Well my point was, ya can't count to 1000 without first counting 1, guns pretty much started it all. Guns provided the necessity for more powerful guns, which provided the necessity for even more powerful guns, leading up to the nukes. It all had a beginning, and sticks and stones and fists were not inventions.Braddock wrote:
The point is that the gun is just one of a long line of inventions that have fulfilled the same purpose. If guns were top of the pecking order than Hiroshima and Nagasaki wouldn't have been such significant events. Nuclear bomb has been far more significant, it's what keeps countries like the US and Russia top of the food pyramid.lowing wrote:
I am in no way insinuating a positive invention, but none stand out as a greater influential invention in human history, less the fuckin' wheel I suppose. If you wanna replace weapons for guns OK, but sticks and stnes and fists were not inventions.CameronPoe wrote:
They're just one rung on a ladder starting with fists, sticks and stones and ending with the fusion bomb and beyond. I wouldn't single them out as a 'great' or pivotal invention.
What if a big guy has a gun and a little guy has none? Or what if one country has tonnes of weapons and another country has none?Dilbert_X wrote:
Probably the invention of gunpowder, the brass cartridge, repeating firearms.
One positive aspect of firearms is they are 'equalisers'. Give a little guy and a big guy a gun each and suddenly they are equal.
In the contect I picked its positive.Braddock wrote:
What if a big guy has a gun and a little guy has none? Or what if one country has tonnes of weapons and another country has none?Dilbert_X wrote:
Probably the invention of gunpowder, the brass cartridge, repeating firearms.
One positive aspect of firearms is they are 'equalisers'. Give a little guy and a big guy a gun each and suddenly they are equal.
It's a nonsense argument to be honest. Whether or not a weapon is a positive or negative is entirely subjective and depends on the context.
Spears? Swords? Daggers? Bow & arrow? You should really read some book on the stone, bronze, and Iron age. Guns are just one in a loooong line of innovative weapon designs. If you were counting to 1000 guns would probably be up around the 100 mark somewhere.lowing wrote:
Well my point was, ya can't count to 1000 without first counting 1, guns pretty much started it all. Guns provided the necessity for more powerful guns, which provided the necessity for even more powerful guns, leading up to the nukes. It all had a beginning, and sticks and stones and fists were not inventions.Braddock wrote:
The point is that the gun is just one of a long line of inventions that have fulfilled the same purpose. If guns were top of the pecking order than Hiroshima and Nagasaki wouldn't have been such significant events. Nuclear bomb has been far more significant, it's what keeps countries like the US and Russia top of the food pyramid.lowing wrote:
I am in no way insinuating a positive invention, but none stand out as a greater influential invention in human history, less the fuckin' wheel I suppose. If you wanna replace weapons for guns OK, but sticks and stnes and fists were not inventions.
I don't need a gun... I need my iPhone though!Dilbert_X wrote:
In the contect I picked its positive.Braddock wrote:
What if a big guy has a gun and a little guy has none? Or what if one country has tonnes of weapons and another country has none?Dilbert_X wrote:
Probably the invention of gunpowder, the brass cartridge, repeating firearms.
One positive aspect of firearms is they are 'equalisers'. Give a little guy and a big guy a gun each and suddenly they are equal.
It's a nonsense argument to be honest. Whether or not a weapon is a positive or negative is entirely subjective and depends on the context.
The downside is everyone needs a gun, more so than an iPhone.
You mean guns are for pussies and weaklings?Dilbert_X wrote:
Guns were a quantum leap in that the power of the weapon was suddenly independent of the strength of the user.
Yes, but all of those weapons were dependent on the strength of the man bearing them. A bigger man had a serious advantage in any engagement. The gun changed that forever.Braddock wrote:
Spears? Swords? Daggers? Bow & arrow? You should really read some book on the stone, bronze, and Iron age. Guns are just one in a loooong line of innovative weapon designs. If you were counting to 1000 guns would probably be up around the 100 mark somewhere.lowing wrote:
Well my point was, ya can't count to 1000 without first counting 1, guns pretty much started it all. Guns provided the necessity for more powerful guns, which provided the necessity for even more powerful guns, leading up to the nukes. It all had a beginning, and sticks and stones and fists were not inventions.Braddock wrote:
The point is that the gun is just one of a long line of inventions that have fulfilled the same purpose. If guns were top of the pecking order than Hiroshima and Nagasaki wouldn't have been such significant events. Nuclear bomb has been far more significant, it's what keeps countries like the US and Russia top of the food pyramid.
Bigger man with hand thrown stone versus smaller man with sling. Bigger man with sharpened stick versus smaller man with obsidian tipped spear. Bigger European knight in full heavy battle gear versus lightly armored Mongol with composite bow. Both warriors given the same for all three weapons above, the nimble warrior would have an advantage over the bigger warrior.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes, but all of those weapons were dependent on the strength of the man bearing them. A bigger man had a serious advantage in any engagement. The gun changed that forever.Braddock wrote:
Spears? Swords? Daggers? Bow & arrow? You should really read some book on the stone, bronze, and Iron age. Guns are just one in a loooong line of innovative weapon designs. If you were counting to 1000 guns would probably be up around the 100 mark somewhere.lowing wrote:
Well my point was, ya can't count to 1000 without first counting 1, guns pretty much started it all. Guns provided the necessity for more powerful guns, which provided the necessity for even more powerful guns, leading up to the nukes. It all had a beginning, and sticks and stones and fists were not inventions.
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No, everyone on the battlefield is equal, pussies and weaklings can defend themselves against thugs.Braddock wrote:
You mean guns are for pussies and weaklings?Dilbert_X wrote:
Guns were a quantum leap in that the power of the weapon was suddenly independent of the strength of the user.
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lol well I don't fuckin need a gun I tell ya that much.Dilbert_X wrote:
The downside is everyone needs a gun, more so than an iPhone.
a lot of the time, yeah! I'll go along with that statement. Guns allow pussies the opportunity to bully other people that they otherwsie wouldn't have.Braddock wrote:
You mean guns are for pussies and weaklings?
