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2007-07-10 09:29:48

EVieira: Member; +105|6901|Lutenblaag, Molvania

ATG wrote:
I've been saying it all along; the moment the U.S. appears to fail in Iraq look for Turkey to invade from the north.
Saudi Arabia will go to war with Iran and Iraq will be the battlefield.

The build-up is natural, the country seems to be spiraling down into a bloody civil war. The US would the same if it was Mexico. You have to protect your borders.

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2007-07-10 11:30:01

AutralianChainsaw: Member; +65|6621

CDK3Y wrote:
ummm well mass confusion and a whole bunch of OMG WTF's....If Turks attack first, the americans will have to step back, they cannot afford to conflict with a new powerful force. America is in no situation to start a conflict, maybe Israel will help, but if they do, the Iranians will be like OMG!!!!!!JEWHAD!!!!!!!and they would be like ARRGHH!!!! AATTACK! then America would be like OH NOES! ISRAEL! *fight iran*...yea WWIII pretty much....oh and the Palenstinians will be like ARRRGHHH!!!!! INTIFADA!!!!!!! too

LOL

2007-07-10 12:25:10

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6978

Nice little mess the US have got themselves into, eh?

2007-07-10 12:26:17

Ottomania: Troll has returned.; +62|6944|Istanbul-Turkey

ATG wrote:
Ottomania wrote:
well, we may take some oil but that isnt the main purpose to go there, as yours.

we cannot let the oil money get into the hands of the radicals."
rumsfeld
Are you suggesting that the main reason America went there is for oil?

" we cannot let the oil money get into the hands of the radicals. "

seems so. whats the reason for you?

2007-07-10 12:26:24

naightknifar: Served and Out; +642|6984|Southampton, UK

Weeeyyyy.
I'm out there in 2years encounting.

2007-07-10 13:24:45

rawls2: Mr. Bigglesworth; +89|6983

ATG wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8Q97U100&show_article=1

I've been saying it all along; the moment the U.S. appears to fail in Iraq look for Turkey to invade from the north.
Saudi Arabia will go to war with Iran and Iraq will be the battlefield.

You know, there is some possibility that this is all part of some grander strategy that W has. I'm just saying.
Maybe complete chaos and a cratered landscape was the intention all along.
The Middle East in flames. Displaced people. Starvation. Disease.

Paybacks are a bitch.

http://www.analogartsensemble.net/blog/2087.jpg

Please explain how I've got this totally wrong.

God i hope ATG is right. Amen.

2007-07-10 13:29:58

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6978

rawls2 wrote:
ATG wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8Q97U100&show_article=1

I've been saying it all along; the moment the U.S. appears to fail in Iraq look for Turkey to invade from the north.
Saudi Arabia will go to war with Iran and Iraq will be the battlefield.

You know, there is some possibility that this is all part of some grander strategy that W has. I'm just saying.
Maybe complete chaos and a cratered landscape was the intention all along.
The Middle East in flames. Displaced people. Starvation. Disease.

Paybacks are a bitch.

http://www.analogartsensemble.net/blog/2087.jpg

Please explain how I've got this totally wrong.
God i hope ATG is right. Amen.

'Payback' has cost America more than 3000 soldiers. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a bad thing isn't it?

2007-07-10 14:34:11

imortal: Member; +240|7088|Austin, TX

Ottomania wrote:
ATG wrote:
Ottomania wrote:
well, we may take some oil but that isnt the main purpose to go there, as yours.

we cannot let the oil money get into the hands of the radicals."
rumsfeld
Are you suggesting that the main reason America went there is for oil?

" we cannot let the oil money get into the hands of the radicals. "
seems so. whats the reason for you?

I suppose that none of you ever gave a thought to it maybe not being about oil? Ok, didn't think so. To most of you, the US goverement is evil, and all you have to do is look for the REAL motivation behind whatever they do. The oil is supposed to be under the control of the Iraqi goverment. The sales and profits are to go to the Iraqi goverment. Why do the insurgents keep bombing the oil infrastructure? To keep the oil from flowing, to keep the goverment from getting its financial windfall, to prevent the goverment from having the funds to actually improve condidtions. Because if the conditions improved, the insurgents would have a harder time trying to take over the country.

And if we (the US) were letting BIG OIL have the oil on the cheap (granted, their recorods are public access, so how would they explain the cheap oil? Oh yeah, cook the books and pocket the profit?), then wouldn't the price of our gas spike when the insurgents took out a oil pipeline instead of when OPEC alters their production? And wouldn't the BIG OIL companies who run GWB and the goverment were being hurt by the insurgents stopping oil production, wouldn't they do a LOT more about getting rid of them, and getting more controlable people into place? I thought BIG OIL was so powerful it ran our country?

2007-07-10 15:31:54

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6952|Global Command

Ottomania wrote:
ATG wrote:
Ottomania wrote:
well, we may take some oil but that isnt the main purpose to go there, as yours.

we cannot let the oil money get into the hands of the radicals."
rumsfeld
Are you suggesting that the main reason America went there is for oil?

" we cannot let the oil money get into the hands of the radicals. "
seems so. whats the reason for you?

I signed up on the " bringing freedom to unhappy people " cause.

As to the real motives, I don't know anymore.

2007-07-10 19:26:06

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7189|Cambridge (UK)

CameronPoe wrote:
'Payback' has cost America more than 3000 soldiers. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a bad thing isn't it?

3000 less Americans. That's never a bad thing.

<*climbs into flame-proof bunker*>

^{(that's a JOKE, btw)}

2007-07-10 19:52:24

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6952|Global Command

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
'Payback' has cost America more than 3000 soldiers. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a bad thing isn't it?
3000 less Americans. That's never a bad thing.

<*climbs into flame-proof bunker*>

^{(that's a JOKE, btw)}

Good, or bad, as it means your sense of humor is pretty whacked, or you're not funny.

2007-07-10 20:05:15

DeathBecomesYu: Member; +171|6602

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
'Payback' has cost America more than 3000 soldiers. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a bad thing isn't it?
3000 less Americans. That's never a bad thing.

<*climbs into flame-proof bunker*>

^{(that's a JOKE, btw)}

Actually, I take great offense to this "joke". A friend of mine lost his son in action in Iraq. I helped this kid by helping pay his way to study abroad and he fought for this country and died for it. This kid was proud to be in Iraq and his parents are proud of him as well.

People wonder why Americans get upset about all the negative posts on this site......good example here. A careless, tasteless...actually pretty sick joke.

2007-07-10 20:08:43

CDK3Y: Member; +25|6562|BEHIND YOU!

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
'Payback' has cost America more than 3000 soldiers. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a bad thing isn't it?
3000 less Americans. That's never a bad thing.

<*climbs into flame-proof bunker*>

^{(that's a JOKE, btw)}

yea man...i mean...your talking about people dying and making fun of it....looks like everybody is gonna drop a bunker buster on you

2007-07-10 20:21:20

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7189|Cambridge (UK)

Yeah, it may have been a very sick joke. I'll admit that. But you know what, having a sense of humour and being able to joke about these things is a very important step in coming to terms with it. I'm sorry you guys can't do that.

2007-07-10 20:24:55

CDK3Y: Member; +25|6562|BEHIND YOU!

Cope with what? people dont get depressed when somebody gives his or her life for their country, they feel proud that such a person lived and they cherish his memory, not make fun of it

2007-07-10 20:27:00

DeathBecomesYu: Member; +171|6602

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Yeah, it may have been a very sick joke. I'll admit that. But you know what, having a sense of humour and being able to joke about these things is a very important step in coming to terms with it. I'm sorry you guys can't do that.

Hmmmm...I should have a sense of humor about the deaths of American soldiers? Let me show my friend's family this joke and use your logic...I'm sure they will get a laugh out of it..........oh, I forgot...they need to laugh and come to terms with it.....

Sorry...I think they WON'T do that!

2007-07-10 20:27:21

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7067

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Yeah, it may have been a very sick joke. I'll admit that. But you know what, having a sense of humour and being able to joke about these things is a very important step in coming to terms with it. I'm sorry you guys can't do that.

dont be sorry, just be a bit more respectful.

2007-07-10 20:28:10

stryyker: bad touch; +1,682|7143|California

Hopefully I don't get pulled into all this. Unless its against Iran, because that wouldn't be much of a war anyways

2007-07-10 20:32:35

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7189|Cambridge (UK)

CDK3Y wrote:
Cope with what? people dont get depressed when somebody gives his or her life for their country, they feel proud that such a person lived and they cherish his memory, not make fun of it

Actually, ignoring the fact that some people do get depressed under those circumstance, I wasn't make fun of any individual soldier. I was making fun of America and Americans in general. There is a difference. If I'd have said "HA! Private Whats-his-name got killed. Good, that's one less American." then you'd have had a point. I didn't. I said "3000 less Americans is a good thing." - big difference.

2007-07-10 20:37:27

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7189|Cambridge (UK)

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Yeah, it may have been a very sick joke. I'll admit that. But you know what, having a sense of humour and being able to joke about these things is a very important step in coming to terms with it. I'm sorry you guys can't do that.
dont be sorry, just be a bit more respectful.

Again, being able to joke about it is not being disrespectful. I have a lot of respect for the individual soldiers that have given up their lives. Just as I have a great respect for my own relatives that have died in battle. I can still joke about it.

For example, this wasn't in war time, but one of my relatives died when his plane crashed into a greenhouse - that's very funny - and I have made jokes about it - I don't have any less respect for him as a person.

2007-07-10 20:39:24

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7067

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Yeah, it may have been a very sick joke. I'll admit that. But you know what, having a sense of humour and being able to joke about these things is a very important step in coming to terms with it. I'm sorry you guys can't do that.
dont be sorry, just be a bit more respectful.
Again, being able to joke about it is not being disrespectful. I have a lot of respect for the individual soldiers that have given up their lives. Just as I have a great respect for my own relatives that have died in battle. I can still joke about it.

For example, this wasn't in war time, but one of my relatives died when his plane crashed into a greenhouse - that's very funny - and I have made jokes about it - I don't have any less respect for him as a person.

cool. just realize some of those "3000 less Americans" might have been known personally by someone who reads what you wrote.

its actually 3,607 today.

2007-07-10 20:43:25

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7139

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

dont be sorry, just be a bit more respectful.
Again, being able to joke about it is not being disrespectful. I have a lot of respect for the individual soldiers that have given up their lives. Just as I have a great respect for my own relatives that have died in battle. I can still joke about it.

For example, this wasn't in war time, but one of my relatives died when his plane crashed into a greenhouse - that's very funny - and I have made jokes about it - I don't have any less respect for him as a person.
cool. just realize some of those "3000 less Americans" might have been known personally by someone who reads what you wrote.

its actually 3,607 today.

RIP.

That's a lot less casualties compared to other wars =/

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2007-07-10 23:35:44

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6971|San Diego, CA, USA

CameronPoe wrote:
Nice little mess the US have got themselves into, eh?

Yes, but why is Europe taking all the heat. I would have expected us to be attacked with the same virosity that the terrorists have attacked Europe.

2007-07-11 05:42:13

Ultimatrox: Member; +38|6656|Netherlands

CDK3Y wrote:
TURKISH ARMY
Main battle tanks
298 Leopard 2A4
77 Leopard 1A3T1/TU120
150 Leopard 1A3T1
166 Leopard 1A1A4 (under Volkan Tank Improvement Project)[3]
170 M60T (under Sabra Tank Modernization Project)[4]
650 M60A3 TTS
105 M60A1 RISE Passive
750 M 48A5T2 (Upgraded to M 60A3 Standard)
600 M 48A5T1 (Upgraded to M 60A1 Standard)
100 M 48T5 (Upgraded to M 60A1 Standard)
Armored personnel carriers
650 FNSS Armored infantry fighting vehicle (AIFV)
1375 FNSS Advanced armored personnel carrier (AAPC)
48 FNSS Armored TOW vehicle (ATV)
170 FNSS Armored mortar vehicle (AMV) (self-propelled 81 mm mortar)
2815 M 113 A1/A2/A3 Armored Personel Carrier
10+ M 125A (self-propelled M-29 81mm mortar)
175 M 106A (self-propelled M-30 107mm mortar)
150 M 113 TOW
260+ Otokar Akrep (4x4)[5]
388+ Otokar Cobra (4x4)[6][7]
240 BTR-80 (8x8)
50+ FNSS Pars (8x8)[8]
Helicopters
21 Sikorsky S-70A28 Blackhawk (13 will undergo Aselsan avionics upgrade, 8 SOF)
52 Sikorsky S-70D28 Blackhawk (5 SAR, 2 SOF CSAR, 4 ambulance, 41 utility)
28 Eurocopter AS-532UL Cougar Mk1 (4 SAR, 4 ambulance, 16 utility, 4 VIP)
28 Bell AB206B3 JetRanger
23 Agusta Bell AB205AT/2020
27 Agusta Bell AB205A1
52 Bell UH-1H/2020-ASAM
20 Bell UH-1D
42 Bell UH-1H Iroquois (24 for training)
Attack helicopters
0 Agusta Westland T129 (a total of 50 (+ 41 optional) will be produced in Turkey)[9][10][11]
9 Bell AH-1W Super Cobra
32 Bell AH-1P/S Cobra
1 Bell TAH-1P Cobra (Combat Trainer)
Air-to-ground missiles
215 Hellfire II K2 (Used in the AH-1W Super Cobra helicopters)
n/a TOW II (Used in the AH-1S/P Cobra helicopters)
Anti-aircraft missiles
n/a Atılgan KMS (1x8 FIM-92B/C Stinger)
n/a Zıpkın KMS (1x4 FIM-92 Stinger)
800+ FIM 92B/C Stinger RPM (4875 missiles)
785+ FIM-43A Redeye
40 9M39 Igla (SA-18 Grouse)
Anti-tank missiles
390+ MILAN With MIRA thermal sights
365 BGM-71 TOW I/II/A/B
40000+ M72 A2 LAW (66mm)
5000+ RPG-7 (40mm)
550 ERYX (1200 missiles)
70 9M113M Konkurs (AT5 Spandrel) (420 missiles)
185 Cobra (Used for training purposes only)
Anti-aircraft guns
300 L/70 & L/70T Bofors (40mm) (50 with Officine Galileo P56 optical sight)
600+ L/60 & M1A1 Bofors (40mm)
100+ Oerlikon GDF-001 (2x35mm)
120 Oerlikon GDF-003 (2x35mm)
440 Oerlikon GAI-D01 (2x20mm)
300+ Rheinmetall Mk.20 Rh202 (2x20mm)
110 M42 Duster (2x40mm)
900 M55 (4x12.7mm)
Rocket artillery
5 TR-300 Kasırga WS-1A (4x302mm, 80km)
25 TR-300 Kasırga WS-1B (4x302mm, 180km)
72 ATACMS MGM 140 Block I (165km)
12 M-270 MLRS (12x227mm PARS SAGE-227F, 70km)
50+ T-122 MLRS (40x122mm, 40km)
48 TR-107 MLRS (12x107mm)
24 RA 7040 MLRS (40x70mm)
n/a TOROS 230A (8x230mm, 65km)
n/a TOROS 260A (8x260mm, 110km)
Self-propelled artillery
80+ T 155 Fırtına (K9T) 155/52 SP-2000 (155mm) (a total of 350 will be produced)[12]
219 M110 (203mm)
36 M107 (175mm)
9 M 55 (203mm)
222 M 44T (155mm) (Upgraded)
365 M 52T (155mm) (Upgraded)
26 M 108T (155mm) (Upgraded)
Towed artillery
110+ T 155 Panter 155/52 FT-2000 (155mm) (a total of 400 will be produced)[13]
825 M 101 (105mm)
535 M 114 (155mm)
162 M 115 (203mm)
175 M 116 (75mm)
171 M 59 (155mm)
128 Skoda (105mm)
10 M.39 Skoda (105mm) (Used in training)
10 105R Metalgun (105mm) (Used in training)
Recoilless artillery
2135 M 40A (106mm)
1000 M 20 (75mm) (in storage)
850 M 18 (57mm) (in storage)
Mortars
578 HY-12Di (120mm)
325 UT1 (81mm)
3175 M1/M29 (81mm)
1265 M-30 (107mm)
n/a M-19 (60mm)

[edit] Small Arms
Weapon Caliber Notes
HK MP5 9x19mm NATO Made under license by Makina ve Kimya Endustrisi Kurumu (MKE)
HK 33 5.56x45mm NATO Made under license by Makina ve Kimya Endustrisi Kurumu (MKE)
HK G3 7.62x51mm NATO Made under license by Makina ve Kimya Endustrisi Kurumu (MKE)
G3A7 7.62x51mm NATO Made under license by Makina ve Kimya Endustrisi Kurumu (MKE)
MG3 7.62x51mm NATO Made under license by Makina ve Kimya Endustrisi Kurumu (MKE)
HK 69A1 40x46mm Made under license by Makina ve Kimya Endustrisi Kurumu (MKE)
T40 40x46mm Made under license by Makina ve Kimya Endustrisi Kurumu (MKE)
Mk 19 grenade launcher 40x53mm Made under license by Roketsan
M203 40x46mm Grenade Launcher
FN MAG 7.62x51mm NATO Machine Gun
FN MINIMI 5.56x45mm NATO Machine Gun
M4 carbine 5.56x45mm NATO Special forces and marines
M16 rifle 5.56x45mm NATO Special forces and marines
CheyTac Intervention M200[14] .408 CheyTac Special forces and marines sniper rifle
Kalekalıp .308 7.62x51mm NATO Special forces and marines sniper rifle
Kalekalıp Avunya .50 BMG Special forces and marines sniper rifle
Gepard anti-materiel rifle 12.7 x 107 mm Special forces and marines Anti-materiel rifle
SVD (Dragunov) 7.62x54mm R WP Used by some units of the Gendarmerie.
AK-47 (Kalashnikov) 7.62x39mm WP Used by some units of the Gendarmerie.

That would be a serious big-ass war if it was all deployed

2007-07-11 05:46:36

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7044|London, England

Good. If there are militants in that area fucking Turkey up. By all means blow them to bits. Why not? Why aren't the Coalition sorting them out in the first place?

Turkey is part of NATO, what would be so wrong with them sorting out the militants in Northern Iraq? Less hassle for the Coalition.

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