BF2S Forums What would it take to defeat a Carrier Strike Group?

KuSTaV wrote:

Oh god... well here are what I think:

- Sneak attack. Mini subs, and lots of em.

- A shitload of planes (J10s?)

- A bigger force of subs?

- A nuke, but thats cheating.

Far out, maybe a whole freakin navy/airforce. But I do feel strong that if you have sufficient AA and a ton of subs, it might work.

J10's suck balls. Don't use BF2 as a reference.

Mini-subs, bad idea, not gonna work, they are gonna get blown out of the water unless you have more subs then they have torpedos and depth charges.

A shit load of missiles, close to 1,000 if not more, the capabilities of the carrier groups at shooting down missiles is amazing.

Los Angels class SSN or a Ohio class SSBN(not because of the ICBM's or the nukes, but because of how quite it is it might have the ability to sneak in and blow it), or that one SSN the Royal Navy uses, cant remember what it is.

well it could b done. just need a big arse military with:

* 10 squadrons of supersonic bombers carrying cruise missiles (about 16 missiles each)

* 10 squadrons of fighters to clear the carriers air power

* some electronic warfare aircraft to jam there radar

* and a shitload of submarine and land based cruise missiles

probably take a superpower like russia or china

a nuke detonated at 300 ft below sea level

i could take all of the ships out with my jihad sub

usmarine2005 wrote:

God.

sounding like an Iraqi

Bubbalo wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

God.

Yet again, usmarine demonstrate his brilliant intellect.  There is absolutely no force capable of defeating a carrier group other than god.  Even two carrier groups couldn't do it!

Show me an example of someone destroying a modern carrier group?

Spark wrote:

I automatically thought of the NATO carrier force that got raped in 'Red Storm Rising' by missle barrage.

Exactly what i thought. Man they got raped by the Reds. Crapload of planes and missles always wins. Dosent matter how cool the names of the ships are, missles have cooler names, and also high explosives on there tips.

Cerpin_Taxt wrote:

During the Cold War, the Soviet Union had planned to use nuclear weapons on the US's carrier groups had a war broken out. The Nimitz class carrier, given its many assets, is often considered to be unsinkable by conventional weaponry.

The topic up for debate is, with conventional weapons, how would a nation go about launching a successful attack on a carrier strike group? Realistically, is it even possible given what it would take (i.e. losing countless lives, planes, ships, etc.)? Also consider tactics used on the USS Cole bombing (although protection from such tactics has greatly improved since then).

Here are the components of your average carrier strike group:

(1x) Nimitz class aircraft carrier:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … z_1997.jpg


(3x) Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyers:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … 7M-506.jpg


(2x) Ticonderoga class Aegis missile cruisers:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … -57%29.JPG


(2x) Los Angeles class attack submarines:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … 772%29.jpg


(1x) T-AOE Fast Combat support ship:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … E-8%29.jpg


(4x) F/A-18E/F Super Hornet squadrons:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … iamond.jpg


(1x) EA-6 Prowler squadron:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … 750pix.jpg


(1x) S-3B Viking anti-submarine squadron:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … g_S-3B.jpg


(1x) E-2 Hawkeye carrier early warning squadron:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … -13416.jpg


(1x) C-2 Greyhound logistics support squadron:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … yhound.jpg


(1x) SH-60 Seahawk anti-submarine squadron:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … 750pix.jpg

A nuke?...

Turquoise wrote:

A nuke?...

A nuke isn't a conventional weapon.

DesertFox- wrote:

Hawk390 wrote:

Spark wrote:

I automatically thought of the NATO carrier force that got raped in 'Red Storm Rising' by missle barrage.

Exactly what i thought. Man they got raped by the Reds. Crapload of planes and missles always wins. Dosent matter how cool the names of the ships are, missles have cooler names, and also high explosives on there tips.

Yeah, about those missiles...I have two words for you: Phalanx gun
http://www.montysminiguns.com/smallphalanx.jpg

_{They're much better in real life than BF2 makes them appear.}

Did you know they are using them in Iraq now as anti-mortar also?

It would have to be a well thought out and coordinated attack that is for sure. As has been stated before the carrier battle group has a great capability to shoot down incoming missiles with the CWIS system. Not only does the carrier posses these guns but also her escort ships. You would have to use missiles in sufficient numbers to be able to overwhelm this system. I think it would take a coordinated attack by air power and submarines. Any surface vessel attempting to attack a carrier would be intercepted by the carriers air wing hundreds of miles away from the carrier. If a attacking forces submarines could tie up the escort vessels and possibly sink or damage a few of them the odd's would change significantly in the attacker favor. They actually provide the bulk of the carriers air defense assets with their missiles and CWIS systems. After that is done it would take probably at least two whole squadrons of of fighters to just tie up the carriers interceptors. Attacking at the same time would be attack aircraft armed with anti shipping missiles such as the exocet, harpoon, and penguin. If any of the initial submarines from the first attack were left they would also take part in the attack. Even with all of this the odd's are that the attack would not succeed simply because the defense capability of a US carrier battle group is just that good. One US carrier battle group is equivalant to the firepower of the entire British Navy. Your only option to stop a carrier battle group would be to nuke it.

Kmarion wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

Hawk390 wrote:

Exactly what i thought. Man they got raped by the Reds. Crapload of planes and missles always wins. Dosent matter how cool the names of the ships are, missles have cooler names, and also high explosives on there tips.

Yeah, about those missiles...I have two words for you: Phalanx gun
http://www.montysminiguns.com/smallphalanx.jpg

_{They're much better in real life than BF2 makes them appear.}

Did you know they are using them in Iraq now as anti-mortar also?

That's insane.

If this were 1942 it wouldn't be an issue, some tard would beach it or ram it with the battleship.