BF2S Forums bullet drop (again)

Barrakuda777 wrote:

This is nothing to do with the deviation or bullet drop. The shot you are trying to make is against a mounted MG, one that I have found to be particularly buggy from certain angles.

Essentially depending on where you are it is impossible to make a hit on the gunner on that MG, even though you are actually hitting the correct area on your screen.

I like to thing its the gun in the way etc, but the mounted mg's are buggy as hell and its all to do with EA's hitreg / buggy, laggy hitboxes.

Kooda

This is true, i remember once firing all ten rounds of SVD clip at mounted and the dust from his head was like a smoke grenade.

molotov<bf2> wrote:

JaggedPanther wrote:

If it was Karkand, then that would be hilliarious.

as you appear to be the only one, i suggest you seek medical advice.

He is intimating that the large amount of fog on Karkand makes discussion of bullet drop redundant as there is no are that bullet drop can be observed (unless you have a no fog hack).

Kooda

Barrakuda777 wrote:

He is intimating that the large amount of fog on Karkand makes discussion of bullet drop redundant.

ok sorry, i thought he was mocking the simplicity of the shot.

same velocity does not mean that all guns will have same bullet drop, if the game takes in to account the caliber of the gun. The heavier the bullet, the bigger the drop is right ?
But I doubt that you will notice it much with low view distances.
In Project Reality on maps with 700+ meter view distance you can really notice the drop specially when you fire a tracer round. You can clearly see it drop before it reaches the target. So it makes it pretty hard to hit at guy at 600 meters that only has his head sticking above cover.

imo the L96 is the most accurate sniper rifle
when i use the M24 i think that is has a bit more bullet drop than the L96
and the M95 has the most bullet drop from the bolt action sniper rifles
i only use the auto sniper rifle on small maps or near distance so there is no/only a very very small bullet drop

zeidmaan wrote:

Oh I see Jemme, thanks I like math

At least you read stuff thats being posted so I thank you too

People like Special_Op dont it seems.

I will try to make a good Tech Guide here in the BF2s Wiki so I no longer have to repost, but only have to drop the link from now on

zeidmaan wrote:

The heavier the bullet, the bigger the drop is right ?.

Incorrect, gravity affects all object regardless of the weight the same.... if you drop a football and a tennisballl (or indeed a cannonball) at the same time from the same height they will hit the floor at the same time.
Another intresting fact (which is why velocity affects bulletdrop) is that if you fire a bullet perfectly horrizontal at 1000 m/s, and you drop the bullet (from the same height) at the same time, they will both hit the ground at the same time. Physics.... intresting stuff.

Kooda

molotov<bf2> wrote:

jemme101

i have been reading with interest your post on totalbf2 called "sniper range" & you mention that you will be posting information regarding compensation for higher/lower elevation shots, as this is the essense of my original post can you include this in your Tech Guide?

e.g. i assume the bullet drop chart has the target on the same plane, so if you are 150m away from your target you might allow the height of the guys forehead or x pixels above the sights to compensate for the horizontal distance. what i would like to understand better is the additional correction for height differences.

the way i think about this at the moment is if your target is elevated (for the above example) then your distance is now greater than 150m because you are no longer shooting (almost) horizontally, you are in fact shooting the hypotenuse of an acute triangle. which depending upon the magnitude of the elevation will also effect the compensation.

the other thing i'm not clear about is when you say "If a target is on a lower spot relative to your own position you would have to suppress the muzzle ever so slightly".

thx for you work.

I will include the high/low elevations in my Tech Guide, but like you said its somewhat of a math thing. Its interesting to read, but for all practice and purposes will not have that much of an impact on day-to-day sniping in BF2. I will include it because it has not been done before (somebody did write a topic on height calculations in BF2 btw, TotalBF2 again I think) and I think it rounds of the whole bulletdrop story.
I am thinking on the format as we speak. I will try to get the Guide out next week. Ill probably drop the Guide first at the forum of the WOoKie clan so they can check for any flaws I might have overlooked. You can join their forum if you like btw

You assume correctly that the bullet drop chart is on the same plane (level field of firing).

The muzzle suppression is just a military term. I meant to say to aim lower than you would normally for a target at that given distance

Ill drop the Guide here next week.

Barrakuda777 wrote:

zeidmaan wrote:

The heavier the bullet, the bigger the drop is right ?.

Incorrect, gravity affects all object regardless of the weight the same.... if you drop a football and a tennisballl (or indeed a cannonball) at the same time from the same height they will hit the floor at the same time.
Another intresting fact (which is why velocity affects bulletdrop) is that if you fire a bullet perfectly horrizontal at 1000 m/s, and you drop the bullet (from the same height) at the same time, they will both hit the ground at the same time. Physics.... intresting stuff.

Kooda

Yeah physics and basic stuff like that was fun to learn at high school

Special_Op wrote:

Jemme101 wrote:

Yeah physics and basic stuff like that was fun to learn at high school

i still learn that stuff at school

btw Jemme101 you have an awesome sniper rifle K/D

Sorry I came over harshly but you posted like you havent read what has been posted by others and myself in this thread.

Txs for the acknowledgment, but take into account a KDR like that takes a lot of time and patience. I could have had twice the number of kills if I had taken more risk. Its a trade off, which you can see if you check that link in my signature of Jemme.5moa

just practice. ive found that different servers give different ranges. what i mean is i will play sharqi on say the NSDQ server, snipe a couple guys from one position, round ends. then i will switch to the insomnia sharqi server. i can go to the same place, make the exact same shot, and miss where i didnt miss on the NSDQ server.

it could be related to ping, could be bad coding by EA, or it could just be me. either way, asking others about bullet drop is kinda pointless. what one guy will tell you will differ from what the next guy tells you. they may have a better pc, so they will see things differently than you.

all that can be said is go to different maps and servers, and just practice. no sniper has 100% accuracy, so missing isnt the biggest of deals.

or, if you dont really care, just shoot till you hit them, 1 shot is bound to hit sooner or later.

JET_G raidensen wrote:

Barrakuda777 wrote:

This is nothing to do with the deviation or bullet drop. The shot you are trying to make is against a mounted MG, one that I have found to be particularly buggy from certain angles.

Essentially depending on where you are it is impossible to make a hit on the gunner on that MG, even though you are actually hitting the correct area on your screen.

I like to thing its the gun in the way etc, but the mounted mg's are buggy as hell and its all to do with EA's hitreg / buggy, laggy hitboxes.

Kooda

This is true, i remember once firing all ten rounds of SVD clip at mounted and the dust from his head was like a smoke grenade.

Yep. Lots and lots of irritating 'missed' shots when the target is using a wall-mounted LMG as well as the TOW/IGLA etc. too sometimes.

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

IF you equip the bi-pod on the M95 the bullet drop stops

That's the same upgrade as the explosive .50 bullets that take out a HUMVEE or Vodnik with a single shot, right?

zeidmaan wrote:

same velocity does not mean that all guns will have same bullet drop...

It does in the game. That's all that we need to know.

zeidmaan wrote:

The heavier the bullet, the bigger the drop is right ?

Not even in the game.... Basic physics: mass is irrelevant to the rate of fall, since this is controlled (mostly) by gravity, which is a constant.

{Sn][per} Sumguy666 wrote:

just practice. ive found that different servers give different ranges. what i mean is i will play sharqi on say the NSDQ server, snipe a couple guys from one position, round ends. then i will switch to the insomnia sharqi server. i can go to the same place, make the exact same shot, and miss where i didnt miss on the NSDQ server.

These are probably 'misses', not misses (i.e. it isn't that you didn't aim right). It's problems with deviation and hit detection that will account for most of the differences you're noticing, as well as minor variations in user input.

Good example of this kind of thing is Europeans playing on your server; hit detection and server response suck ass so our hit rate typically goes down even further than would be accounted for just from all the targets being snipers doing their best to hide

{Sn][per} Sumguy666 wrote:

either way, asking others about bullet drop is kinda pointless. what one guy will tell you will differ from what the next guy tells you. they may have a better pc, so they will see things differently than you.

It's not really pointless, as long as you get the solid info on how the game works instead of myths and mistaken beliefs.

After you get the reliable data you know what the baseline is, giving you a basis for judging how you're doing. Watching some sniper vids in detail can help a bit in seeing how play goes for individual snipers, although of course almost all are made from selected footage so they won't include many misses and 'misses'.

Special_Op wrote:

yep i think on some servers some weapons are more accurate that on other servers

See above.

confused wrote:

In real life, size (not weight) of bullets matter because of air resistance, not drop.

So according to you a .50 BMG bullet will drop faster than a 7.62mm NATO bullet because the former has a larger frontal area, is that right?

If bullets were basic cylinders, totally flat at the front, and had the same initial velocity then you'd be right. But they aren't and don't, so you're not

confused wrote:

...making the drop look more pronounced than it actually is.

Erm, what? Bullet drop doesn't 'look' anything, it is what it is (IRL and in-game), caused by all the factors that come into play acting in concert.