He he, nice one lowing. Start a thread on how Muslims teach hate and intolerance when this entire thread could be accused of exactly the same thing. So what are you teaching lowing if its not hate?
Nothing new to me usmarine. My Government is in bed with all sorts of terrible regimes, I mean we let US troops fly through Shannon airport FFS. I criticize my Government all the time, I disagree with a lot of what they do and with a lot of the people they do business with, I sign petitions and turn up to protests ...if I were an American I guess I'd be called unpatriotic for that! I do it because I love my country and call foul when I see it doing wrong in my name.usmarine2005 wrote:
Try not to overlook other countries in the same bed...Braddock wrote:
What's the matter lowing? This is your good buddies Saudi Arabia. Perhaps your Government should stop turning a blind eye to their terrible regime?
Saudi Arabia, Ireland to Forge Alliances
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.a … 1093139287
"Menafn-Arab News) RIYADH, 17 January 2007 � With bilateral trade hovering around $360 million annually, the Kingdom and Ireland have decided to revitalize the joint economic commission and forge strategic alliances in the context of the multibillion dollar economic cities to be set up in different parts of the Kingdom."
"IRELAND BACKS SAUDI WTO BID"
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-148617_ITM
http://www.muslimtrade.net/tradeguideline/saudia/
http://www.saudia-online.com/direction_of_trade.html
"The ranking of the top five exporting countries to Saudi Arabia during 1990 placed the U.S. at first place with an importation value of SR15,062 million (U.S. $4,016.5 million) representing about 17 percent of the Kingdom's total imports (see table 16). Japan was in the second place (SR13,815 million, or U.S.$3,684 million), followed by England (SR10,182 million, or U.S.$2,715.2 million), Germany (SR6,645 million, or U.S.$1,772 million), and Switzerland (SR5,929 million, or U.S.$1,581.07 million).'
I did read that, We are talking about a society that holds sawing off a head as JUST, are we not? The definition of JUST really needs to gauged. What is justice to them is certainly not justice to us.CameronPoe wrote:
Any of you sensationalist idiots notice this entry from the Saudi textbook:
"True belief means . . . that you hate the polytheists and infidels but do not treat them unjustly."
Thought not. Wahabism is terrible but most muslims aren't wahabi.
I love out of that whole article the only thing you can pull out and turn into a defense is that one sentence, ignoring everything else. Does that one sentence really give such you warm fuzzies for their society?
Are we?lowing wrote:
We are talking about a society that holds sawing off a head as JUST, are we not?
Seems to me that you are still thinking of the whole muslim world as such. That pretty much is as reasonable as labelling "us westeners and christians" as all being from Waco.
It's called unreasonable generalisation and extreme narrow-mindedness. Think before you speak.
I need around tree fiddy.
Hmmmmmmm, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, we are kinds whittling down the countries in the ME that do not teach this shit. You willing to place any bets this same shit is not taught in Syria, Jordan, Somolia,etc......Masques wrote:
All you have are a couple of stories about Saudi Arabia and a school affiliated with the Iranian regime (that they would be intolerant is no surprise) yet you extrapolate that to Muslims and the Middle East in general. Frankly, your point is bullshit.lowing wrote:
Don't look now Frenchie, this thread is not about economics. It is about you all saying that Islam is a peace loving religion when in fact it, hate and intolerance is what is being taught throughout the ME within their school system.JimmyBotswana wrote:
wow what a surprise lowing and ATG condeming Saudi Arabia while conveniently overlooking that their own country is the #1 supporter of Saudi Arabia. And then trying to deflect blame to Ireland as if that somehow excuses America of all wrong doings in this matter. Thank god I learned a long time ago that arguing with lowing is useless.
You never brought much of a challenge to the table anyway. Debating with your ass was like shooting fish in a barrel. Maybe easier, fish at least moved. Try arguing a point instead of personal attacks, maybe you might win me over.
It's true that such things are taught in SA and Iran (again, no surprise there), but to assume that of Muslims as a whole is engaging in bigotry of the worst sort.
Then tell me how many coutries have to be shown that they actually teach this shit before you stop saying that I am generalizing?
This is what they are TEACHING in their schools.........
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/saudi/justice.htmlDonFck wrote:
Are we?lowing wrote:
We are talking about a society that holds sawing off a head as JUST, are we not?
Seems to me that you are still thinking of the whole muslim world as such. That pretty much is as reasonable as labelling "us westeners and christians" as all being from Waco.
It's called unreasonable generalisation and extreme narrow-mindedness. Think before you speak.
Sorry didn't mean to generalize. NEXT!!!!
Me neitherlowing wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/saudi/justice.htmlDonFck wrote:
Are we?lowing wrote:
We are talking about a society that holds sawing off a head as JUST, are we not?
Seems to me that you are still thinking of the whole muslim world as such. That pretty much is as reasonable as labelling "us westeners and christians" as all being from Waco.
It's called unreasonable generalisation and extreme narrow-mindedness. Think before you speak.
Sorry didn't mean to generalize. NEXT!!!!
I need around tree fiddy.
Still a generalisation. Saudis are not representative of the global Muslim population.lowing wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/saudi/justice.htmlDonFck wrote:
Are we?lowing wrote:
We are talking about a society that holds sawing off a head as JUST, are we not?
Seems to me that you are still thinking of the whole muslim world as such. That pretty much is as reasonable as labelling "us westeners and christians" as all being from Waco.
It's called unreasonable generalisation and extreme narrow-mindedness. Think before you speak.
Sorry didn't mean to generalize. NEXT!!!!
You need clothes? http://next.co.uk/sale/
Last edited by m3thod (2007-04-23 03:17:55)
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Nope protesting is as American as it gets. YOu would be unpatriotic when you stop supporting the troops. Unfortunately supporting the troops means you support the mission charged to them. Like it or not, the troops have been called to battle. Support them until the battle is won and we bring them home. Then you can vote out of office anyone you want. To me creating so much strife with our troops caught in the middle is costing them lives.Braddock wrote:
Nothing new to me usmarine. My Government is in bed with all sorts of terrible regimes, I mean we let US troops fly through Shannon airport FFS. I criticize my Government all the time, I disagree with a lot of what they do and with a lot of the people they do business with, I sign petitions and turn up to protests ...if I were an American I guess I'd be called unpatriotic for that! I do it because I love my country and call foul when I see it doing wrong in my name.usmarine2005 wrote:
Try not to overlook other countries in the same bed...Braddock wrote:
What's the matter lowing? This is your good buddies Saudi Arabia. Perhaps your Government should stop turning a blind eye to their terrible regime?
Saudi Arabia, Ireland to Forge Alliances
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.a … 1093139287
"Menafn-Arab News) RIYADH, 17 January 2007 � With bilateral trade hovering around $360 million annually, the Kingdom and Ireland have decided to revitalize the joint economic commission and forge strategic alliances in the context of the multibillion dollar economic cities to be set up in different parts of the Kingdom."
"IRELAND BACKS SAUDI WTO BID"
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-148617_ITM
http://www.muslimtrade.net/tradeguideline/saudia/
http://www.saudia-online.com/direction_of_trade.html
"The ranking of the top five exporting countries to Saudi Arabia during 1990 placed the U.S. at first place with an importation value of SR15,062 million (U.S. $4,016.5 million) representing about 17 percent of the Kingdom's total imports (see table 16). Japan was in the second place (SR13,815 million, or U.S.$3,684 million), followed by England (SR10,182 million, or U.S.$2,715.2 million), Germany (SR6,645 million, or U.S.$1,772 million), and Switzerland (SR5,929 million, or U.S.$1,581.07 million).'
You're saying that lowing but if that's the case then why have I NEVER met a Muslim that has ever given me the impression that he disliked me for being a 'Godless, infidel Westerner'? You're looking at the shite they're putting in certain textbooks and assuming the way a whole body of diverse religious factions are interpreting them. It could be argued that through the US media the American people are being conditioned to hate Middle Eastern Muslims, I wouldn't dare presume that every American actually felt that way though. Muslims are people not sheep, many Muslims will see through the meddling that political powers attempt with their religion.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmmmm, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, we are kinds whittling down the countries in the ME that do not teach this shit. You willing to place any bets this same shit is not taught in Syria, Jordan, Somolia,etc......Masques wrote:
All you have are a couple of stories about Saudi Arabia and a school affiliated with the Iranian regime (that they would be intolerant is no surprise) yet you extrapolate that to Muslims and the Middle East in general. Frankly, your point is bullshit.lowing wrote:
Don't look now Frenchie, this thread is not about economics. It is about you all saying that Islam is a peace loving religion when in fact it, hate and intolerance is what is being taught throughout the ME within their school system.
You never brought much of a challenge to the table anyway. Debating with your ass was like shooting fish in a barrel. Maybe easier, fish at least moved. Try arguing a point instead of personal attacks, maybe you might win me over.
It's true that such things are taught in SA and Iran (again, no surprise there), but to assume that of Muslims as a whole is engaging in bigotry of the worst sort.
Then tell me how many coutries have to be shown that they actually teach this shit before you stop saying that I am generalizing?
This is what they are TEACHING in their schools.........
Last edited by Braddock (2007-04-23 03:28:30)
Hm, I didn't mention the global population, I said their society. Muslims in America are part of OUR society, not the ME, and therefore subjet to OUR justice system.m3thod wrote:
Still a generalisation. Saudis are not representative of the global Muslim population.lowing wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/saudi/justice.htmlDonFck wrote:
Are we?
Seems to me that you are still thinking of the whole muslim world as such. That pretty much is as reasonable as labelling "us westeners and christians" as all being from Waco.
It's called unreasonable generalisation and extreme narrow-mindedness. Think before you speak.
Sorry didn't mean to generalize. NEXT!!!!
You need clothes? http://next.co.uk/sale/
about the clothes, no thanks, I got all I need, switching over from winter clothes to spring/summer clothes as we speak.
Maybe so, but it is the ATTEMPT that you admit to, that the OP addresses. They are being taught hate and intolerance, and the ME is full of hate and intolerance. Is a connection between the 2 really so hard to pull together??Braddock wrote:
You're saying that lowing but if that's the case then why have I NEVER met a Muslim that has ever given me the impression that he disliked me for being a 'Godless, infidel Westerner'? You're looking at the shite they're putting in certain textbooks and assuming the way a whole body of diverse religious factions are interpreting them. It could be argued that through the US media the American people are being conditioned to hate Middle Eastern Muslims, I wouldn't dare presume that every American actually felt that way though. Muslims are people not sheep, many Muslims will see through the meddling that political powers attempt with their religion.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmmmm, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, we are kinds whittling down the countries in the ME that do not teach this shit. You willing to place any bets this same shit is not taught in Syria, Jordan, Somolia,etc......Masques wrote:
All you have are a couple of stories about Saudi Arabia and a school affiliated with the Iranian regime (that they would be intolerant is no surprise) yet you extrapolate that to Muslims and the Middle East in general. Frankly, your point is bullshit.
It's true that such things are taught in SA and Iran (again, no surprise there), but to assume that of Muslims as a whole is engaging in bigotry of the worst sort.
Then tell me how many coutries have to be shown that they actually teach this shit before you stop saying that I am generalizing?
This is what they are TEACHING in their schools.........
Well you must consider to them "just" treatment means either submt to islam or die.CameronPoe wrote:
Any of you sensationalist idiots notice this entry from the Saudi textbook:
"True belief means . . . that you hate the polytheists and infidels but do not treat them unjustly."
Thought not. Wahabism is terrible but most muslims aren't wahabi.
and how many people are actually being killed by this asshole? I gave you an entire govt. justice system in a nutshell, you give me some fuckin crackpot and you say it is the same thing?? Gimme a break.DonFck wrote:
Me neitherlowing wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/saudi/justice.htmlDonFck wrote:
Are we?
Seems to me that you are still thinking of the whole muslim world as such. That pretty much is as reasonable as labelling "us westeners and christians" as all being from Waco.
It's called unreasonable generalisation and extreme narrow-mindedness. Think before you speak.
Sorry didn't mean to generalize. NEXT!!!!
Who's society? Islam is not a society, its a faith but you'd know this. Your original post refers to contextually wrong Saudi textbooks yet the Japanese are world leaders at this practise. I don't see you on a correct the Japanese textbooks crusade. Anyway i have no idea why you have digressed to applicability of American Law to American Muslims.lowing wrote:
Hm, I didn't mention the global population, I said their society. Muslims in America are part of OUR society, not the ME, and therefore subject to OUR justice system.m3thod wrote:
Still a generalisation. Saudis are not representative of the global Muslim population.
You need clothes? http://next.co.uk/sale/
about the clothes, no thanks, I got all I need, switching over from winter clothes to spring/summer clothes as we speak.
IMO you are trying to use the article from the Washington Post to tar global Muslims with your hatred and intolerace brush. Let me ask you this, just who isn't a hater and intolerant fuck?
(don't say Dali Lama)
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I know, bad example. Sorry for that. But as far as the beheading goes, sure it's a brutal way of carrying out a death sentence, but death sentences in general are a cruel form of punishment, and also carried out in 37 of 50 states in the US.lowing wrote:
and how many people are actually being killed by this asshole? I gave you an entire govt. justice system in a nutshell, you give me some fuckin crackpot and you say it is the same thing?? Gimme a break.
so..
I need around tree fiddy.
This article is NOT about 1 school, 1 classroom and 1 teacher who got busted. We are talking about an entire country whose school curriculum is based on this shit. I also showed other countries who are teaching the same things. Please stop telling me I am generalizing. If the entire Muslim world was out to destroy the west EXCEPT FOR 1 and I said something about it, you guys would be accusing me of generalizing. C'mon M3thodm3thod wrote:
Who's society? Islam is not a society, its a faith but you'd know this. Your original post refers to contextually wrong Saudi textbooks yet the Japanese are world leaders at this practise. I don't see you on a correct the Japanese textbooks crusade. Anyway i have no idea why you have digressed to applicability of American Law to American Muslims.lowing wrote:
Hm, I didn't mention the global population, I said their society. Muslims in America are part of OUR society, not the ME, and therefore subject to OUR justice system.m3thod wrote:
Still a generalisation. Saudis are not representative of the global Muslim population.
You need clothes? http://next.co.uk/sale/
about the clothes, no thanks, I got all I need, switching over from winter clothes to spring/summer clothes as we speak.
IMO you are trying to use the article from the Washington Post to tar global Muslims with your hatred and intolerance brush. Let me ask you this, just who isn't a hater and intolerant fuck?
(don't say Dali Lama)
I also wanna add that Islam is as interwoven in their society as it gets. Their religion and their society seem to be one and the same.
Last edited by lowing (2007-04-23 03:58:31)
This is true but not for speaking out against the govt. or stealing, or looking at you funny. Only for murder, and even then, it is hard to get the DP.DonFck wrote:
I know, bad example. Sorry for that. But as far as the beheading goes, sure it's a brutal way of carrying out a death sentence, but death sentences in general are a cruel form of punishment, and also carried out in 37 of 50 states in the US.lowing wrote:
and how many people are actually being killed by this asshole? I gave you an entire govt. justice system in a nutshell, you give me some fuckin crackpot and you say it is the same thing?? Gimme a break.
so..
Are Muslims living in Suidi Arabia not subject to their own laws? They see fit to behead people and you see fit to inject people with a drug so they die in the majority of your states.lowing wrote:
Hm, I didn't mention the global population, I said their society. Muslims in America are part of OUR society, not the ME, and therefore subjet to OUR justice system.
Back to the main topic. Have you ever met a muslim or been to a country which is predominantly Muslim? If you had then you would know that most of them are peaceful, happy and generous people who respect otherpeoples religeons.
read up 2 posts.Invaderzim wrote:
Are Muslims living in Suidi Arabia not subject to their own laws? They see fit to behead people and you see fit to inject people with a drug so they die in the majority of your states.lowing wrote:
Hm, I didn't mention the global population, I said their society. Muslims in America are part of OUR society, not the ME, and therefore subjet to OUR justice system.
Back to the main topic. Have you ever met a muslim or been to a country which is predominantly Muslim? If you had then you would know that most of them are peaceful, happy and generous people who respect otherpeoples religeons.
I am about to find out here in a week or so.
Sorry you posted them while I was typing.
I hope you do meet a muslim and actualy talk to them about their religeon, I did and I learned alot.
I hope you do meet a muslim and actualy talk to them about their religeon, I did and I learned alot.
And this is what happens when you mix Religion and Education.
LOL. I fail to see where I'm defending Wahabiism. Or can you not comprehend the sentence: "Wahabism is terrible". I think you forget sometimes that you're talking to an atheist who abhorrs the intrusion of religion into civil affairs.lowing wrote:
I did read that, We are talking about a society that holds sawing off a head as JUST, are we not? The definition of JUST really needs to gauged. What is justice to them is certainly not justice to us.CameronPoe wrote:
Any of you sensationalist idiots notice this entry from the Saudi textbook:
"True belief means . . . that you hate the polytheists and infidels but do not treat them unjustly."
Thought not. Wahabism is terrible but most muslims aren't wahabi.
I love out of that whole article the only thing you can pull out and turn into a defense is that one sentence, ignoring everything else. Does that one sentence really give such you warm fuzzies for their society?
lowing can we talk about why Bush and the neo-cons love the Saudis so much?
Without a moral code handed down from above, you wouldnt have civil affairs.CameronPoe wrote:
LOL. I fail to see where I'm defending Wahabiism. Or can you not comprehend the sentence: "Wahabism is terrible". I think you forget sometimes that you're talking to an atheist who abhorrs the intrusion of religion into civil affairs.lowing wrote:
I did read that, We are talking about a society that holds sawing off a head as JUST, are we not? The definition of JUST really needs to gauged. What is justice to them is certainly not justice to us.CameronPoe wrote:
Any of you sensationalist idiots notice this entry from the Saudi textbook:
"True belief means . . . that you hate the polytheists and infidels but do not treat them unjustly."
Thought not. Wahabism is terrible but most muslims aren't wahabi.
I love out of that whole article the only thing you can pull out and turn into a defense is that one sentence, ignoring everything else. Does that one sentence really give such you warm fuzzies for their society?
The world would be a global version of Lord of the Flies.