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Poll

Did Jesus Exist?

Yes, he was the son of God34%34% - 105
Yes, he was a regular guy, but not the son of God10%10% - 31
Yes, he was a regular guy and God doesn't exist22%22% - 68
Not Enough Evidence to Prove or deny his Existence12%12% - 38
No, he's a myth, but God does exist0%0% - 0
No, he's a myth and God doesn't exist8%8% - 27
Jesus Christ, Another Religious Thread?11%11% - 34
Total: 303
2007-07-10 16:24:40
OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|6959|Washington DC

sergeriver wrote:

topal63 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


There you go.  You really think they are full of shit.  I can't say they all are shit.  Most of them sound like BS, but some parts could be historical facts written by historians from the period.
If your suggesting that I don't accept the Gospel accounts as very accurate - then yes.

But which account-details are accurate and which ones aren't? Where should I draw the line. And which is the most accurate Jesus-theory? I don't know. You're assuming I know - when I point out the problems of pinning a historical reconstruction to the traditional figure of Jesus.
Answer this, is there any possibility that some parts of the Gospels are historically accurate facts written by historians of those times?
I don't know of anyone who would suggest that the text of the Gospels came from historians, however Luke seems to comment at the beginning of that Gospel that he is careful with facts ... so he may be deriving information from multiple sources.

All of the major political characters, place names, and social structures described in the Gospels are not questioned, so far as I know.  In other words, the "setting" appears to be accurately described.
2007-07-10 16:28:46
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6865

OrangeHound wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

topal63 wrote:

If your suggesting that I don't accept the Gospel accounts as very accurate - then yes.

But which account-details are accurate and which ones aren't? Where should I draw the line. And which is the most accurate Jesus-theory? I don't know. You're assuming I know - when I point out the problems of pinning a historical reconstruction to the traditional figure of Jesus.
Answer this, is there any possibility that some parts of the Gospels are historically accurate facts written by historians of those times?
I don't know of anyone who would suggest that the text of the Gospels came from historians, however Luke seems to comment at the beginning of that Gospel that he is careful with facts ... so he may be deriving information from multiple sources.

All of the major political characters, place names, and social structures described in the Gospels are not questioned, so far as I know.  In other words, the "setting" appears to be accurately described.
The best way to garner 'truth', if there is much/any, in the new testament is to look at the inconsistencies between the gospels. By doing this you can tell what spin each author was trying to put on the tale. Far more telling than actually reading it through looking for possible 'facts'.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-07-10 16:29:14)

2007-07-10 17:20:25
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7067|Argentina

OrangeHound wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

topal63 wrote:


If your suggesting that I don't accept the Gospel accounts as very accurate - then yes.

But which account-details are accurate and which ones aren't? Where should I draw the line. And which is the most accurate Jesus-theory? I don't know. You're assuming I know - when I point out the problems of pinning a historical reconstruction to the traditional figure of Jesus.
Answer this, is there any possibility that some parts of the Gospels are historically accurate facts written by historians of those times?
I don't know of anyone who would suggest that the text of the Gospels came from historians, however Luke seems to comment at the beginning of that Gospel that he is careful with facts ... so he may be deriving information from multiple sources.

All of the major political characters, place names, and social structures described in the Gospels are not questioned, so far as I know.  In other words, the "setting" appears to be accurately described.
Sorry, but people who narrate histories can be considered historians, specially from those times when there were a few real historians.
2007-07-10 18:00:42
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6985|Canberra, AUS

akajoneye wrote:

It's nice to see "Yes, he was the son of God" is in the lead. The Bible has countless references to Jesus and hundreds of pages of his own words. I for one have TOTAL FAITH that Jesus was real and he died on the cross for my SINS!  Your other choice would be to NOT believe and spend the rest of your life in Hell.  PERIOD.
Nice to see that ignorance and condescension still run free in the world.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-07-10 20:11:45
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7076|Cambridge (UK)
Option 3, but I don't think he was 'regular' - more 'special' (in the mentally ill sense of the word).
2007-07-10 21:21:57
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|6985|Florida, United States

Spark wrote:

akajoneye wrote:

It's nice to see "Yes, he was the son of God" is in the lead. The Bible has countless references to Jesus and hundreds of pages of his own words. I for one have TOTAL FAITH that Jesus was real and he died on the cross for my SINS!  Your other choice would be to NOT believe and spend the rest of your life in Hell.  PERIOD.
Nice to see that ignorance and condescension still run free in the world.
I was thinking the exact same thing.

To akajoneye, do you really believe you were born with "sins" even though you had not taken your first breath?  Do you really think that you messed up your life in "God's eyes" just by being born, and that only by killing his own son (Jesus), that God would be happy?  Doesn't that sound just a little bit strange to you?

Now I've only read Genesis in the Bible, but even if there are direct quotes from Jesus saying that he is the son of God, why would you believe it?  If I had someone write a book about me with direct quotes from me saying I was born from a virgin mother and that I was the son of God, would you believe me?  I'm gonna guess, no, you wouldn't believe me.  So what makes the Bible so great?

And yes, I'm "a non-believer".  And if you think I'm gonna waste my life worrying about the afterlife so much that I'm going to alter the way I live my life to be more ideal in the view of the Church (which has done countless criminal acts in the past; hardly making it ideal), you're out of your mind.  Even if I am wrong and there really is a God, according to your Bible, I'd would be forgiven because your God is "all-forgiving". 

Which brings me to my next point.  If God is all-forgiving, how can there be a Hell?  Wouldn't he forgive the criminals and let them go to Heaven?  Even if there is some crime that is so heinous and so evil that was committed by man, wouldn't God forgive them if he is truly "all-forgiving"?  Or was that part figurative just like the Genesis chapter?

Final point: Don't you all love how parts of the Bible are taken literally until they are proven incorrect, in which case they become figurative?  I'd bet any amount of money that if you lived in 15th century Europe, you were taught that the world really was created in a week.  Nowadays, the leading Church authority says that was meant to be taken figuratively because "time is fluid in God's eyes".  What about the part they say in Church just before the "Our Father" prayer about "...on the 3rd day he rose again..."?  Is that figurative too or is that literal?

If you actually read my blabbering, you'll see I use very simple logic to disprove the messages of the very complex Christian Church.  I encourage you, akajoneye, to prove me wrong in any of these arguments.
2007-07-10 22:49:47
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6985|Canberra, AUS

Havok wrote:

Spark wrote:

akajoneye wrote:

It's nice to see "Yes, he was the son of God" is in the lead. The Bible has countless references to Jesus and hundreds of pages of his own words. I for one have TOTAL FAITH that Jesus was real and he died on the cross for my SINS!  Your other choice would be to NOT believe and spend the rest of your life in Hell.  PERIOD.
Nice to see that ignorance and condescension still run free in the world.
I was thinking the exact same thing.

To akajoneye, do you really believe you were born with "sins" even though you had not taken your first breath?  Do you really think that you messed up your life in "God's eyes" just by being born, and that only by killing his own son (Jesus), that God would be happy?  Doesn't that sound just a little bit strange to you?

Now I've only read Genesis in the Bible, but even if there are direct quotes from Jesus saying that he is the son of God, why would you believe it?  If I had someone write a book about me with direct quotes from me saying I was born from a virgin mother and that I was the son of God, would you believe me?  I'm gonna guess, no, you wouldn't believe me.  So what makes the Bible so great?

And yes, I'm "a non-believer".  And if you think I'm gonna waste my life worrying about the afterlife so much that I'm going to alter the way I live my life to be more ideal in the view of the Church (which has done countless criminal acts in the past; hardly making it ideal), you're out of your mind.  Even if I am wrong and there really is a God, according to your Bible, I'd would be forgiven because your God is "all-forgiving". 

Which brings me to my next point.  If God is all-forgiving, how can there be a Hell?  Wouldn't he forgive the criminals and let them go to Heaven?  Even if there is some crime that is so heinous and so evil that was committed by man, wouldn't God forgive them if he is truly "all-forgiving"?  Or was that part figurative just like the Genesis chapter?

Final point: Don't you all love how parts of the Bible are taken literally until they are proven incorrect, in which case they become figurative?  I'd bet any amount of money that if you lived in 15th century Europe, you were taught that the world really was created in a week.  Nowadays, the leading Church authority says that was meant to be taken figuratively because "time is fluid in God's eyes".  What about the part they say in Church just before the "Our Father" prayer about "...on the 3rd day he rose again..."?  Is that figurative too or is that literal?

If you actually read my blabbering, you'll see I use very simple logic to disprove the messages of the very complex Christian Church.  I encourage you, akajoneye, to prove me wrong in any of these arguments.
Don't bother. The requirement for holding such a perverted belief is a complete and utter rejection of all forms of logic or reason, so what you just tried to do is akin to drilling through the door of a nuclear bunker with a feather.

N.B. Why is it that three or four religion threads pop up at the same time, when there hasn't been a mention of such a topic for weeks or even months...

Last edited by Spark (2007-07-10 22:53:41)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-07-10 22:55:46
Smitty5613
Member
+46|6837|Middle of nowhere, California

Spark wrote:

Havok wrote:

Spark wrote:

Nice to see that ignorance and condescension still run free in the world.
I was thinking the exact same thing.

To akajoneye, do you really believe you were born with "sins" even though you had not taken your first breath?  Do you really think that you messed up your life in "God's eyes" just by being born, and that only by killing his own son (Jesus), that God would be happy?  Doesn't that sound just a little bit strange to you?

Now I've only read Genesis in the Bible, but even if there are direct quotes from Jesus saying that he is the son of God, why would you believe it?  If I had someone write a book about me with direct quotes from me saying I was born from a virgin mother and that I was the son of God, would you believe me?  I'm gonna guess, no, you wouldn't believe me.  So what makes the Bible so great?

And yes, I'm "a non-believer".  And if you think I'm gonna waste my life worrying about the afterlife so much that I'm going to alter the way I live my life to be more ideal in the view of the Church (which has done countless criminal acts in the past; hardly making it ideal), you're out of your mind.  Even if I am wrong and there really is a God, according to your Bible, I'd would be forgiven because your God is "all-forgiving". 

Which brings me to my next point.  If God is all-forgiving, how can there be a Hell?  Wouldn't he forgive the criminals and let them go to Heaven?  Even if there is some crime that is so heinous and so evil that was committed by man, wouldn't God forgive them if he is truly "all-forgiving"?  Or was that part figurative just like the Genesis chapter?

Final point: Don't you all love how parts of the Bible are taken literally until they are proven incorrect, in which case they become figurative?  I'd bet any amount of money that if you lived in 15th century Europe, you were taught that the world really was created in a week.  Nowadays, the leading Church authority says that was meant to be taken figuratively because "time is fluid in God's eyes".  What about the part they say in Church just before the "Our Father" prayer about "...on the 3rd day he rose again..."?  Is that figurative too or is that literal?

If you actually read my blabbering, you'll see I use very simple logic to disprove the messages of the very complex Christian Church.  I encourage you, akajoneye, to prove me wrong in any of these arguments.
Don't bother. The requirement for holding such a perverted belief is a complete and utter rejection of all forms of logic or reason, so what you just tried to do is akin to drilling through the door of a nuclear bunker with a feather.

N.B. Why is it that three or four religion threads pop up at the same time, when there hasn't been a mention of such a topic for weeks or even months...
wow, so mayny people are bashing Christianity here, it must be for a reason? maybe He is real and they just dont want to accept it?

Last edited by Smitty5613 (2007-07-10 22:56:06)

2007-07-10 22:58:17
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6880|Portland, OR, USA

akajoneye wrote:

It's nice to see "Yes, he was the son of God" is in the lead. The Bible has countless references to Jesus and hundreds of pages of his own words. I for one have TOTAL FAITH that Jesus was real and he died on the cross for my SINS!  Your other choice would be to NOT believe and spend the rest of your life in Hell.  PERIOD.
I feel that any "God" arrogant enough to send "his" people to Hell does not deserve my support.  Why would you create a bunch of people, put them on a huge hunk of carbon (many of whom will never hear this glorious "word of God"), and then decide that if for some reason that any person who happens to dig up the intellect to realize that organized religion is a crock of shit should be sent do hell?  It makes no sense.

I believed the bullshit for the first 14 years of my life.  Gave good money away so that I could go to church camps and such.  Then I sat down, thought about what I was doing for a good 15 minutes and realized how terribly wrong I had been.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not going to spend my life worrying about the small possibility that after I die, I may end up in Hell.  If this "God" really gets pleasure out of sending me to an eternity of pain, then by all means -- I'll be the first to take a pineapple in the ass for him.  Otherwise, I'm not going to let a 2000 year old book -- which has been 'translated' a billion times -- dictate my life.

Smitty5613 wrote:

wow, so mayny people are bashing Christianity here, it must be for a reason? maybe He is real and they just dont want to accept it?
That's the kind of ignorance that drives people to religion.  You're looking for something that isn't there.  People are bashing Christianity because it's real?  Yeah... that makes a shit load of sense.  People bash Christianity because they get tired of hearing the incredibly absurd claims and beliefs.  To each his own I suppose...

Last edited by CommieChipmunk (2007-07-10 23:01:08)

2007-07-10 22:59:49
Smitty5613
Member
+46|6837|Middle of nowhere, California

CommieChipmunk wrote:

akajoneye wrote:

It's nice to see "Yes, he was the son of God" is in the lead. The Bible has countless references to Jesus and hundreds of pages of his own words. I for one have TOTAL FAITH that Jesus was real and he died on the cross for my SINS!  Your other choice would be to NOT believe and spend the rest of your life in Hell.  PERIOD.
I feel that any "God" arrogant enough to send "his" people to Hell does not deserve my support.  Why would you create a bunch of people, put them on a huge hunk of carbon (many of whom will never hear this glorious "word of God"), and then decide that if for some reason that any person who happens to dig up the intellect to realize that organized religion is a crock of shit should be sent do hell?  It makes no sense.

I believed the bullshit for the first 14 years of my life.  Gave good money away so that I could go to church camps and such.  Then I sat down, thought about what I was doing for a good 15 minutes and realized how terribly wrong I had been.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not going to spend my life worrying about the small possibility that after I die, I may end up in Hell.  If this "God" really gets pleasure out of sending me to an eternity of pain, then by all means -- I'll be the first to take a pineapple in the ass for him.  Otherwise, I'm not going to let a 2000 year old book -- which has been 'translated' a billion times -- dictate my life.
im sorry for you commie chipmunk... but, believe what u want....
2007-07-10 23:04:34
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6880|Portland, OR, USA

Smitty5613 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

akajoneye wrote:

It's nice to see "Yes, he was the son of God" is in the lead. The Bible has countless references to Jesus and hundreds of pages of his own words. I for one have TOTAL FAITH that Jesus was real and he died on the cross for my SINS!  Your other choice would be to NOT believe and spend the rest of your life in Hell.  PERIOD.
I feel that any "God" arrogant enough to send "his" people to Hell does not deserve my support.  Why would you create a bunch of people, put them on a huge hunk of carbon (many of whom will never hear this glorious "word of God"), and then decide that if for some reason that any person who happens to dig up the intellect to realize that organized religion is a crock of shit should be sent do hell?  It makes no sense.

I believed the bullshit for the first 14 years of my life.  Gave good money away so that I could go to church camps and such.  Then I sat down, thought about what I was doing for a good 15 minutes and realized how terribly wrong I had been.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not going to spend my life worrying about the small possibility that after I die, I may end up in Hell.  If this "God" really gets pleasure out of sending me to an eternity of pain, then by all means -- I'll be the first to take a pineapple in the ass for him.  Otherwise, I'm not going to let a 2000 year old book -- which has been 'translated' a billion times -- dictate my life.
im sorry for you commie chipmunk... but, believe what u want....
I know... I'ma goin' to Hell.

Believe me kid, this has been explained to me many times.  And if it happens, it happens.  All the cool kids are going to be in Hell anyway right?

Any religion that uses fear as a tactic for recruitment cannot be a legitimate religion in my book.

Last edited by CommieChipmunk (2007-07-10 23:04:46)

2007-07-10 23:09:44
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7085|Noizyland

Jesus was a real man who was crucified for practicing Greek magic. He also had a brother, Simon, who was also later crucified for encouraging people to praise Jesus as the Son of God.
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2007-07-10 23:12:16
Smitty5613
Member
+46|6837|Middle of nowhere, California

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Smitty5613 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

I feel that any "God" arrogant enough to send "his" people to Hell does not deserve my support.  Why would you create a bunch of people, put them on a huge hunk of carbon (many of whom will never hear this glorious "word of God"), and then decide that if for some reason that any person who happens to dig up the intellect to realize that organized religion is a crock of shit should be sent do hell?  It makes no sense.

I believed the bullshit for the first 14 years of my life.  Gave good money away so that I could go to church camps and such.  Then I sat down, thought about what I was doing for a good 15 minutes and realized how terribly wrong I had been.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not going to spend my life worrying about the small possibility that after I die, I may end up in Hell.  If this "God" really gets pleasure out of sending me to an eternity of pain, then by all means -- I'll be the first to take a pineapple in the ass for him.  Otherwise, I'm not going to let a 2000 year old book -- which has been 'translated' a billion times -- dictate my life.
im sorry for you commie chipmunk... but, believe what u want....
I know... I'ma goin' to Hell.

Believe me kid, this has been explained to me many times.  And if it happens, it happens.  All the cool kids are going to be in Hell anyway right?

Any religion that uses fear as a tactic for recruitment cannot be a legitimate religion in my book.
u seem offended? take it easy sport, and if to you there is only a small possibility of hell, then i hope you live life to its fullest, and as for those kids in hell, they arent very cool there.. (no pun intended)

and using fear would be like saying we are gonna blow u with a suicide bomb so we can get like 40 chicks when we die...

Last edited by Smitty5613 (2007-07-10 23:18:47)

2007-07-10 23:22:25
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6985|Canberra, AUS

Smitty5613 wrote:

Spark wrote:

Havok wrote:


I was thinking the exact same thing.

To akajoneye, do you really believe you were born with "sins" even though you had not taken your first breath?  Do you really think that you messed up your life in "God's eyes" just by being born, and that only by killing his own son (Jesus), that God would be happy?  Doesn't that sound just a little bit strange to you?

Now I've only read Genesis in the Bible, but even if there are direct quotes from Jesus saying that he is the son of God, why would you believe it?  If I had someone write a book about me with direct quotes from me saying I was born from a virgin mother and that I was the son of God, would you believe me?  I'm gonna guess, no, you wouldn't believe me.  So what makes the Bible so great?

And yes, I'm "a non-believer".  And if you think I'm gonna waste my life worrying about the afterlife so much that I'm going to alter the way I live my life to be more ideal in the view of the Church (which has done countless criminal acts in the past; hardly making it ideal), you're out of your mind.  Even if I am wrong and there really is a God, according to your Bible, I'd would be forgiven because your God is "all-forgiving". 

Which brings me to my next point.  If God is all-forgiving, how can there be a Hell?  Wouldn't he forgive the criminals and let them go to Heaven?  Even if there is some crime that is so heinous and so evil that was committed by man, wouldn't God forgive them if he is truly "all-forgiving"?  Or was that part figurative just like the Genesis chapter?

Final point: Don't you all love how parts of the Bible are taken literally until they are proven incorrect, in which case they become figurative?  I'd bet any amount of money that if you lived in 15th century Europe, you were taught that the world really was created in a week.  Nowadays, the leading Church authority says that was meant to be taken figuratively because "time is fluid in God's eyes".  What about the part they say in Church just before the "Our Father" prayer about "...on the 3rd day he rose again..."?  Is that figurative too or is that literal?

If you actually read my blabbering, you'll see I use very simple logic to disprove the messages of the very complex Christian Church.  I encourage you, akajoneye, to prove me wrong in any of these arguments.
Don't bother. The requirement for holding such a perverted belief is a complete and utter rejection of all forms of logic or reason, so what you just tried to do is akin to drilling through the door of a nuclear bunker with a feather.

N.B. Why is it that three or four religion threads pop up at the same time, when there hasn't been a mention of such a topic for weeks or even months...
wow, so mayny people are bashing Christianity here, it must be for a reason? maybe He is real and they just dont want to accept it?
Did I say this was the problem with Christianity? Don't make conclusions, and NEVER try to put words in our mouths. It just makes us more bitter and makes religion look MORE ignorant.

And that is using fear. Fear of hell. How is that not using fear is beyond me.

Use some proper logic, if you are capable.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-07-10 23:22:43
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6880|Portland, OR, USA
suicide bombing... or telling preschoolers that Hell is like an oven, and you'll go their if you don't like Christ take the wheel and live your life for you.  Sorry mate, I'm no tool, I'll live my life however I want to live it -- within reason of course.

And offended? Naw, just frustrated that I keep finding myself in these same damn threads. Religion threads are like a plague that hits bf2s every couple of weeks.
2007-07-10 23:23:33
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|6985|Florida, United States

Smitty5613 wrote:

wow, so mayny people are bashing Christianity here, it must be for a reason? maybe He is real and they just dont want to accept it?
AHAHAHAHA!!  I should karma you for that.  Sorry to burst your bubble, but the reason Christianity gets bashed so much here is because we realize how much crap that religion spews.  I mean seriously, open your eyes.  Have you ever met a virgin who had a son?  Have you ever seen a dead man live again?  Have you ever seen the entire earth flood for 40 days?  Have you ever seen a man turn water into wine?  Have you ever seen a man split the second largest river in the world down the middle so he and his men could escape?  If you answered yes to any of those questions, lay off the drugs.  What I just listed are all impossibilities.

Call them miracles if you wish to believe them, but you can't escape reality.  Magic and mysticism don't actually exist.  It's just human imagination that creates them.  It's natural for humans to want to know what happens in their surroundings, such as after death.  It's because we have consciousness that allows us to wonder these things (which is why animals don't have religion).  Death is very strange to us.  In every ancient society there are traces of religion in all shapes and sizes.  You can't actually tell me that just because yours is most popular that it is the truth.  Christianity isn't even unique.  It's absorbed aspects of almost every religion around it, including but not limited to paganism, Egyptian theology, Greek mythology, Judaism, and many more.  Please tell me why this one religion is better than all others.

You talk about Islam like it encourages blowing up people/things.  Stop watching Fox News.  The truth is that Islam preaches that its followers should commence Jihad (a holy war, like a crusade) against any oppressive and unruly power.  Guess what, that's the good 'ol USA.  And you can't tell me they're wrong.  We go over into Muslim lands and beat up the leaders of nations of faulty grounds, take over their nations, and threaten other Muslim nations.  In the Persian Gulf War, we did the stupidest possible thing of landing our troops in Mecca.  Imagine a whole bunch of Muslims armed with futuristic technology (compared to your own anyway) walking through the Vatican.  You'd be pretty pissed off too.  And that's exactly what we did; we landed our troops on the holiest Islamic site on earth, and since we are from the West, we are considered Christian (which most Americans are), which means we defiled their lands.  Islamic Jihadists don't kill themselves just to get virgins in heaven, they truly believe they are doing what their god (Allah) wants them to do.  It may sound silly to you, but that's your cultural bias.
2007-07-10 23:25:02
Smitty5613
Member
+46|6837|Middle of nowhere, California

Havok wrote:

Smitty5613 wrote:

wow, so mayny people are bashing Christianity here, it must be for a reason? maybe He is real and they just dont want to accept it?
AHAHAHAHA!!  I should karma you for that.  Sorry to burst your bubble, but the reason Christianity gets bashed so much here is because we realize how much crap that religion spews.  I mean seriously, open your eyes.  Have you ever met a virgin who had a son?  Have you ever seen a dead man live again?  Have you ever seen the entire earth flood for 40 days?  Have you ever seen a man turn water into wine?  Have you ever seen a man split the second largest river in the world down the middle so he and his men could escape?  If you answered yes to any of those questions, lay off the drugs.  What I just listed are all impossibilities.

Call them miracles if you wish to believe them, but you can't escape reality.  Magic and mysticism don't actually exist.  It's just human imagination that creates them.  It's natural for humans to want to know what happens in their surroundings, such as after death.  It's because we have consciousness that allows us to wonder these things (which is why animals don't have religion).  Death is very strange to us.  In every ancient society there are traces of religion in all shapes and sizes.  You can't actually tell me that just because yours is most popular that it is the truth.  Christianity isn't even unique.  It's absorbed aspects of almost every religion around it, including but not limited to paganism, Egyptian theology, Greek mythology, Judaism, and many more.  Please tell me why this one religion is better than all others.

You talk about Islam like it encourages blowing up people/things.  Stop watching Fox News.  The truth is that Islam preaches that its followers should commence Jihad (a holy war, like a crusade) against any oppressive and unruly power.  Guess what, that's the good 'ol USA.  And you can't tell me they're wrong.  We go over into Muslim lands and beat up the leaders of nations of faulty grounds, take over their nations, and threaten other Muslim nations.  In the Persian Gulf War, we did the stupidest possible thing of landing our troops in Mecca.  Imagine a whole bunch of Muslims armed with futuristic technology (compared to your own anyway) walking through the Vatican.  You'd be pretty pissed off too.  And that's exactly what we did; we landed our troops on the holiest Islamic site on earth, and since we are from the West, we are considered Christian (which most Americans are), which means we defiled their lands.  Islamic Jihadists don't kill themselves just to get virgins in heaven, they truly believe they are doing what their god (Allah) wants them to do.  It may sound silly to you, but that's your cultural bias.
again with the bashing... wow... such anger... lol
2007-07-10 23:28:46
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6880|Portland, OR, USA

Smitty5613 wrote:

again with the bashing... wow... such anger... lol
This is why I don't take religion seriously.

1) Obviously you're not thinking rationally.. at all.
2) When confronted with factual information, a plethora of miracles appear.
3) When religions people get completely owned and proven wrong they resort to the tactic shown above.
2007-07-10 23:29:54
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|6985|Florida, United States

Smitty5613 wrote:

Havok wrote:

Smitty5613 wrote:

wow, so mayny people are bashing Christianity here, it must be for a reason? maybe He is real and they just dont want to accept it?
AHAHAHAHA!!  I should karma you for that.  Sorry to burst your bubble, but the reason Christianity gets bashed so much here is because we realize how much crap that religion spews.  I mean seriously, open your eyes.  Have you ever met a virgin who had a son?  Have you ever seen a dead man live again?  Have you ever seen the entire earth flood for 40 days?  Have you ever seen a man turn water into wine?  Have you ever seen a man split the second largest river in the world down the middle so he and his men could escape?  If you answered yes to any of those questions, lay off the drugs.  What I just listed are all impossibilities.

Call them miracles if you wish to believe them, but you can't escape reality.  Magic and mysticism don't actually exist.  It's just human imagination that creates them.  It's natural for humans to want to know what happens in their surroundings, such as after death.  It's because we have consciousness that allows us to wonder these things (which is why animals don't have religion).  Death is very strange to us.  In every ancient society there are traces of religion in all shapes and sizes.  You can't actually tell me that just because yours is most popular that it is the truth.  Christianity isn't even unique.  It's absorbed aspects of almost every religion around it, including but not limited to paganism, Egyptian theology, Greek mythology, Judaism, and many more.  Please tell me why this one religion is better than all others.

You talk about Islam like it encourages blowing up people/things.  Stop watching Fox News.  The truth is that Islam preaches that its followers should commence Jihad (a holy war, like a crusade) against any oppressive and unruly power.  Guess what, that's the good 'ol USA.  And you can't tell me they're wrong.  We go over into Muslim lands and beat up the leaders of nations of faulty grounds, take over their nations, and threaten other Muslim nations.  In the Persian Gulf War, we did the stupidest possible thing of landing our troops in Mecca.  Imagine a whole bunch of Muslims armed with futuristic technology (compared to your own anyway) walking through the Vatican.  You'd be pretty pissed off too.  And that's exactly what we did; we landed our troops on the holiest Islamic site on earth, and since we are from the West, we are considered Christian (which most Americans are), which means we defiled their lands.  Islamic Jihadists don't kill themselves just to get virgins in heaven, they truly believe they are doing what their god (Allah) wants them to do.  It may sound silly to you, but that's your cultural bias.
again with the bashing... wow... such anger... lol
It's not anger at all.  I'm having a great time right now.  What I want you to do is tell me why you believe in Christianity.  I told you why I don't, now tell me why you do.
2007-07-10 23:30:38
Smitty5613
Member
+46|6837|Middle of nowhere, California

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Smitty5613 wrote:

again with the bashing... wow... such anger... lol
This is why I don't take religion seriously.

1) Obviously you're not thinking rationally.. at all.
2) When confronted with factual information, a plethora of miracles appear.
3) When religions people get completely owned and proven wrong they resort to the tactic shown above.
ur right, i got owned... i think im gonna change and believe that we came from monkeys... you win, goodnight...
2007-07-10 23:33:04
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|6985|Florida, United States

Smitty5613 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Smitty5613 wrote:

again with the bashing... wow... such anger... lol
This is why I don't take religion seriously.

1) Obviously you're not thinking rationally.. at all.
2) When confronted with factual information, a plethora of miracles appear.
3) When religions people get completely owned and proven wrong they resort to the tactic shown above.
ur right, i got owned... i think im gonna change and believe that we came from monkeys... you win, goodnight...
I don't understand how you are so arrogant to imply that we are better than monkeys and that we could not have come from them, yet you instantly belittle yourself before your god.  Where is your logic?  Your pride?
2007-07-10 23:34:26
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6880|Portland, OR, USA

Havok wrote:

Smitty5613 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

This is why I don't take religion seriously.

1) Obviously you're not thinking rationally.. at all.
2) When confronted with factual information, a plethora of miracles appear.
3) When religions people get completely owned and proven wrong they resort to the tactic shown above.
ur right, i got owned... i think im gonna change and believe that we came from monkeys... you win, goodnight...
I don't understand how you are so arrogant to imply that we are better than monkeys and that we could not have come from them, yet you instantly belittle yourself before your god.  Where is your logic?  Your pride?
Logic + religion = atheism

and actually, it there's proof that we came from monkeys.  Proof that actually makes sense and can be backed up.  See, this is the neat thing about not being tied down to one way of thinking.  You can look at facts for what they are, not try to change them so that what you believe makes a little more sense.

Last edited by CommieChipmunk (2007-07-10 23:35:53)

2007-07-10 23:37:05
Smitty5613
Member
+46|6837|Middle of nowhere, California

Havok wrote:

Smitty5613 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:


This is why I don't take religion seriously.

1) Obviously you're not thinking rationally.. at all.
2) When confronted with factual information, a plethora of miracles appear.
3) When religions people get completely owned and proven wrong they resort to the tactic shown above.
ur right, i got owned... i think im gonna change and believe that we came from monkeys... you win, goodnight...
I don't understand how you are so arrogant to imply that we are better than monkeys and that we could not have come from them, yet you instantly belittle yourself before your god.  Where is your logic?  Your pride?
w8 a minute, u think we are equal to monkeys??? and yes, i belittle myself before my God, logic? i guess i need to sho lots of logic when im arguing online... and pride? well im just too damn good to show it..
2007-07-10 23:39:17
Smitty5613
Member
+46|6837|Middle of nowhere, California

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Havok wrote:

Smitty5613 wrote:


ur right, i got owned... i think im gonna change and believe that we came from monkeys... you win, goodnight...
I don't understand how you are so arrogant to imply that we are better than monkeys and that we could not have come from them, yet you instantly belittle yourself before your god.  Where is your logic?  Your pride?
Logic + religion = atheism

and actually, it there's proof that we came from monkeys.  Proof that actually makes sense and can be backed up.  See, this is the neat thing about not being tied down to one way of thinking.  You can look at facts for what they are, not try to change them so that what you believe makes a little more sense.
ok, well im gonna go hang out with my cousin, he lives in Washington, u might have heard of him; hes about 10ft tall, very hairy, and he smells horrible, his nickname is Bigfoot.. hes the man, err... ape-man
2007-07-10 23:39:22
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6985|Canberra, AUS

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Havok wrote:

Smitty5613 wrote:


ur right, i got owned... i think im gonna change and believe that we came from monkeys... you win, goodnight...
I don't understand how you are so arrogant to imply that we are better than monkeys and that we could not have come from them, yet you instantly belittle yourself before your god.  Where is your logic?  Your pride?
Logic + religion = atheism

and actually, it there's proof that we came from monkeys.  Proof that actually makes sense and can be backed up.  See, this is the neat thing about not being tied down to one way of thinking.  You can look at facts for what they are, not try to change them so that what you believe makes a little more sense.
I quote for truth.

Don't believe that all scientists adhere to ONE theory of evolution. There are constantly currently many debates going on inside evolution - e.g. the speed of evolution, which mechanisms are more important, whether this piece or that piece of evidence is of value, etc. etc. But all agree on the basics.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman

 

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