Wreckognize
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/05/28/kevor … index.html

LANSING, Michigan (AP) -- For nearly a decade, Dr. Jack Kevorkian waged a defiant campaign to help other people kill themselves.

The retired pathologist left bodies at hospital emergency rooms and motels and videotaped a death that was broadcast on CBS' "60 Minutes."

His actions prompted battles over assisted suicide in many states. (Watch Kevorkian show off his death machine Video)

But as he prepares to leave prison June 1 after serving more than eight years of a 10- to 25-year sentence in the death of a Michigan man, Kevorkian will find that there's still only one state that has a law allowing physician-assisted suicide -- Oregon.

Experts say that's because abortion opponents, Catholic leaders, advocates for the disabled and often doctors have fought the efforts of other states to follow the lead of Oregon, where the law took effect in late 1997.

Opponents defeated a measure in Vermont this year and are fighting similar efforts in California. Bills have failed in recent years in Hawaii, Wisconsin and Washington state, and ballot measures were defeated earlier by voters in Washington, California, Michigan and Maine.

Kevorkian's release could spur another round of efforts, if only to prevent anyone else from following his example.

"One of the driving forces of the (Oregon) law was to prevent the Jack Kevorkians from happening," said Kate Davenport, a communications specialist at the Death with Dignity National Center in Portland, Oregon, which defended Oregon's law against challenges.

"It wasn't well regulated or sane," she said. "There were just too many potential pitfalls."

Kevorkian, 79, was criticized even by assisted suicide supporters because of his unconventional practices.

He used a machine he'd invented to administer fatal drugs and dropped off bodies at hospital emergency rooms or coroner's offices, or left them to be discovered in the motel rooms where he often met those who wanted his help.

At the time, some doctors didn't want to give dying patients too much pain medication, fearing they'd be accused of hastening death.

Oregon law allows only terminally ill, mentally competent adults who can self-administer the medication to ask a physician to prescribe life-ending drugs, and they must make that request once in writing and twice orally.

Oregon's experience shows that only a tiny percentage of people will ever choose to quicken their death, said Sidney Wanzer, a retired Massachusetts doctor who has been a leader in the right-to-die movement.

From the time the law took effect in 1997 until the end of last year, 292 people asked their doctors to prescribe the drugs they would need to end their lives, an average of just over 30 a year. Most of the 46 people who used the process last year had cancer, and their median age was 74, according to a state report.

Experts say the attention on assisted suicide has helped raise awareness caring for the terminally ill.

"End-of-life care has increased dramatically" in Oregon with more hospice referrals and better pain management, says Valerie Vollmar, a professor at Oregon's Willamette University College of Law who writes extensively on physician-assisted death.

Opponents and supporters of physician-assisted death say more needs to be done to offer hospice care and pain treatment for those who are dying and suffering from debilitating pain.

"The solution here is not to kill people who are getting inadequate pain management, but to remove barriers to adequate pain management," said Burke Balch, director of the Powell Center for Medical Ethics at the National Right to Life Committee, which opposes assisted suicide.

"We need to come up with better solutions to human suffering and human need," Balch said.

More end-of-life care is needed, but doctors should have a right to assist those who ask for their help in dying, Wanzer said.

"There are a handful of patients who have the best of care, everything has been done right, but they still suffer. And it's this person I think should have the right to say, `This is not working and I want to die sooner,"' Wanzer said.

Kevorkian has promised he'll never again advise or counsel anyone about assisted suicide once he's out of prison. But his attorney, Mayer Morganroth, said Kevorkian isn't going to stop pushing for more laws allowing it.

The state wants to go after money that Kevorkian makes following his release to help cover the cost of his incarceration. Morganroth has said his client has been offered as much as $100,000 to speak. Many of those speeches are expected to be on assisted suicide.

"It's got to be legalized," Kevorkian said in a phone interview from prison aired by a Detroit TV station on Monday. "I'll work to have it legalized. But I won't break any laws doing it."
As a pro-deather, I'm glad to see he's being released.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6469|The Land of Scott Walker
Can I "help someone die" and get out of jail early too?
MorbiD.ShoT
Stormin' through the party
+322|6620
No!  Not "Dr. Death"!

This guy was infamous in the US for dealing "euthansia" to people who wanted it, or PAS (Physician Assisted Suicide).  I am pro-death in some cases, but this guy is too much for me to handle.

He should be locked away for many more years!  Who's to say he won't pick up where he left off?
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|6775|Chicago.
IMO, Kevorkian should be euthanized. He's done enough damage already.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6668

MorbiD.ShoT wrote:

No!  Not "Dr. Death"!

This guy was infamous in the US for dealing "euthansia" to people who wanted it, or PAS (Physician Assisted Suicide).  I am pro-death in some cases, but this guy is too much for me to handle.

He should be locked away for many more years!  Who's to say he won't pick up where he left off?
curious, why do you say he should be locked up?
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6471|Chicago, IL
https://discovery-experimental.com/no_justice/pages/grim_reaper.JPG


as if one wasn't bad enough.

although i can't say i'm totally against him either.
MorbiD.ShoT
Stormin' through the party
+322|6620

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

MorbiD.ShoT wrote:

No!  Not "Dr. Death"!

This guy was infamous in the US for dealing "euthansia" to people who wanted it, or PAS (Physician Assisted Suicide).  I am pro-death in some cases, but this guy is too much for me to handle.

He should be locked away for many more years!  Who's to say he won't pick up where he left off?
curious, why do you say he should be locked up?
If not locked up, maybe kept under some minimal form of house arrest?  I dunno, I'd feel uncomfortable knowing that he could "help" kill my grandmother who's been wishing she was dead for the past 10 years, was on the "prowl".

Edit: Although we know she still wants to live, it's just her condition that makes her say depressing things.

Last edited by MorbiD.ShoT (2007-05-29 18:40:49)

GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6668

MorbiD.ShoT wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

MorbiD.ShoT wrote:

No!  Not "Dr. Death"!

This guy was infamous in the US for dealing "euthansia" to people who wanted it, or PAS (Physician Assisted Suicide).  I am pro-death in some cases, but this guy is too much for me to handle.

He should be locked away for many more years!  Who's to say he won't pick up where he left off?
curious, why do you say he should be locked up?
If not locked up, maybe kept under some minimal form of house arrest?  I dunno, I'd feel uncomfortable knowing that he could "help" kill my grandmother who's been wishing she was dead for the past 10 years, was on the "prowl".

Edit: Although we know she still wants to live, it's just her condition that makes her say depressing things.
i see where youre coming from
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6605|the dank(super) side of Oregon
as far as I'm concerned, he can come set up shop here in Oregon.   Physician Assisted Suicide is legal here.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6429|North Carolina

Stingray24 wrote:

Can I "help someone die" and get out of jail early too?
Yep, assisting someone in massive amounts of pain in killing themselves is just downright evil.  Nevermind the fact that we extend such services to grievously injured animals...
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6605|the dank(super) side of Oregon
I'm not a christian asshole so it's not my responsibility, moral or othewise, to drag out someone's wretched, pain filled life.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|6790|Cambridge (UK)
Personally, having an illness that means I suffer a great deal of pain on a regular basis, I think assisted suicide should be legal and 'Dr Death' is a saint.

Do not judge this man unless you truly understand the suffering of his patients.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6796|PNW

Boggles the mind that he was jailed while countless abortion physicians remain at large.
chittydog
less busy
+586|6859|Kubra, Damn it!

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I think assisted suicide should be legal and 'Dr Death' is a saint.
QFE. Kevorkian is the man. He helped people end lives made miserable from endless suffering and was willing to go to prison to do what he believed was right. The guy's a hero.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6605|the dank(super) side of Oregon

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Boggles the mind that he was jailed while countless abortion physicians remain at large.
are you reveling in the hypocracy or complaining that abortion doctors aren't crucified and or impaled?
chittydog
less busy
+586|6859|Kubra, Damn it!

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Boggles the mind that he was jailed while countless abortion physicians remain at large.
The (amazingly huge) difference here is that these people were in agony and wanted desperately to be freed from their pain. They wanted this and asked for it.


http://www.butnowyouknow.com/assisted.suicide.html

Last edited by chittydog (2007-05-29 19:28:15)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6429|North Carolina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Boggles the mind that he was jailed while countless abortion physicians remain at large.
What also boggles the mind is how most pro-lifers don't support more government funding for adoption infrastructures and better social programs for single mothers.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6605|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Boggles the mind that he was jailed while countless abortion physicians remain at large.
What also boggles the mind is how most pro-lifers don't support more government funding for adoption infrastructures and better social programs for single mothers.
yeah, but those kids and mothers are probably brown, yuk.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6796|PNW

Reciprocity wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Boggles the mind that he was jailed while countless abortion physicians remain at large.
are you reveling in the hypocracy or complaining that abortion doctors aren't crucified and or impaled?
Say what?

chittydog wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Boggles the mind that he was jailed while countless abortion physicians remain at large.
The (amazingly huge) difference here is that these people were in agony and wanted desperately to be freed from their pain. They wanted this and asked for it.


http://www.butnowyouknow.com/assisted.suicide.html
Whereas to some "mothers," abortion is like a stop at the quickie-mart.

Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Boggles the mind that he was jailed while countless abortion physicians remain at large.
What also boggles the mind is how most pro-lifers don't support more government funding for adoption infrastructures and better social programs for single mothers.
It is sad, but I feel obligated to bring up the "give a mouse a cookie" scenario. I do support social programs, but spending must be restrained. Already wildly blowing wads of cash on faulty equipment for the military...
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6605|the dank(super) side of Oregon

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Whereas to some "mothers," abortion is like a stop at the quickie-mart.
yes, I'm sure most women consider abortion a chore, or even better, a hobby.

I love how this discussion has inevitably turned into an infantilization of terminally ill people.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2007-05-29 20:25:52)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6429|North Carolina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Boggles the mind that he was jailed while countless abortion physicians remain at large.
What also boggles the mind is how most pro-lifers don't support more government funding for adoption infrastructures and better social programs for single mothers.
It is sad, but I feel obligated to bring up the "give a mouse a cookie" scenario. I do support social programs, but spending must be restrained. Already wildly blowing wads of cash on faulty equipment for the military...
Why not leave Iraq, cut military spending in half, spend half of the savings on adoption programs and social programs for these mothers, and THEN....  restrict abortion down to extenuating circumstances?

That would be a plan that makes far more sense than what most pro-lifers seem to preach.  It's like they have their heads in the clouds.  There are so many economic things to consider in dealing with the abortion issue that are even more important than the "moral" side of it.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|6790|Cambridge (UK)
Can we please not turn this into a pro/anti-abortion debate/flamewar.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6594|Portland, OR, USA
You have absolutely no right to tell me what to do with my body unless it harms someone else (don't take that the wrong way, I'm pro-choice).  Leave your bullshit "Christian" morals at the doorstep please.  It's un-American to impose your beliefs upon me.

Separation of Church and state.
LT.Victim
Member
+1,175|6587|British Columbia, Canada
I really don't see what he did wrong

These people wanted to die, he helped them.

I mean, if he didn't help them, whats stopping them from splatting there guts all over the ground or running infront of a train?
Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|6716|Calgary
If I'm am wasting away with some disease, with no hope of a cure, who has the right to tell me I have to live and indure constant pain and suffering. I should have the right to call up the Doc and tell him to help me end it. WTF is wrong with that if it is MY CHOICE?!?!?!?!

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