, for a planet to become populated with living creatures from an empty, lifeless planet, the following would be required-

A) Fit environment in which life can emerge and continue.

B) Way to construct building blocks of life.

C) Large biologically appropriate molecules must be formed by simple ones. (DNA, proteins, etc.)

D) Construction of biological systems (i.e., energy conversion)

E) All of the systems and molecules above must form a living, complex cell.

How could any of these be provided/occur without the support of some sort of supernatural?  I don't think they could.

But, dude, no one is forcing anyone to convert from one religion/thought/belief to another.  And I guarantee you I am not a "troll" trying to "wind people up".  I just felt as though I needed to express my thoughts, as did you, correct?  I will respect your thoughts and beliefs as long as you do mine.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6798

Battlefield2Player wrote:

I did some research on the evolution theory, formalized by Charles Darwin.  I noticed a few points of weakness, but here is one of them: 

1 - Lacks reasonable explaination for the origin of life coming from dead chemicals.  Or, in other words, how life got started.

As I'm sure you're aware, for a planet to become populated with living creatures from an empty, lifeless planet, the following would be required-

A) Fit environment in which life can emerge and continue.

B) Way to construct building blocks of life.

C) Large biologically appropriate molecules must be formed by simple ones. (DNA, proteins, etc.)

D) Construction of biological systems (i.e., energy conversion)

E) All of the systems and molecules above must form a living, complex cell.

How could any of these be provided/occur without the support of some sort of supernatural?  I don't think they could.

But, dude, no one is forcing anyone to convert from one religion/thought/belief to another.  And I guarantee you I am not a "troll" trying to "wind people up".  I just felt as though I needed to express my thoughts, as did you, correct?  I will respect your thoughts and beliefs as long as you do mine.
That's fair enough - I'm not trying to push my views on the matter on anyone. Just expressing myself as you said.
_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|6959|Riva, MD
If you consider Catholic to be Christian then yes I am.
delta4bravo*nl*
Dutch Delight
+68|6995
I hate ALL relegions.
They couse nothing but problems... and a platform for stupid people to follow the stupid things the leader says.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE ONLY WEAK PEOPLE NEED STRONG LEADERS!!!
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6792|CH/BR - in UK

delta4bravo*nl* wrote:

I hate ALL relegions.
They couse nothing but problems... and a platform for stupid people to follow the stupid things the leader says.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE ONLY WEAK PEOPLE NEED STRONG LEADERS!!!
now you're just offending them, you're getting personal... I hold a similar view, but a man has to know when to stop...
[ps, I did not neg karma you, I am just expressing my views on your comment]

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