blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|6941|Little Rock, Arkansas

madark wrote:

i think the country i would least want to be a pow is actually the us. in addition to being tortured you get to be humiliated:/ saddam without pants and all that.. it`s just wrong.
Please tell me you're kidding, or like 12 or something. Going without pants? How about some of these wonderful resort spots: 

Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China, Turkey, Uganda, Nigeria, Liberia, Monrovia, Rwanda, and Morroco.

From Human Rights Watch:

The Iranian authorities have managed, in the span of four years, to virtually silence the political opposition within the country through the systematic use of indefinite solitary confinement of political prisoners, physical torture of student activists, and denial of basic due process rights to all those detained for the expression of dissenting views. Paradoxically, criticism of government policies has increased over the past several years on the streets, in shopping lines, in taxis, within homes. But those engaged in criticism on the record—newspapers, websites, public statements of members of parliament, and legally organized protests—have been silenced.

The former political detainees interviewed for this report were denied the most basic aspects of due process, including rights of access to counsel, to be formally charged, to prepare a defense, and to have a public trial. Many were held in small basement solitary cells for weeks or months without any contact with other human beings except their interrogators. Some were denied medical care. Judges used confessions extracted through torture, ill-treatment, or the threat of continued isolation to hand down prison terms, fines, and lashings.


You would really rather be imprisoned as a POW by these places than the US? I call bullshit. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Why don't you ask some of the REAL POW's that the US has taken over the years. Most of them were so tortured and abused that they chose to stay here after the cesession of hostilities and make their life here.

Dream on. I'm not saying that the US is perfect, but it tries pretty hard.
madark
Member
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hey i think the us is a great country.. i just wouldn`t want to be a pow there.. it`s not like the us doesn`t torture people though.. not trying to insult anyone here you know.. (implication that i was 12 years old)
but i`d take some lonely torture over world wide humilation + torture any day.

btw : the UN was denied access to the us prison camps for a reason.
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|6941|Little Rock, Arkansas
Now hold on, I thought we were talking about POWs, soldiers that are captured on the field of battle.... the folks at Gitmo are NOT POW's. They never have been.

And sorry about the 12 year old shot, you know how these boards are. Its almost too easy . I get spoiled at my adults-only boards.
Anyway, to answer the original question, I'd most like to be captured by the US, the UK, or Kuwait. I'd least like to get captured by Iran or Syria.
Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7059
PoWs, enemy combatants, that's just semantics that the white house throws around to confuse people. they are prisoners of the us government who are not american citizens. just because the us refuses to label them as 'PoWs' does not mean they can be tortured.
Speed84
Member
+0|7009|Norge/Norway/Norwegen

blisteringsilence wrote:

Now hold on, I thought we were talking about POWs, soldiers that are captured on the field of battle.... the folks at Gitmo are NOT POW's. They never have been.

And sorry about the 12 year old shot, you know how these boards are. Its almost too easy . I get spoiled at my adults-only boards.
Anyway, to answer the original question, I'd most like to be captured by the US, the UK, or Kuwait. I'd least like to get captured by Iran or Syria.
The combatans that was captured in Afgahnistan was POWs. In combat where as enemy soldiers dont use uniforms, little or no command strukture and may or may not be pressed in to combat. Thise 'soldiers' can not be expected to live up to the conventions 60 or so year old term of an "leagal combatant."

To the topic; least: the us: if they go to the step of troture. They are very good at it! (my inteigence officer have given us some chilling exaples) Though places like Iran and Syria can be a very bad pace to be.
the most; cannada, norway, sweden, danmark.

blisteringsilence: You DONT want to be captured by the uk. You have no idea what they wil do to you!

Krappyappy: pow; Prisoner of War. Is an enemy combatant that has surrenderd or have been renderd incapeble to fight (i.e. wounded). POWs has certin rights in most nations. (The nations that has rattefied the Geneva convention, like the us) Like; They can't be attacked. They have the right to medical care, on the same line as friendly soldiers. Protected against abuse and torture. They need only to state Rank (if any), name and number (if any). They are to be released when hostileties are over.

Got to stop, or this rant wil never end.

Last edited by Speed84 (2005-12-21 22:58:17)

Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6894|United States of America
I would like to be a POW in China because I like chinesse food.  MMMMMM, sweet and sour chicken here I come.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6883
surrender? POW?  whats that?
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6789|Southeastern USA
I was hoping not to enter the frypan over the Abu Ghraib bullshit, but since some of the Michael Moore types bring it up.

They were in a holding cell= being processed for having started a riot in the yard
They were naked= they had just been strip searched
They were shaven=standard OP in many prisons of this nature to combat louse infestation
They were hooded=they outnumbered the guards
They were stacked=this prevents them rushing the guards that they outnumbered
They were on leashes=because they were hooded

The only thing that might be remotely deemed inappropriate was Englund posing in the pictures, the pictures themselves were standard documentation of the penal (teehee) process.
Assuming they did all of this in the name of torture, WTF THAT'S EMBARASSING AT MOST, that's not fucking torture, as I told someone in a karma score, if you wanna see torture you give me a box of paper clips, lemon juice, a cigarrette lighter, and a Celine Dione album and I'll show you torture. Lindy Englund may have needed to be reprimanded for being in the pics, but her punishment was over the top for the crime. She was a political victim sacrificed to save face in the name of public relations, the dumb fucks in charge are too asinine to realize that no amount of appeasement will back the critics off, they should just stick to playing hardball and let history be the judge. Send those terrorist fucks to Leavenworth, they'll be begging for that girl to come shave them.

And no, the terrorist are not subject to the privileges of the Geneva Convention, even if a coalition force caps them from a nation that has ratified it, there are many reasons, the most prominent being that they do not fight in uniform and hide themselves in the civilian population.

If a hot poker saves one life, LIGHT EM UP!!

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GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6883
you should read about what saddam did to his prisoners
yerded
Bertinator
+255|6876|Westminster, California
What gunslinger said.
Xietsu
Banned
+50|6796
Such a situation is silly to pose without a set of parameters to guide the experience. For instance, did you have a uniform on when you were captured (i.e. emblem rank identifiers); did you injure some of your captives before your being "acquisitioned"; did you get overwhelmed and pummeled into subjugation; did you willingly surrender? All of those factors (and of course, more) could play a great role into how a certain nation would treat you. From the word 'round the block, I hear the asians aren't too keen on holding prisoners as such. And anyways, even if you chose some country like Iceland, who's to say they wouldn't deport you to U.S. authorities? In reality, anything is in the ball park, and to rule out the potentiality of ending up in a worst case scenario -- were any one of the above factors to have been negative from the perspective of your captors -- is foolish. Most people here have merely been grunts within their military exposure, and I doubt, with quite a degree, that you'd have witnessed how certain POW undertakings have been conducted (from procuration to interrogation). Anyone willing to delve into the handlings of one another during the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Civil War, I'd be glad to hear from you, although I don't really know how the POW situation went in those two conflicts. O_o'
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6789|Southeastern USA
The only POW's taken of the events most mentioned here were Saddam's Republican Guard and soldiers, once you take off your uniform, use hospitals, schools, and mosques as shelters, use civilians as human shields, hide bombs in dead bodies, play dead til you snap the trigger on you own bomb, or send women and children civvy's to gather intel or deliver explosives themselves you are no longer privy to the protections of the Geneva convention.
Cybargs
Moderated
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i would say USA or Australia, hell other countries treat their POW like shit... i thought there is a law about not interrigating pow's, plz correct me if im wrong...
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GunSlinger OIF II
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+1,860|6883

Xietsu wrote:

Such a situation is silly to pose without a set of parameters to guide the experience. For instance, did you have a uniform on when you were captured (i.e. emblem rank identifiers); did you injure some of your captives before your being "acquisitioned"; did you get overwhelmed and pummeled into subjugation; did you willingly surrender? All of those factors (and of course, more) could play a great role into how a certain nation would treat you. From the word 'round the block, I hear the asians aren't too keen on holding prisoners as such. And anyways, even if you chose some country like Iceland, who's to say they wouldn't deport you to U.S. authorities? In reality, anything is in the ball park, and to rule out the potentiality of ending up in a worst case scenario -- were any one of the above factors to have been negative from the perspective of your captors -- is foolish. Most people here have merely been grunts within their military exposure, and I doubt, with quite a degree, that you'd have witnessed how certain POW undertakings have been conducted (from procuration to interrogation). Anyone willing to delve into the handlings of one another during the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Civil War, I'd be glad to hear from you, although I don't really know how the POW situation went in those two conflicts. O_o'
your jumping to conclusions assuming what real life soldiers actually do and dont know . you're wrong

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-06-03 09:14:55)

Sh1fty2k5
MacSwedish
+113|6949|Sweden
Probably Finland. They'd take me in, give me something to eat and set me free again. And they'd give me my gun back. With new ammo
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6893
To answer the question who would you most/least like to held PoW by you are really saying who you would most like to fight for/against.  And in this sense the question is irrelevant, because by definition you would not have a choice about who you fight against if your country drafted you to fight.  I see this thread as a hollow attempt to try and say that American treatment of PoWs is acceptable when compared to other countries who violate PoWs rights.

I suppose if breaking the Geneva Convention rules on PoW treatment is fine if the people you arrest aren't wearing a uniform, that would explain why they were in such a hurry to break these two soldiers out. 

www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context … icleId=972

The simple answer is they knew exactly what treatment they would be receiving as they trained the Iraqi police force in interrogation techniques.  And they knew they would break, as those techniques would get a confession out of a saint.  This paragraph is just opinion, btw. 

Quite frankly being held prisoner of war by any country is never going to be a barrel of laughs, but I reckon the real determining factor in treatment is how you were captured (e.g. they might go easy if you surrender, alternatively they might find this despicable and treat you extra bad) and what rank you are (e.g. an officer would be a more likely torture candidate than a private).
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6883

Sh1fty2k5 wrote:

Probably Finland. They'd take me in, give me something to eat and set me free again. And they'd give me my gun back. With new ammo
thats pretty much what we're doing with most detainees in iraq right now.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6956

Sh1fty2k5 wrote:

Probably Finland. They'd take me in, give me something to eat and set me free again. And they'd give me my gun back. With new ammo
that changed me mind i wanna be a POW in finland
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[BHA]*SharpShooter
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maybe im wrong but how does this fall in debate and serious talk??
just a though.....
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6956

your_girlfriends_mom wrote:

maybe im wrong but how does this fall in debate and serious talk??
just a though.....
POW = prisoner of war, its kind of a serious talk really where it involves information on our countries treat their POW's
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Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6929|Tampa Bay Florida

Horseman 77 wrote:

Whats with this Weak ass "almost" porn. Put a blond wig on that Bitch !
I have never stated how much of a great American you are, Horseman
Xietsu
Banned
+50|6796

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Xietsu wrote:

Such a situation is silly to pose without a set of parameters to guide the experience. For instance, did you have a uniform on when you were captured (i.e. emblem rank identifiers); did you injure some of your captives before your being "acquisitioned"; did you get overwhelmed and pummeled into subjugation; did you willingly surrender? All of those factors (and of course, more) could play a great role into how a certain nation would treat you. From the word 'round the block, I hear the asians aren't too keen on holding prisoners as such. And anyways, even if you chose some country like Iceland, who's to say they wouldn't deport you to U.S. authorities? In reality, anything is in the ball park, and to rule out the potentiality of ending up in a worst case scenario -- were any one of the above factors to have been negative from the perspective of your captors -- is foolish. Most people here have merely been grunts within their military exposure, and I doubt, with quite a degree, that you'd have witnessed how certain POW undertakings have been conducted (from procuration to interrogation). Anyone willing to delve into the handlings of one another during the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Civil War, I'd be glad to hear from you, although I don't really know how the POW situation went in those two conflicts. O_o'
your jumping to conclusions assuming what real life soldiers actually do and dont know . you're wrong
How am I wrong? My conclusions are, by all means, quite logical.
GunSlinger OIF II
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first of all I dont like the way you said " most people have merely been grunts....." that statement right there tells me you have absolutley no concept of what actual "grunts" do in war. your wrong.  I have captured enemy detainees and I have transported enemy detainees as well as stood guard over enemy detainees.I was privy on a few occasions to escorting our S-2 interrogator while he interrogated.  Your making assumptions about grunts and frankly, i take offense.  I dont know where you get your "conclusions" from, but im guessing a lot of war movies where all you see is dumb grunts running in front of machine guns.  Who do you think detains the enemy?
Xietsu
Banned
+50|6796
Mainly, I'm referencing obtainment of highly important individuals -- ones with high rank and influence, and not the typical combatant.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6883
well, what rank are you talking about?

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