Hlep balancing this equation (driving me mad....)

2007-05-07 13:10:16

#1

=Karma-Kills=: "Don't post while intoxicated."; +356|6585|England

Hello all,

Trying to balance the symbol equation of Hydrochloric acid + Iron (II) Oxide

HCl + FeO --> H2O + Cl3Fe

But i just can't get it to balance?!

Either im incredibly stupid or its impossible (im going for the former!)

This is driving me crazy... it should be piss easy!

2007-05-07 13:12:58

#2

=Karma-Kills=: "Don't post while intoxicated."; +356|6585|England

I cant even spell now... :cries:

2007-05-07 13:19:48

#3

Ganko_06: Laughter with an S; +167|6646|Camoran's Paradise

I don't think it can work. Are you sure your equation is right?

2007-05-07 13:20:54

#4

=Karma-Kills=: "Don't post while intoxicated."; +356|6585|England

Well thats what im starting to think.

The question specifically says Hydrochloric acid + Iron (II) Oxide. Have i got the formulas wrong? Or is it a typo? Would Iron (III) Oxide work?

2007-05-07 13:21:44

#5

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6464|cuntshitlake

Impossible.

cba to concentrate more, but it seems impossible.

Last edited by DeathUnlimited (2007-05-07 13:23:34)

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2007-05-07 13:25:47

#6

heggs: Spamalamadingdong; +581|6389|New York

Doesn't seem to work quite right, no matter what value I put in.

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2007-05-07 13:26:26

#7

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6733|St. Andrews / Oslo

You need 3 times more I's than C's, and you can only get that from HCI, so I don't think it can work.

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2007-05-07 13:26:32

#8

De_Jappe: Triarii; +432|6528|Belgium

6HCl + Fe2O3 -> 3H2O + 2Cl3Fe does work so it's probably Iron(III) oxide, I think. has been a long time though

2007-05-07 13:27:11

#9

sexecuti0ner: What kinda guy are you are?; +148|6233

I can't figure it out. I'm no genius, but I remember being able to get through this stuff pretty quickly when I took chemistry. Just out of curiosity, what level of chemistry is this?

2007-05-07 13:27:21

#10

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6773|PNW

=Karma-Kills= wrote:
Hello all,

Trying to balance the symbol equation of Hydrochloric acid + Iron (II) Oxide

HCl + FeO --> H2O + Cl3Fe

But i just can't get it to balance?!

Either im incredibly stupid or its impossible (im going for the former!)

This is driving me crazy... it should be piss easy!

H2O + Cl3Fe > HCl + FeO

Trick question? OMG, it's been so long since I took chemistry...so don't take my word for it. Time to crack open the ol' book again before I forget it all.

[edit: Wait, no, that's half-cell. Silly me.]

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-05-07 13:32:54)

2007-05-07 13:27:33

#11

=Karma-Kills=: "Don't post while intoxicated."; +356|6585|England

Thanks guys... stupid question sheet made me feel all retarted.

EDIT: This is AS Chemistry btw, who ever asked.

Last edited by =Karma-Kills= (2007-05-07 13:30:21)

2007-05-07 13:30:25

#12

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6733|St. Andrews / Oslo

De_Jappe wrote:
6HCl + Fe2O3 -> 3H2O + 2Cl3Fe does work so it's probably Iron(III) oxide, I think. has been a long time though

I thought you had to multiply all the letters with the same number? (lol, simplicity ftw)

Fe2O3 can't be the same as FeO, can it?

2007-05-07 13:32:26

#13

=Karma-Kills=: "Don't post while intoxicated."; +356|6585|England

No, FeO is different from Fe2O3.
FeO is Iron (II) Oxide, Fe2O3 is Iron (III) oxide - wherein i believe the mistake in the question lies.

2007-05-07 13:33:04

#14

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6773|PNW

Update to my last post: I think this problem is unsolvable by balance, at least the way it's written. I even ran it through my software after it stumped me on paper.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-05-07 13:33:39)

2007-05-07 13:45:05

#15

=Karma-Kills=: "Don't post while intoxicated."; +356|6585|England

*COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO OP*

Hmm... got a karma glitches from here... will post.

2007-05-07 14:46:00

#16

Winston_Churchill: Bazinga!; +521|6740|Toronto | Canada

=Karma-Kills= wrote:
Hello all,

Trying to balance the symbol equation of Hydrochloric acid + Iron (II) Oxide

HCl + FeO --> H2O + Cl3Fe

But i just can't get it to balance?!

Either im incredibly stupid or its impossible (im going for the former!)

This is driving me crazy... it should be piss easy!

Are you using Iron II or Iron III because the question and equation say two different things

If the question is right then it is

4HCl + 2FeO --> 2H2O + 2Cl2Fe

2007-05-08 01:39:38

#17

mcminty: Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.; +879|6722|Sydney, Australia

Geeze, the correct reaction is actually (obtained from http://www.ucc.ie/academic/chem/dolchem … p/hcl.html)

FeO + 2 HCl ---> FeCl₂ + H₂O

Note how O has a valence of -2, while Cl is -1. Looking at the molecule FeO, it must be Iron [II]. Therefore there are 2 Cl's that can bond with the Fe, not the 3 that your eqn has.

Mcminty.

2007-05-08 02:11:56

#18

FloppY_: +1,010|6287|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Where do they teach these things O_o I don't understand any of this... maybe we learn something different here in DK

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2007-05-08 03:31:46

#19

Vub: The Power of Two; +188|6495|Sydney, Australia

=Karma-Kills= wrote:
Hello all,

Trying to balance the symbol equation of Hydrochloric acid + Iron (II) Oxide

HCl + FeO --> H2O + Cl3Fe

But i just can't get it to balance?!

Either im incredibly stupid or its impossible (im going for the former!)

This is driving me crazy... it should be piss easy!

Let me tell you why this will never balance. Since your product is water, you'll always need twice as much HCl than FeO, but looking at Cl3Fe, you'll need 3 times as much HCl than FeO, which is a direct contradiction. So perhaps check up on whether or not the question is right because your thing will never balance.

2007-05-08 03:34:55

#20

Vub: The Power of Two; +188|6495|Sydney, Australia

I think it should be 2HCl + FeO --> H2O + Fe(Cl)2

Last edited by Vub (2007-05-08 03:35:55)

2007-05-08 03:44:30

#21

Z-trooper: BF2s' little helper; +209|6759|Denmark

ShawN_ wrote:
Where do they teach these things O_o I don't understand any of this... maybe we learn something different here in DK

Nope, they teach it in Denmark.. I learned it when I had chemestry at Technical Collage (htx)... but thats 2-3 years ago and I cant remember much of it cause I havet used since..

2007-05-08 04:02:56

#22

FloppY_: +1,010|6287|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Z-trooper wrote:
ShawN_ wrote:
Where do they teach these things O_o I don't understand any of this... maybe we learn something different here in DK
Nope, they teach it in Denmark.. I learned it when I had chemestry at Technical Collage (htx)... but thats 2-3 years ago and I cant remember much of it cause I havet used since..

Yeah, but they can remember it,, and i doubt they are all in the middle of an education similar to HTX right now...

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2007-05-08 04:07:08

#23

r'Eeee: That's how I roll, BITCH!; +311|6449

Iron (III) oxide is not FeO, its Fe2O3... so the equation must be:

Fe2O3+6HCl -------> 2FeCl3+ 3H2O

Last edited by rabee2789b (2007-05-08 04:07:35)

2007-05-08 06:07:18

#24

twiistaaa: Member; +87|6669|mexico

ShawN_ wrote:
Yeah, but they can remember it,, and i doubt they are all in the middle of an education similar to HTX right now...

remember what? its the most basic part of chemistry. you learn this stuff in the first weeks. i even know it lol.

2007-05-08 06:23:33

#25

Smithereener: Member; +138|6317|California

You can't balance because the oxidation numbers aren't right. "O" has an oxidation number of -2, "Cl" is -1. If FeO is Iron (II) Oxide, you need to have 2 "Cl," not 3.

Balanced Equation should be 2HCl + FeO ---> H₂O + FeCl₂

Last edited by Smithereener (2007-05-08 06:26:07)

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