trackstarr
Member
+18|6985|Swing and a miss

Drakef wrote:

A new Vancouver marijuana is far more potent than other strains around the world, even the basic product, but is often laced with other materials.
See if we just legalized it, people wouldn't have unsafe shit.

Also if it was legalized people will withdraw from cigarettes and alcohol (both which do alot more damage to the body)
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6688|North Carolina

trackstarr wrote:

Drakef wrote:

A new Vancouver marijuana is far more potent than other strains around the world, even the basic product, but is often laced with other materials.
See if we just legalized it, people wouldn't have unsafe shit.

Also if it was legalized people will withdraw from cigarettes and alcohol (both which do alot more damage to the body)
Yep, couldn't have said it better myself.

Regulation can make most products safe.
golgoj4
Member
+51|7058|North Hollywood

buLLet_t00th wrote:

ig wrote:

buLLet_t00th wrote:

What it should say:

terrible logic
Why? If its legal everyone can do it, the people that can't handle it will be doing it. These things happen now so why wouldn't it increase if it became legal?
Sounds like

A. you know you cant handle it and will fuckup
B. the law is the only thing holding you back.

which are both personal problems...not the general public problem.
golgoj4
Member
+51|7058|North Hollywood

DesertFox- wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Likewise, by continuing to keep marijuana illegal, we just allow another market to be profitable for criminals.

We should legalize pot, in order to steal one of many markets from the criminal underworld.  The less markets they have, the better....
(semi-serious) Do we want our government to be in control of drugs, prostitution, and assassination contracts though?
Sure?

although one has to wonder what a state issue whore looks like...
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6688|North Carolina
I would guess that legalizing pot would increase its use, but hey, I'd rather people smoke up than binge drink.
trackstarr
Member
+18|6985|Swing and a miss
Alcohol destroys family's and you can die from it in multiple ways

Drunk driving, overdose, And even cause severe harm to an unborn fetus


The reason weed causes problems is because the government has set it in our minds that its wrong.
If it was legal the whole time it would be alot more socially acceptable
ProteinRage
Hero of the Internet
+15|6753|Everywhere and nowhere
An interesting point to note on this topic, is that the question "Have you ever smoked Marijuana?" is a common control question on Police polygraph tests, since almost everyone has tried it atleast once. (I am one of the rare people that hasn't).

I find it odd that the federal government acknowledges that most people have smoked, or actively do smoke it...
trackstarr
Member
+18|6985|Swing and a miss
I smoke
but not everyday

1.Because my gf is drug free
hahaha
2.I don't need it everyday
3.Im  a casual smoker

Its not a crime to have fun every now and then is it?

Last edited by trackstarr (2007-07-18 22:21:14)

Crypto_420
Member
+25|7127|Portland
I just moved to Portland Oregon from orlando florida.  I will be recieving my OMMP card next week cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For those of you who arent upto date  OMMP(Oregon Medical Marijuana Program)

I got in the program with a 100 bucks and a previous injury.

Now im aloud to carry upto 4 Oz of FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!! O yeah did I mention my Insurance is picking up the prescription costs!!! Only a $30 co pay gotta love OREGON!!!!!!!!
ReTox
Member
+100|6782|State of RETOXification
When I was 12 years old I started getting debilitating migraines.  Not "oh my I have a headache and need an aspirin before we go see Metallica" but more along the lines of "If I had a drill I could stop the pain right now!".  I've had migraines so bad a fly buzzing around the room was enough irritation to make me puke from pain.  If anyone else has had them you know the torture.  Now imagine that 3 times a week for the last 20 years.  It was hard to hold any good jobs as I often had to be medicated to function or called in sick a lot.  It seriously sucked dude!

I had been prescribed opiates for most of my adult life (morphine, codeine T3s, and demerol) and they really fucked me up physically.  This is not one doctor but many over time saying the exact same thing.  I had an ulcer and at one time was prescribed over 1000 Tylenol 3s in one summer.  I also got into the migraine specific drugs like Imitrex and Wigraine.  None really worked and the effects on my cardiovascular system were not enjoyable (dilation of heart veins that feels like someone is squeezing your heart).  So I kicked that shit to the curb and started thinking and researching and one thing I found was the relationship between canabinols and pain.  I also found that regular and moderate THC consumption can help regulate brain chemistry.  Specifically how long serotonin stays in the nerve gaps (serotonin crashes are a common trigger) and THC helps that.

So I started smoking weed regularly a few years back and my migraine attacks are pretty much gone.  I might get one a month if I'm unlucky but I've gone as long as three months without one.  Even the ones I do get are really mild and nothing compared to what I used to go through. 

Now this is my case, I can't speak for everyone but I can speak for myself.  Which is a lot more than the "well I know this person and..." posts that seem to regurgitate 1930's US government propaganda.  In the thousands of years weed has been smoked no one has ever over dosed (it's virtually impossible) but irresponsible toking can lead to deep suspicion of who ate the last twinkie, raided fridges, and a serious love for Pink Floyd's "The Wall".  Honestly though it should be treated just like alcohol.

So should it be legalized... YES.  Will it be in the US... NO.  The reason is simple, drug companies make too much money developing new drugs for the US "fix it with a pill" lifestyle.  And they also happen to be big presidential campaign contributors so...

Sad but there it is.
citricacidx
Hooligan of War
+21|6788|Atlanta, GA

Roger Lesboules wrote:

Fuck drugs...if you need those kind of shit to make your life "magic" or watever the expression you use...your life is Empty IMO.
K, don't ever drink beer, sodas, coffee, don't smoke cigarettes. Cause if you need those kind of shit to make your life "special-rific" or whatever the expression you use... your life is Empty IMO.

ReTox wrote:

When I was 12 years old I started getting debilitating migraines.  Not "oh my I have a headache and need an aspirin before we go see Metallica" but more along the lines of "If I had a drill I could stop the pain right now!".  I've had migraines so bad a fly buzzing around the room was enough irritation to make me puke from pain.  If anyone else has had them you know the torture.  Now imagine that 3 times a week for the last 20 years.  It was hard to hold any good jobs as I often had to be medicated to function or called in sick a lot.  It seriously sucked dude!

I had been prescribed opiates for most of my adult life (morphine, codeine T3s, and demerol) and they really fucked me up physically.  This is not one doctor but many over time saying the exact same thing.  I had an ulcer and at one time was prescribed over 1000 Tylenol 3s in one summer.  I also got into the migraine specific drugs like Imitrex and Wigraine.  None really worked and the effects on my cardiovascular system were not enjoyable (dilation of heart veins that feels like someone is squeezing your heart).  So I kicked that shit to the curb and started thinking and researching and one thing I found was the relationship between canabinols and pain.  I also found that regular and moderate THC consumption can help regulate brain chemistry.  Specifically how long serotonin stays in the nerve gaps (serotonin crashes are a common trigger) and THC helps that.

So I started smoking weed regularly a few years back and my migraine attacks are pretty much gone.  I might get one a month if I'm unlucky but I've gone as long as three months without one.  Even the ones I do get are really mild and nothing compared to what I used to go through. 

Now this is my case, I can't speak for everyone but I can speak for myself.  Which is a lot more than the "well I know this person and..." posts that seem to regurgitate 1930's US government propaganda.  In the thousands of years weed has been smoked no one has ever over dosed (it's virtually impossible) but irresponsible toking can lead to deep suspicion of who ate the last twinkie, raided fridges, and a serious love for Pink Floyd's "The Wall".  Honestly though it should be treated just like alcohol.

So should it be legalized... YES.  Will it be in the US... NO.  The reason is simple, drug companies make too much money developing new drugs for the US "fix it with a pill" lifestyle.  And they also happen to be big presidential campaign contributors so...

Sad but there it is.
QFT QFT QFT

But I guess those against it's legalization want ReTox to continue having debilitating migraines. Personally I'd much rather trust a plant than a bunch of research chemicals thrown together in a tiny little fix-all tablet that has worse side effects than what you're initially suffering from.

@ ReTox, if you took all those tylenol, I would go to a doctor and have your liver checked out. Too much acetaminophen can seriously fuck up your liver.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6946|USA

Roger Lesboules wrote:

Fuck drugs...if you need those kind of shit to make your life "magic" or watever the expression you use...your life is Empty IMO.
Yeah fuck drugs. Just smoke pot. Its so much better than drugs.

The research for marijuana is out there for all of the prohibitionists. All you have to do is type the magic words in google. Until you read whats available, don't judge others. Its called an ignorant statement.

Last edited by Mason4Assassin444 (2007-07-19 06:34:36)

Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6645|Vancouver

trackstarr wrote:

Drakef wrote:

A new Vancouver marijuana is far more potent than other strains around the world, even the basic product, but is often laced with other materials.
See if we just legalized it, people wouldn't have unsafe shit.

Also if it was legalized people will withdraw from cigarettes and alcohol (both which do alot more damage to the body)
Not necessarily. Alcohol and tobacco both prove that regulated substances can be dangerous, and the use of enhanced marijuana will not stop. Particularly, the Hell's Angels are not very keen on losing such a business.

I strongly disagree with your second statement. That will not happen, especially with alcohol.
nlsme
Member
+48|6699|new york

buLLet_t00th wrote:

What it should say:

citricacidx wrote:

If legalized:
A - it would be taxed like alcohol and tobacco.
B - more money would be put back into the economy instead of the black market
C - less money would be spent in the judicial system arresting, jailing, trying and wasting tax payer money.

A + B + C =  Lots of doped up people, people missing work because of being 'high', people driving under the influence of drugs, people causing shit because they're under the influence, people growing it in their garden selling it illegally even more than before......I could go on all day.
Kinda like alcohal? Hmm, thats legal.
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6645|Vancouver

nlsme wrote:

buLLet_t00th wrote:

What it should say:

citricacidx wrote:

If legalized:
A - it would be taxed like alcohol and tobacco.
B - more money would be put back into the economy instead of the black market
C - less money would be spent in the judicial system arresting, jailing, trying and wasting tax payer money.

A + B + C =  Lots of doped up people, people missing work because of being 'high', people driving under the influence of drugs, people causing shit because they're under the influence, people growing it in their garden selling it illegally even more than before......I could go on all day.
Kinda like alcohal? Hmm, thats legal.
Is it because of the legality of alcohol that we should legalize marijuana, or because of the illegality of marijuana that we should criminalize alcohol? It is a weak argument. To argue for marijuana to be legalized for a list of reasons would be better.
citricacidx
Hooligan of War
+21|6788|Atlanta, GA
1. Proven Medical Benefits (13 states have legalized medical marijuana, the federal gov gives 7 people medical marijuana, Marinol (Dronabinol))
2. Great source of revenue (500+ Economists' support. http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/)
3. Relatively harmless, dare I say safe if used responsibly (http://citricacid.110mb.com/make/faqs/c … -hemp.html)

Last edited by citricacidx (2007-07-19 19:02:24)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7050|UK
It triggers schizophrenia.

FACT
trackstarr
Member
+18|6985|Swing and a miss

Drakef wrote:

trackstarr wrote:

Drakef wrote:

A new Vancouver marijuana is far more potent than other strains around the world, even the basic product, but is often laced with other materials.
See if we just legalized it, people wouldn't have unsafe shit.

Also if it was legalized people will withdraw from cigarettes and alcohol (both which do alot more damage to the body)
Not necessarily. Alcohol and tobacco both prove that regulated substances can be dangerous, and the use of enhanced marijuana will not stop. Particularly, the Hell's Angels are not very keen on losing such a business.

I strongly disagree with your second statement. That will not happen, especially with alcohol.
It is what i would want
but i know it will not happen.

They do not have to enhance marijuana
the way the plant is made is fine.

But knowing big corporations will want to tamper with it to improve and beat competition.

The use of enhanced marijuana won't stop but it would significantly decrease
trackstarr
Member
+18|6985|Swing and a miss

Vilham wrote:

It triggers schizophrenia.

FACT
What kind of shit you smoking?

Proof or joke

Last edited by trackstarr (2007-07-19 19:37:56)

citricacidx
Hooligan of War
+21|6788|Atlanta, GA

Vilham wrote:

It triggers schizophrenia.

FACT
Fact: you have no source

Fact: People with PRE-existing mental conditions shouldn't smoke marijuana because there is a risk of their already existing symptoms worsening. This does not mean the everyone with mental conditions will become schizophrenic, depressed, etc, but it can possibly happen. Marijuana does not cause schizophrenia.

http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/41/3/23

Last edited by citricacidx (2007-07-19 19:40:44)

nlsme
Member
+48|6699|new york

Drakef wrote:

nlsme wrote:

buLLet_t00th wrote:

What it should say:

Kinda like alcohal? Hmm, thats legal.
Is it because of the legality of alcohol that we should legalize marijuana, or because of the illegality of marijuana that we should criminalize alcohol? It is a weak argument. To argue for marijuana to be legalized for a list of reasons would be better.
This is America. The land of the free. Yet, it is illegal to use a 100% natural substance. Meanwhile, fastfood chains continue to kill millions of Americans. Alcohol continues to kill millions. Are we to say that McDonalds franchise owners should be tride for murder. It all boils down to $$$$$.
ReTox
Member
+100|6782|State of RETOXification

citricacidx wrote:

@ ReTox, if you took all those tylenol, I would go to a doctor and have your liver checked out. Too much acetaminophen can seriously fuck up your liver.
Thanks for the concern!  I've been off the T3s now for nearly four years and I have no physical problems anymore.  My ulcer is healed and my blood work says I'm "A-OK".  In fact I've never felt better in my life.
citricacidx
Hooligan of War
+21|6788|Atlanta, GA
that's good to hear
trackstarr
Member
+18|6985|Swing and a miss
What are the odds of it being Re-Legalized
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6688|North Carolina

trackstarr wrote:

What are the odds of it being Re-Legalized
In Colorado...  fairly decent...  In the rest of America...  not good.

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