Unless you are a blue hair, it wasn't you.Kmarion wrote:
Or it was me and my fellow Floridians screwing with voting machines .
I was actually living in FL at that time.
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I was actually living in FL at that time.
All hail the king!
Except this "dictator" hasn't shutdown Prisonplanet, democracynow, etc,etc......topal63 wrote:
What do you expect from this guy (wannabe dictator)?
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And this dickhead echos the sentiment:
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the "Constitution is an outdated document."
Poisoned/murdered someone using Polonium 210..................
Claimed sovereignty over the Artic and it's oil reserves................
Seems this "dictator" is falling behind all the other dictators.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102
FDR made people give up their gold in 1933, and we're not exactly in some kind of Stalinist nightmare state. Even if you claim vagueness, there's no real reason to believe that this is going to be used to take the shirts off of the backs of every anti-war protest.
FDR made people give up their gold in 1933, and we're not exactly in some kind of Stalinist nightmare state. Even if you claim vagueness, there's no real reason to believe that this is going to be used to take the shirts off of the backs of every anti-war protest.
I see a revolution on the horizon.chuyskywalker wrote:
Obviously, I'm not one often to get involved in the D&ST talk section, but somethings are just too monumental to not speak about:
- http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=3127The legalese is a bit tough to muddle through, so I made a translation for you.TFA wrote:
A few days ago, Bush signed a new executive order in which he uses broad language to claim that he has the power to seize the property of any person who undermines efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq. The language in the executive order is broadly defined and does not specifically identify a specific group of individuals that the order applies to. It opens up the possibility of anti-war protesters and other political dissidents having their property confiscated for simply speaking out against the war.I'm upset.TF-EO wrote:
all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States [which could] pose a significant risk of committing, an act [such as] undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq
Damn, if only we had an election sometime soon! If only we could have the ability to hear on every news channel about primaries and elections and the details of every candidate ever, but where oh where could we find something like that?Braddock wrote:
I see a revolution on the horizon.chuyskywalker wrote:
Obviously, I'm not one often to get involved in the D&ST talk section, but somethings are just too monumental to not speak about:
- http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=3127The legalese is a bit tough to muddle through, so I made a translation for you.TFA wrote:
A few days ago, Bush signed a new executive order in which he uses broad language to claim that he has the power to seize the property of any person who undermines efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq. The language in the executive order is broadly defined and does not specifically identify a specific group of individuals that the order applies to. It opens up the possibility of anti-war protesters and other political dissidents having their property confiscated for simply speaking out against the war.I'm upset.TF-EO wrote:
all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States [which could] pose a significant risk of committing, an act [such as] undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq
It just opens the door to holding many people accountable for the act of an individual. By this wording, the owner of the gunstore can be held accountable for the actions of the 'crazy terrorist gunner' due to his material assitance.usmarine2005 wrote:
"to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; "
Is that so bad?
chuys concern was for the loss of our rights. and this sec. 8 clearly states that the order does not "create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against" any american. its just clearly stating that the order can be used against anyone, regardless of their place in society. correct?usmarine2005 wrote:
I guess some of you did read the entire thing right?
"Sec. 8. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers or employees, or any other person. "
It means that smartasses like the rabid anti-war people here can't use the act to try and deprive the U.S. of property in court on the basis that it's the cause of instability in Iraq.
UGADawgs wrote:
Damn, if only we had an election sometime soon! If only we could have the ability to hear on every news channel about primaries and elections and the details of every candidate ever, but where oh where could we find something like that?Braddock wrote:
I see a revolution on the horizon.chuyskywalker wrote:
Obviously, I'm not one often to get involved in the D&ST talk section, but somethings are just too monumental to not speak about:
- http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=3127The legalese is a bit tough to muddle through, so I made a translation for you.TFA wrote:
A few days ago, Bush signed a new executive order in which he uses broad language to claim that he has the power to seize the property of any person who undermines efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq. The language in the executive order is broadly defined and does not specifically identify a specific group of individuals that the order applies to. It opens up the possibility of anti-war protesters and other political dissidents having their property confiscated for simply speaking out against the war.
I'm upset.
the scary thing is thats the moment where they get to use this executive order against U.S. citizens. they can just track down the known dissenters with our new 2008 radio id chips and throw us in FEMA camps. Like every police station in the country has a SWAT team now so good luck with that impressive KDAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
If that's what it takes. I love this country, and fully support our due process system or courts. If the Feds tried to seize my property without due process, I'd take out as many of them as I could. And I guarantee you my K : D ratio would better than 1:1.ATG wrote:
To arms?
This progress of fascism, and our "patriotic" defense of the growing institution is pretty marvelous to watch when you know how ideologically opposed the American should be based on our founding documents. Its like watching a magic act. Some shit that should be impossible but is happening before your eyes. But then our founding documents are pretty old, and life has changed a lot. i guess its no surprise that the average comfortable american has forgotten the necessity for civil rights.
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You're all going to wake up one day and find yourselves living in the Soviet Union!Marinejuana wrote:
the scary thing is thats the moment where they get to use this executive order against U.S. citizens. they can just track down the known dissenters with our new 2008 radio id chips and throw us in FEMA camps. Like every police station in the country has a SWAT team now so good luck with that impressive KDAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
If that's what it takes. I love this country, and fully support our due process system or courts. If the Feds tried to seize my property without due process, I'd take out as many of them as I could. And I guarantee you my K : D ratio would better than 1:1.ATG wrote:
To arms?
This progress of fascism, and our "patriotic" defense of the growing instutution is pretty marvelous to watch when you know how ideologically opposed the American should be based on our founding documents. Its like watching a magic act. Some shit that should be impossible but is happening before your eyes. But then our founding documents are pretty old, and life has changed a lot. i guess its no surprise that the average comfortable american has forgotten the necessity for civil rights.
Until the election......Braddock wrote:
You're all going to wake up one day and find yourselves living in the Soviet Union!
And so will you when you realize that its European international bankers that rule the united states.Braddock wrote:
You're all going to wake up one day and find yourselves living in the Soviet Union!Marinejuana wrote:
the scary thing is thats the moment where they get to use this executive order against U.S. citizens. they can just track down the known dissenters with our new 2008 radio id chips and throw us in FEMA camps. Like every police station in the country has a SWAT team now so good luck with that impressive KDAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
If that's what it takes. I love this country, and fully support our due process system or courts. If the Feds tried to seize my property without due process, I'd take out as many of them as I could. And I guarantee you my K : D ratio would better than 1:1.
This progress of fascism, and our "patriotic" defense of the growing instutution is pretty marvelous to watch when you know how ideologically opposed the American should be based on our founding documents. Its like watching a magic act. Some shit that should be impossible but is happening before your eyes. But then our founding documents are pretty old, and life has changed a lot. i guess its no surprise that the average comfortable american has forgotten the necessity for civil rights.
First of all, forgive me if this has been discussed but I didn't read all 6 pages yet.
So let me get this straight. Let's say I take participate in a big anti-something protest, where somehow it gets ugly and you get clashes with the police (the latter have been found to start the violence many a time). Does that mean that if I get caught I'll be a non peaceful protester? Because if that's the case then this is really messed up.Pug wrote:
I think its more focused towards non-peaceful protests or support of what the government considers to be the enemy
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where bush and his clowns are replaced with a similar set of tools with the same objective...usmarine2005 wrote:
Until the election......Braddock wrote:
You're all going to wake up one day and find yourselves living in the Soviet Union!
Wow, I just read the entire thread and all I can say is I have never seen the BF2s neo-cons get so utterly face raped in all my time here.
I could of sworn I made a thread talking about how this shit was going to start happening a while back. I also remember everyone saying I was a paranoid conspiracy theorist. Well, now it's happening, so fuck you all.
I could of sworn I made a thread talking about how this shit was going to start happening a while back. I also remember everyone saying I was a paranoid conspiracy theorist. Well, now it's happening, so fuck you all.
Face raped?
What the hell?
Bush left us long before we left him.
Loyalty to a liar is stupidity.
What the hell?
Bush left us long before we left him.
Loyalty to a liar is stupidity.
It's getting crazy man...air raid sirens are going off, mass rioting......it is a fucking mess.Cougar wrote:
Wow, I just read the entire thread and all I can say is I have never seen the BF2s neo-cons get so utterly face raped in all my time here.
I could of sworn I made a thread talking about how this shit was going to start happening a while back. I also remember everyone saying I was a paranoid conspiracy theorist. Well, now it's happening, so fuck you all.
Oh wait, nobody seems to care.
execute ORDER 66
Yeah, it's hardly as if all the crap GW has done is going to Ctrl + Z it's self when Bush leaves office. I'm confused as to why USM has so much confidence in the next batch of government.CommieChipmunk wrote:
where bush and his clowns are replaced with a similar set of tools with the same objective...usmarine2005 wrote:
Until the election......Braddock wrote:
You're all going to wake up one day and find yourselves living in the Soviet Union!
Loyalty to a failed idea is also stupidity.ATG wrote:
Face raped?
What the hell?
Bush left us long before we left him.
Loyalty to a liar is stupidity.
Conservatism is NOT a failed idea.
Which idea you referring to?
Which idea you referring to?
I said it as clear as I possibly could. The President is invoking the International Emergency Economic Powers Act on US citizens to promote political reform in a foreign country. If you can't see the danger in that I've said all I can.
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Neo/Ultra-Conservatism is however.ATG wrote:
Conservatism is NOT a failed idea.
Which idea you referring to?
Cause that is what they promise...duh.ghettoperson wrote:
I'm confused as to why USM has so much confidence in the next batch of government.
Jeez.
/sarcasm