BF2S Forums Iraqi Parliament Explosion

m3thod wrote:

CannonFodder11b wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Is the current Government pro Muqtada al-Sadr?

They are very Pro Sadr /Pro Shia.
Car bombs are not a Shia thing, car bombs are primarily a Sunni Tactic.
Shia prefer PSAF,EFPs,Mortars, and IEDs placed where they will minimize Shia casualties.
Shia do use carbombs but not as often and usually use them to take out a specific target away from civilian casualties.  Shia's generally prefer not to cause un-needed Shia deaths.

Sunni enjoy: VBIEDS (carbombs) in busy Streets no matter iuf it is a Sunni area with one Shia store...if they think you are Shia, your a target, and the sunni casualties are just martyrs.  Suicide bombings,rocket and mortar attacks on largly Shia areas, and small IEDs to take out foot troops not vehicles. And they love to cause a fire fight in an open area with lots of civilians around to use as a human shield.

Anything else? I've only been trying to stop this for almost 11 monthes now.

Give us a first hand account of the new security drive in Baghdad.  Is it working?  Have the Terrorist just dispersed to other cities accounting for the new wave of explosions that are being reported outside Baghdad?  Etc etc.

Why would they take out a main bridge? Don't they need to get about too?

Its working, Sadly Iranians are also poking holes in the border security. www.strykernews.com for news on that front.
The surge is working, but the JAM, and insurgents are getting displaced and running to other cities to wait and watch how we operate.  When they get scared they group up and assualt.  We are on the right path we just need more assets we can trust IE Iraqi Army,NPs/IPs and what not.

As for the bridge. If they are close to a check point, and they feel as though they are about to be comprimised they blow it early rather then get caught.  That might have been the case, but also, I dont know the location of that bridge, I have never travelled on it, but it could be usedx by allied forces as a Main supply route or patrol route into another sector... they might be trying to block off military traffic and fortifying the other side of the river.  Too early to tell.

m3thod wrote:

CannonFodder11b wrote:

I honestly believe the timing was off on this one.  But I do also believe we would have come back to iraq within 10years of our current attack. 

But for all those non-americans and pro UK people, You're just lieing to yourself if you truely think the US was the only country beating the war drums.  Your own governement wanted to take out Saddam and attempt to give hope to the people of Iraq.

And to whomever stated that Iraq had not had terrorists while Saddam was in power, you're sadly mistaken.
Saddam and his regime were terrorists themselves.  And ask the hundreds of Shia that were hung outside of they're homes because they tried to form a militia to protect they're daughters from getting raped and murdered by Saddam's Sons.
Ask whats left of the Iraqi Soccer team that Uday (I believe it was him) tortured and permenently disabled because they lost a game to Iran. 
Yeah there was terrorism... It was just called by a different name. 
But the goal of terrorism is the same, to inflict fear, and cause casualties through an act of terror.
The real victims of terrorism are not those that die.  Its those that live in fear for the rest of they're lives.  People like that are what give terrorists they're power.  In the end it boils down to are you willing to give them that power to subdue you through terror? Not me, If I die its gonna be on my feet not in a corner cowering.

Great post.  I've already +1 you though!

Yeah Occasionally I do have some random mental spark of inteligence... for the most part though i speak in grunts, scratches, belches, and the occasional Dude!  I only have 2 brain cells and one is too busy giving the other one mouth to mouth to generate a random thought most of the time.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

They got a bomb in, didn't look like a big one, but it made you happy I can see.
Obviously your on their side but don't think they wouldn't saw your head off given the chance. You post your distaste and contempt for any kind of religious faith constantly. They would un-man you with the same glee that you cheer there murders.  Now tell me this isn't so. Lets see what good it does them. Once people got a taste of freedom you cant take it away too easy. Desperate measures from desperate men. You don't see Free Iraqis killing themselves. Life is precious to them.

Um, hey bud who's that directed toward?

I argee with u CAM US and england should not be in the middle east just for the oil. There was no threat from the middle east. BUT US made AN EXCUSE TO ATTACK AFTER THE 9/11. AND HOW DID THEY NO IT WAS THEM!!!!

For u no it could of been Iran, or countrys around Israil. Not afgan.

superfly_cox wrote:

awaiting conspiracy theorists claiming it was a covert US op to eliminate trouble making parliamentarians...

HAHA you made my day man

CameronPoe wrote:

No links as yet but I'd just like to say:

What the fuck are the 21,000 extra troops in Baghdad doing if they can't even protect the fucking parliament building!!!!???!??!??!???!??!

Not to mention the main bridge being blown up this morning....?

I could swear I heard champagne corks popping as I read this.

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

No links as yet but I'd just like to say:

What the fuck are the 21,000 extra troops in Baghdad doing if they can't even protect the fucking parliament building!!!!???!??!??!???!??!

Not to mention the main bridge being blown up this morning....?

I could swear I heard champagne corks popping as I read this.

Hey, whatever it is to teach America a lesson so that never engage in a " war of choice " again.


Funny this is, opinions are like assholes. And a whole bunch of people believed that going to Iraq was the right thing to do.

CameronPoe wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

They got a bomb in, didn't look like a big one, but it made you happy I can see.
Obviously your on their side but don't think they wouldn't saw your head off given the chance. You post your distaste and contempt for any kind of religious faith constantly. They would un-man you with the same glee that you cheer there murders.  Now tell me this isn't so. Lets see what good it does them. Once people got a taste of freedom you cant take it away too easy. Desperate measures from desperate men. You don't see Free Iraqis killing themselves. Life is precious to them.

LOL. I would direct you to my post 'Neo-Cons: Allies of Terrorism'. You are incredibly incorrect. The US shouldn't be in the middle east - that I believe - but I would never cheer deaths resulting from an act of terrorism. I view your post as a personal attack.

Also, wtf is 'freedom' in a specifically Iraqi context? Define it for me...

Hmmmmmmm, apparently, I am not the only one on this forum that reads your posts like you favor coalition failure Cam, maybe you need to re-evaluate your approach. Your posts smack a little too much like those of bubbalo's.

The threads that you started about neo-cons being blamed for terrorism is cool.  What pissed you off more, the fact that you can't defend your position that you cheer for US failure in the ME or the fact that I called you on it??

ATG wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

No links as yet but I'd just like to say:

What the fuck are the 21,000 extra troops in Baghdad doing if they can't even protect the fucking parliament building!!!!???!??!??!???!??!

Not to mention the main bridge being blown up this morning....?

I could swear I heard champagne corks popping as I read this.

Hey, whatever it is to teach America a lesson so that never engage in a " war of choice " again.


Funny this is, opinions are like assholes. And a whole bunch of people believed that going to Iraq was the right thing to do.

Are you suprised?  You were/are constantly bombarded buy your media and Goverment about Iraq and as Joseph Goebbels put it "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it".

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/joseph_goebbels/

Last edited by m3thod (2007-04-14 20:32:57)

theDude5B wrote:

I think it was a covert US op to eliminate trouble making parlimentarians

I think it was the bloody Irish Republican Army. Damn you Gerry Adams.

m3thod wrote:

lowing wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Are you suprised?  You were/are constantly bombarded buy your media and Goverment about Iraq and as Joseph Goebbels put it "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it".

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/joseph_goebbels/

Yes, we are all blinded by the light of our press and govt. We obey, we do not think for our selves, we have no rights but to listen and obey. Time for you to get over yourselves.

You are making accusations about the country that has freedom of speech at the core of our values, not to mention WE INVENTED the fucking information highway that you enjoy to try and tell US that we are kept in the dark and feed nothing but shit.

But to answer your question, no ,I am not surprised that I thought I heard champagne corks popping at the news of another US setback.

I wonder if Camronpoe will make yet another appearance on Al-Jeezera, ( the icon of journalistic integrity) and discuss the event.

Please.  Don't give me that constitutional baloney. Your core values have long since been discarded in the desperate attainment of international supremacy.  Go against the Government or country and you're labeled unpatriotic and ruined.  You're fed shit constantly and consistently....its why there was some ridiculous percentage figure supporting the Iraq war, yeah we all know how well that turned out.

Yeah i know who invented the fucking Internet, I'm a IT consultant I'll probably know a lot more about its roots than you but more to the point? Yeah what is your point?  That you gave the rest of the world the Interwebz? Thanks! Still doesn't mean it cant be censored, filtered and manipulated just like every other medium.

People don't like how your country is run.  So they rejoice at it's failures.  Sad but true.  Get over it.

Hats off to you M3thod, at least you will finally just come right out and admit it. Instead of tap dancing like a fool searching for just the right amount of PC. Honesty and consistancy is all I have given in these forums and all I have ever asked in return....Now TRUE dialog can resume........... +1

Last edited by lowing (2007-04-15 06:57:48)

CameronPoe wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

They got a bomb in, didn't look like a big one, but it made you happy I can see.
Obviously your on their side but don't think they wouldn't saw your head off given the chance. You post your distaste and contempt for any kind of religious faith constantly. They would un-man you with the same glee that you cheer there murders.  Now tell me this isn't so. Lets see what good it does them. Once people got a taste of freedom you cant take it away too easy. Desperate measures from desperate men. You don't see Free Iraqis killing themselves. Life is precious to them.

LOL. I would direct you to my post 'Neo-Cons: Allies of Terrorism'. You are incredibly incorrect. The US shouldn't be in the middle east - that I believe - but I would never cheer deaths resulting from an act of terrorism. I view your post as a personal attack.

Also, wtf is 'freedom' in a specifically Iraqi context? Define it for me...

Unfortunately You are incorrect in the false assumption you decide who is correct or in correct.
Do you dispute the fact that you are not the proctor ?

Its to late to decide who should and should not be involved in the middle east.
You are aware how long ago it was that Europe got involved there.
You must also be aware a lot of our involvement and inroads was to counter the USSR moves in the region.
They were a bigger threat.
Had we abstained and let The USSR have a free hand there it would have been of no great service to the people there.
I notice you side stepped my other observations.

Freedom:  Vote, Protest, Free speech and they are allowed to Keep and Bear Arms,
so it seems they are a few steps up from you. Sorry.

In my opinion, Your grasp of the issue, though impressive to the very young is limited and provincial in scope and your sense of moral superiority is as transparent as it is miss placed.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Unfortunately You are incorrect in the false assumption you decide who is correct or in correct.
Do you dispute the fact that you are not the proctor ?

Its to late to decide who should and should not be involved in the middle east.
You are aware how long ago it was that Europe got involved there.
You must also be aware a lot of our involvement and inroads was to counter the USSR moves in the region.
They were a bigger threat.
Had we abstained and let The USSR have a free hand there it would have been of no great service to the people there.
I notice you side stepped my other observations.

Freedom:  Vote, Protest, Free speech and they are allowed to Keep and Bear Arms,
so it seems they are a few steps up from you. Sorry.

In my opinion, Your grasp of the issue, though impressive to the very young is limited and provincial in scope and your sense of moral superiority is as transparent as it is miss placed.

I'm an isolationist. The victory over the threat of communism occurred nearly twenty years ago. Until then isolationism was not an option. Two major powers at polar opposite extremes of the political spectrum were battling to rule all. All legacy issues should have been cleared up by now. Interference in the political systems of other peoples is not fair and is now unnecessary. The West won. All major threats can now be contained given the fact only one superpower was left standing. The interference in the politics of other countries that the US (and other western countries) indulge in is far from principled. It is often extremely hypocritical in the way it conducts its international affairs. Personally I do not condone getting ahead by exploiting others or interfering in their affairs. That is upsetting the true ethos of free market capitalism by stacking the odds in favour of who has the biggest gun or who is the most unscrupulous: destined to lead to injustice.

The Iraqis should have the freedom to point their guns at each other, say 'I'm a Kurd from Kurdistan' or 'I'm a Shia from Basrastan' or 'I'm a Sunni from Baghdadistan' (apparently the general feeling in the country), they should have the freedom to say 'We don't want US troops here anymore' (apparently the prevalent mood in the country), they should have the freedom to say 'We want to ally with Iran' (apparently the mood amongst Sh'ias) - if the 'freedom' of which you speak was granted to them.

If the US had 'given democracy' to Iraq or 'gives' it to any other middle eastern nation then you can expect a raft of vehemently anti-US governments. That's why the US supports what are effectively dictators in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. I just love the way you can speak of 'freedom' and remain blind to the fact that a) they hate you and b) you're being hypocritical. It's funny how you speak of free speech when the US in fact banned several newspapers when they invaded and actually bombed Al Jazeera reporters whose co-ordinates they were given so as to ensure they would not be bombed. Your blindness to your own flaws is amazing.

The cold war is over son. Get over it.

Here's your fucking freedom for you! - http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,, … 90,00.html

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-04-15 13:36:13)