Well, you have to cross the water eventually right? Why not do it to begin with, not as a last ditch effort?sergeriver wrote:
Then you can't take Europe.
I understand your point, but I don't think it could work for the Russians, since UK has a pretty large Navy and like you said, you have to cross the water. I think the Russians would start with Scandinavia and Poland.usmarine2005 wrote:
Well, you have to cross the water eventually right? Why not do it to begin with, not as a last ditch effort?sergeriver wrote:
Then you can't take Europe.
Bah....that is like going for the fat kid first in dodgeball.sergeriver wrote:
I think the Russians would start with Scandinavia and Poland.
But you are most likely correct.
Well they had problem with finland first time they tried to get past, and they failed to. So this time I think Norden will lend them the manpower and firepower.
thats why its one of my favorite books.Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
You can find a plot summary of Red Storm Rising here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Rising
It's widely considered one of the most realistic representations of such a war.
The only thing that can be guaranteed with this scenario is France will quit first.
Depends on the initial attacks.
If Russia is smart, they would send in Special Forces a day ahead to disable comms/defense stations throughout eastern Europe.
Being the democrats that England/Germany/France are, Russia would know that they would have an ultimatum of say 48 hours to pull back. That would give Russia plenty of time to position its subs and light cruisers for missile (conventional only I guess) attacks on key targets in Western Europe.
Its possible. But NATO would respond, in full force.
Entire armored divisions would be erased in moments with a squadron of Tornadoes
If it really happened, my guess is NATO/Coalition of the Willing would push the Reds back to the Urals within 6 months, followed by a no-mercy destruction of all major manufacturing cities across Russia. Maybe even an SAS extraction of Putin/current president.
or Nukes. Nukes are good too.
If Russia is smart, they would send in Special Forces a day ahead to disable comms/defense stations throughout eastern Europe.
Being the democrats that England/Germany/France are, Russia would know that they would have an ultimatum of say 48 hours to pull back. That would give Russia plenty of time to position its subs and light cruisers for missile (conventional only I guess) attacks on key targets in Western Europe.
Its possible. But NATO would respond, in full force.
Entire armored divisions would be erased in moments with a squadron of Tornadoes
If it really happened, my guess is NATO/Coalition of the Willing would push the Reds back to the Urals within 6 months, followed by a no-mercy destruction of all major manufacturing cities across Russia. Maybe even an SAS extraction of Putin/current president.
or Nukes. Nukes are good too.
I like that. You probably are right. Anyways, based on others ideas, I don't think Russia would be able to conquer all of Europe because their tanks are all inferior to the Challenger and Leopard II's, and their air force is outdated and in poor condition. Also, the other states in Central Europe most likely remember the Soviet rule greatly and still resent Russia for it. Most importantly, Russia still isn't that rich, compared to the Western European states. I am not sure they could even propagate a war on this scale reasonably, let alone win it.
Alright, Hypothetical situation: China invades the United States in the form of a Blitz, even faster than Germany's Blitz on Poland. The west coast is over-run, can we push them back? Keep in mind this is a conventional war.
NATO would PWN.
Uh, yeah. How are they going to supply their army. Our navy will cut their supply lines like the British did to Rommel.~[_-=*Hanma*=-_]~ wrote:
Alright, Hypothetical situation: China invades the United States in the form of a Blitz, even faster than Germany's Blitz on Poland. The west coast is over-run, can we push them back? Keep in mind this is a conventional war.
IMO United States would win in term of technologie...but china...they have a fucking bunch of soldier round here...
Do not derail this with your hypo. Start another thread for that.~[_-=*Hanma*=-_]~ wrote:
Alright, Hypothetical situation: China invades the United States in the form of a Blitz, even faster than Germany's Blitz on Poland. The west coast is over-run, can we push them back? Keep in mind this is a conventional war.
By this time, hopefully Russia will have more T-90s, there are currently not many of them in existence at all. Those would probably still get pwned by Challenger 2 tanks. Countries like Germany and Austria would pwn them with far superior infantry weaponry. As everyone else mentioned, the Russians would be using mostly old but plentiful tanks. I think the end it wouldn't work for Russia.
Thats what i meant, im just not sure that the UK would go to war with the proper EU (i just call it that as they use Euro's Sorry Poe) as the UK or England seems to be more friendly with the USA atm.Turquoise wrote:
All I have to say is that the U.K. could hold its own, but I'm not so sure about the rest of the area....Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
Hypothetical situation:
Similar to the events in Red Storm Rising, Russia launches an invasion of Europe starting with Germany. At first glance, there are not enough NATO forces in Europe to stop thousands of invading Russian tanks. In an all out conventional war, could NATO forces in Europe successfully repel an invasion without the aid of the US?
Keeping in mind all facets of a military (army, navy, air force, etc.), how do you think it would all go down?
In my opinion yes the UK could withstand this attack but i dont think that France and some of the other major European countries could.
Will Smith>the aliensGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Could Earth defeat Mars if we were invaded?
France has nuclear weapons and, as far as I know, if one member of the EU gets attacked we all respond together, which means the UK would be involved.OakLeaves wrote:
Thats what i meant, im just not sure that the UK would go to war with the proper EU (i just call it that as they use Euro's Sorry Poe) as the UK or England seems to be more friendly with the USA atm.Turquoise wrote:
All I have to say is that the U.K. could hold its own, but I'm not so sure about the rest of the area....Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
Hypothetical situation:
Similar to the events in Red Storm Rising, Russia launches an invasion of Europe starting with Germany. At first glance, there are not enough NATO forces in Europe to stop thousands of invading Russian tanks. In an all out conventional war, could NATO forces in Europe successfully repel an invasion without the aid of the US?
Keeping in mind all facets of a military (army, navy, air force, etc.), how do you think it would all go down?
In my opinion yes the UK could withstand this attack but i dont think that France and some of the other major European countries could.
I thought that was what happened if you were part of NATO, not the EU. Give it a few years though and going by Russia's current and recent actions they may well have a larger military. Sending naval vessel's out from the white sea, round the Kola Penisula, through the arctic ocean and down toward the UK would mean they would only have to battle with say Norwegian or Swedish ships before moving on to invade the UK. But yes it would be difficult, the reason England wasn't lost in WW2 was because it was an island as we all know.CameronPoe wrote:
France has nuclear weapons and, as far as I know, if one member of the EU gets attacked we all respond together, which means the UK would be involved.
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Europe, whose combined armed forces outnumber the Russians as well as being technologically superior, would need to maintain air superiority over western Europe and Scandanavia. Maintaining oil production in the north sea by Britain and Norway would be essential. Scandanavia would also be a great staging point for an assault on the UK from Russia. Since Europes combined air forces are larger than Russias and more advanced, they would stand a very good chance of maintaining air dominance in these key regions as well as having a solid air presence over front line fighting, which would probably be across Poland, Finland and the Ukraine. The Russians would have a horribly large front to be fighting on (from Finland to Turkey), which would be difficult for them logistically. The main concern would be losing control of Scandanavian air space, which the air forces of Sweden, Norway and Finland, would not be able to prevent alone - with support from British, Spanish, Dutch and possibly Italian airforces, who would be sufficiently removed from the front line to dedicate a large proportion of their air forces to maintain control of Scandanavian air space, I doubt the Russians could make much ground on any front. Turkey and Mediterranean Naval control would be important for supply routes for oil from the middle east. If the Russians focused on an attack to the north, oil supplies would still be coming from the south, if they attacked the southern front, oil supplies from the north would continue.
I really don't think the Russians could do it, but it would end up being a bloody battle, which would benefit neither side.
I really don't think the Russians could do it, but it would end up being a bloody battle, which would benefit neither side.
U.K will kill Russia on its own!!!!
i think that in the Uk we'd probably we build the coastel defences that we had during WW2 and probably make another home guard, by the way there was a series of realyl good programs on more 4 last week and the last of these had what would happen if the nazi's had gotten air superiority in the battle of britain and invaded. they actually did this in 1970 (the UK generals during WW2 and the german generals had the worlds largest war game about this.
result:- the UK owned the germans and managed to only lose 15km of land then we pushed them off the island completely within two weeks, the germans lost 75% of their troops.
i think that if we had the time we'd probably rebuild the coastel defences but it just depends on how much warning we have.
we'd probably introduce conscription again if it was going to last a few months or more.
we'd also rebuild the home guard strait away i think, and the numbers in it would grow much larger than they did in WW2 where we had 1.5 million men, i'd think if we were to re introduce it we'd have about 10 million men. but that would only matter in the long term really.
I'd guess that the russians would get completely bogged down in the balkans for several weeks i which time all the major NATO nations would get ready, especially so if the russians had declared war already which i honestly doubt as they would know that if they just declared war on all the balkans then the UN would just get very very angry and write many nasty letters.
i loved the war of the worlds quote by the way whoever said that
if you can't remember it was the
"the chances of anything coming from mars, are a million to one they say"
pity nobody realized it
result:- the UK owned the germans and managed to only lose 15km of land then we pushed them off the island completely within two weeks, the germans lost 75% of their troops.
i think that if we had the time we'd probably rebuild the coastel defences but it just depends on how much warning we have.
we'd probably introduce conscription again if it was going to last a few months or more.
we'd also rebuild the home guard strait away i think, and the numbers in it would grow much larger than they did in WW2 where we had 1.5 million men, i'd think if we were to re introduce it we'd have about 10 million men. but that would only matter in the long term really.
I'd guess that the russians would get completely bogged down in the balkans for several weeks i which time all the major NATO nations would get ready, especially so if the russians had declared war already which i honestly doubt as they would know that if they just declared war on all the balkans then the UN would just get very very angry and write many nasty letters.
i loved the war of the worlds quote by the way whoever said that
if you can't remember it was the
"the chances of anything coming from mars, are a million to one they say"
pity nobody realized it
I don't think sowah1188 wrote:
U.K will kill Russia on its own!!!!
Russia VS Germany in WW2, who won? China might win I think, but they got no navy.Roger Lesboules wrote:
IMO United States would win in term of technologie...but china...they have a fucking bunch of soldier round here...
Nazi Germany vs Russia in the the mild European Winters... dunno how that one would have turned out...cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Russia VS Germany in WW2, who won? China might win I think, but they got no navy.Roger Lesboules wrote:
IMO United States would win in term of technologie...but china...they have a fucking bunch of soldier round here...
i saw a documentary about a post cold war military analysis of the different strategies and capabilities. question was, how an invasion of the soviets would have ended/how a conventional world war 3 would have been like:
...the soviets would have advanced deep into northern germany but after only few weeks, their lack of industrial power and so their lack of supply would have stopped their attack. they might have a lot of weapons/tanks and some nice new toys - but they can´t feed the hungry beast, when it was running for weeks..
...the soviets would have advanced deep into northern germany but after only few weeks, their lack of industrial power and so their lack of supply would have stopped their attack. they might have a lot of weapons/tanks and some nice new toys - but they can´t feed the hungry beast, when it was running for weeks..