sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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The following is a list of questions that appear frequently in Talk Origins Archive.

Q: I thought evolution was just a theory. Why do you call it a fact?
A: Biological evolution is a change in the genetic characteristics of a population over time. That this happens is a fact. Biological evolution also refers to the common descent of living organisms from shared ancestors. The evidence for historical evolution -- genetic, fossil, anatomical, etc. -- is so overwhelming that it is also considered a fact. The theory of evolution describes the mechanisms that cause evolution. So evolution is both a fact and a theory. See the Evolution is a Fact and a Theory FAQ, the Introduction to Evolutionary Biology FAQ and the Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution FAQ: Evolution is Only a theory.

Q: Don't you have to be an atheist to accept evolution?
A: No. Many people of Christian and other faiths accept evolution as the scientific explanation for biodiversity. See the God and Evolution FAQ and the Interpretations of Genesis FAQ.

Q: Isn't evolution just an unfalsifiable tautology?
A: No. Evolutionary theory is in exactly the same condition as any other valid scientific theory, and many criticisms of it that rely on philosophy are misguided. See the Evolution and Philosophy FAQ.

Q: If evolution is true, then why are there so many gaps in the fossil record? Shouldn't there be more transitional fossils?
A: Due to the rarity of preservation and the likelihood that speciation occurs in small populations during geologically short periods of time, transitions between species are uncommon in the fossil record. Transitions at higher taxonomic levels, however, are abundant. See the Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ, the Fossil Hominids FAQ, 29 Evidences for Macroevolution: Intermediate and Transitional Forms, the Punctuated Equilibria FAQ, and the February 1998 Post of the Month Missing links still missing!?.

Q: No one has ever directly observed evolution happening, so how do you know it's true?
A: Evolution has been observed, both directly and indirectly. It is true. See the Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution FAQ: Evolution Has Never Been Observed and 29 Evidences for Macroevolution.

Q: Then why has no one ever seen a new species appear?
A: Speciation has been observed, both in the laboratory and in nature. See the Observed Instances of Speciation FAQ and another FAQ listing some more observed speciation events.

Q: Doesn't the perfection of the human body prove Creation?
A: No. In fact, humans (and other animals) have many suboptimal characteristics. See the Evidence for Jury-Rigged Design in Nature FAQ.

Q:  According to evolution, the diversity of life is a result of chance occurrence. Doesn't that make evolution wildly improbable?
A: Evolution is not simply a result of random chance. It is also a result of non-random selection. See the Evolution and Chance FAQ and the Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution FAQ: Evolution Proceeds by Random Chance.

Q: Doesn't evolution violate the second law of thermodynamics? After all, order cannot come from disorder.
A: Evolution does not violate the second law of thermodynamics. Order emerges from disorder all the time. Snowflakes form, trees grow, and embryos develop, etc. See the Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution, and Probability FAQs and the Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution FAQ: Evolution Violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Q: Didn't Darwin renounce evolution on his deathbed?
A: The Darwin deathbed story is false. And in any case, it is irrelevant. A scientific theory stands or falls according to how well it is supported by the facts, not according to who believes it. See the Lady Hope Story FAQ.

Q: How do you know the earth is really old? Lots of evidence says it's young.
A: According to numerous, independent dating methods, the earth is known to be approximately 4.5 billion years old. Most young-earth arguments rely on inappropriate extrapolations from a few carefully selected and often erroneous data points. See the Age of the Earth FAQ and the Talk.Origins Archive's Young Earth FAQs.

Q: But radiometric dating methods rely on the assumptions of non-contamination and constant rates of decay. What if these assumptions are wrong?
A: Radiometric isochron dating techniques reveal whether contamination has occurred, while numerous theoretical calculations, experiments, and astronomical observations support the notion that decay rates are constant. See the Isochron Dating FAQ and the Age of the Earth FAQ.

Q: I heard that the speed of light has changed a lot. This means that light from galaxies billions of light years away might not really be billions of years old. Is this true?
A: Barry Setterfield's hypothesis of a decay in the speed of light was based on flawed extrapolations from inaccurate measurements, many of which were taken hundreds of years ago. See the C-Decay FAQ.

Q: If Earth is so old, doesn't that mean Earth's decaying magnetic field would have been unacceptably high at one time?
A: No. The Earth's magnetic field is known to have varied in intensity and reversed in polarity numerous times throughout the planet's history. See the Alleged Decay of the Earth's Magnetic Field FAQ.

Q: Isn't the fossil record a result of the global flood described in the Book of Genesis?
A: No. A global flood cannot explain the sorting of fossils observed in the geological record. This was recognized even prior to the proposal of evolutionary theory. See the Problems with a Global Flood FAQ, the April 2002 Post of the Month A Flood Geologist Recants and the Talk.Origins Archive's Flood Geology FAQs.

Q: What about those fossils that cut through multiple layers?
A: They have natural explanations: tree-roots that grew into soft, underlying layers of clay, and fossils found in inclined strata. They can also be observed forming in modern environments. See the "Polystrate" Fossils FAQ.

Q: What about those human footprints that appear next to dinosaur footprints?
A: The "man-tracks" of the Paluxy Riverbed in Glen Rose, Texas were not man tracks at all. Some were eroded dinosaur tracks, and others were human carvings. See the The Texas Dinosaur/"Man Track" Controversy FAQ.

Q: Didn't they find Noah's Ark? I saw something on TV about this.
A: The producers of America's 1993 CBS television show, "The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark," were hoaxed. Other ark discovery claims have not been substantiated. See the Sun Pictures and the Noah's Ark Hoax FAQ.

Q: The odds against a simple cell coming into being without divine intervention are staggering.
A: And irrelevant. Scientists don't claim that cells came into being through random processes. They are thought to have evolved from more primitive precursors. See the Probability of Abiogenesis FAQs.

Q: Creationists are qualified and honest scientists. How can they be wrong?
A: The quality of an argument is not determined by the credentials of its author. Even if it was, a number of well-known creationists have questionable credentials. Furthermore, many creationists have engaged in dishonest tactics like quoting out of context or making up references. See the Suspicious Creationist Credentials FAQ, the Talk.Origins Archive's Creationism FAQs, Quotations and Misquotations and Creationist Arguments: Misquotes.

Q: What about Immanuel Velikovsky? Didn't he show that Earth has experienced a lot of major catastrophes?
A: No, he simply claimed that certain written legends must have described real events. See the Talk.Origins Archive's Catastrophism FAQs and the Velikovsky FAQ.

Q: Where can I find more material on the Creation/Evolution debate?
A: Contact the National Center for Science Education [off site], or see the Talk.Origins Archive and its "Other links" page. Also see the talk.origins Book Recommendations FAQ and the [url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/organizations/Creation/Evolution Organizations FAQ.[/url]Q: What about "intelligent design"?
A: "Intelligent design" (ID) advocates often use the very same arguments that the young-earth creationists have used in the past. The Archive does have some FAQs on Behe's "irreducible complexity", Jonathan Wells's "icons of evolution", and Dembski's "specified complexity" (see questions below). Further essays on "intelligent design" can be found on our sister site, TalkDesign [off site], and at TalkReason [off site]. "The Quixotic Message," or "No Free Hunch" [off site] deals with ID claims in a humorous manner.

Q: Doesn't irreducible complexity (as described in Behe's Darwin's Black Box) shown that some biomechanical systems could not evolve gradually, but must have all their parts created at once?
A: Behe's "irreducible complexity" considers only an unrealistically simplistic model of evolution. Evolutionary mechanisms that Behe doesn't consider, such as functional change and coevolution, make irreducible complexity not only possible, but expected. See Irreducible Complexity and Michael Behe FAQs and Irreducible Complexity Demystified [off site].

Q: Hasn't Jonathan Wells shown that Darwinist claims about such "icons of evolution" as the peppered moth, Haeckel's embryos, and Darwin's finches have been disproven? If so, why are these claims still found in biology textbooks?
A: Scientists have been complaining for decades about the poor quality of science instruction in school and about the content of science textbooks. However, Dr. Wells's arguments include many false statements, many misunderstandings of the science involved, and many misunderstandings of the significance of the subjects that he pontificates on. See the Icons of Evolution FAQs and The Talented Mr. Wells [PDF format, off site].

Q: Doesn't William Dembski's "specified complexity" mean that an intelligent designer had to be responsible for the observed complexity and diversity of living things?
A: The sophistication of Dembski's arguments is superficial. One of the most thorough examinations of Dembski's ideas is available on the Archive. See: Not a Free Lunch But a Box of Chocolates, A Presentation Without Arguments [off site], Mr. Dembski's Compass [off site] and The AntiEvolutionists: William A. Dembski [off site].

Q: Isn't it true that scientists are abandoning evolution?
A: That is not even remotely true. See: The Imminent Demise of Evolution: The Longest Running Falsehood in Creationism [off site], Project Steve: Humorous Testing of the Scientific Attitudes Toward "Intelligent Design," and Amicus Curiae Brief of 72 Nobel Laureates.

Q: If evolution is true, why don't you take Dr. Kent Hovind's $250,000 challenge and make yourself rich?
A: Kent Hovind's $250,000 challenge is a propaganda ploy and nothing more, rather like the "doctorate" Hovind claims from Patriot University. See: Kent Hovind FAQs: Examining "Dr. Dino".

Q: Don't you know that the earth is round?
A: Yes, we do. We keep a copy of the "International Flat Earth Society" flyer here to document that real people in modern times do assert that the earth is flat, not because we think the earth is flat See: Documenting the Existence of "The International Flat Earth Society".

Q: Where can I learn more about evolution?
A: You might start with the talk.origins FAQs. If, however, you want a thorough understanding of evolution, a library would be a more appropriate place to look. The following FAQs provide some good references: the Creation/Evolution Reading List, the Introduction to Evolutionary Biology FAQ, the "What is Evolution?" FAQ, and the Talk.Origins Archive's Evolution FAQs.

Q: Isn't the Talk.Origins Archive just some website that has no particular credibility? Those FAQs and essays aren't peer-reviewed, and many are written by interested laymen rather than specialists, so they can be ignored, right?
A: We encourage readers not to take our word on the issues, but rather to look at the primary literature and evaluate the evidence. While materials on the Archive have not necessarily been subjected to formal peer-review, many have been subjected to several cycles of commentary in the newsgroup prior to being added to the Archive. Most of our materials provide links and/or bibliographic references to enable the reader to evaluate the evidence for themselves. While anyone can decide to ignore our materials, the Archive has been recognized as a valuable online resource by many well-known groups, magazines, and individuals. Further, a number of college courses have chosen to use materials from the Archive in their coursework. See: Awards, Honors, and Favorable Notices for The Talk.Origins Archive.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6775|Argentina
Where are all those Creationists?  Please feel free to disprove anything posted here.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6734

sergeriver wrote:

Where are all those Creationists?  Please feel free to disprove anything posted here.
Faith > you. Logical explaination, EXPLAIN HOW TEH UNIVERSE WAS CREATED! God did it, that's the only logical reason.

On to serious matters, nice post serge.
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sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6775|Argentina

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Where are all those Creationists?  Please feel free to disprove anything posted here.
Faith > you. Logical explaination, EXPLAIN HOW TEH UNIVERSE WAS CREATED! God did it, that's the only logical reason.

On to serious matters, nice post serge.
Thanks.
I worried first with your sarcastic statement, I know you believe in "real" science.
mikeyb118
Evil Overlord
+76|6616|S.C.
righthandfork only posts in his topics so far. Maybe this will lure him out.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6784|UK

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Where are all those Creationists?  Please feel free to disprove anything posted here.
Faith > you. Logical explaination, EXPLAIN HOW TEH UNIVERSE WAS CREATED! God did it, that's the only logical reason.

On to serious matters, nice post serge.
Actually a more logical and likely reason is the persistent universe.

Any way fuck off to the army please.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6547|Global Command
Nice work Serge.
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6585|NYC / Hamburg

oh noes, all my believes destroyed. How could you????
j/k, nice post
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6618|132 and Bush

I have stated where I stand.
However, none of that precludes the existence of a God, or the role a God may play in shaping the universe.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6775|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

I have stated where I stand.
However, none of that precludes the existence of a God, or the role a God may play in shaping the universe.
This is not directed at you anyway, but at those who love to deny Evolution without proof or logic or source or anything.

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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6618|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I have stated where I stand.
However, none of that precludes the existence of a God, or the role a God may play in shaping the universe.
This is not directed at you anyway, but at those who love to deny Evolution without proof or logic or source or anything.
It is said that hundreds of years after it was proven conclusively that the earth revolved around the Sun there were people who roamed the earth who would swear that those who preach that nonsense were tools of Satan.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6692|Canberra, AUS
I, too have stated where I stand.

My only gripe with your post is it uses just one source. Apart from that, very good.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6568|CH/BR - in UK

Love it, love all of it. Thank you very much for taking the time and posting this

-konfusion
Ottomania
Troll has returned.
+62|6539|Istanbul-Turkey
about 2nd question: dont christians believe god?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6775|Argentina

Spark wrote:

I, too have stated where I stand.

My only gripe with your post is it uses just one source. Apart from that, very good.
I took the time to read this site and most of the links are correct.  Besides, it is not just one source, but a compilation of info gathered by several people.
Ottomania
Troll has returned.
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sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I have stated where I stand.
However, none of that precludes the existence of a God, or the role a God may play in shaping the universe.
This is not directed at you anyway, but at those who love to deny Evolution without proof or logic or source or anything.
we deny with faith.

faith>wrong facts.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6775|Argentina

Ottomania wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I have stated where I stand.
However, none of that precludes the existence of a God, or the role a God may play in shaping the universe.
This is not directed at you anyway, but at those who love to deny Evolution without proof or logic or source or anything.
we deny with faith.

faith>wrong facts.
Do you also deny Evolution?  You live in denial: the Armenian Genocide and Evolution, what else?  Please, provide evidence to deny the wrong facts about Evolution.  You failed when you tried to deny the Armenian Genocide, let's see how you do now.
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6568|CH/BR - in UK

Ottomania wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I have stated where I stand.
However, none of that precludes the existence of a God, or the role a God may play in shaping the universe.
This is not directed at you anyway, but at those who love to deny Evolution without proof or logic or source or anything.
we deny with faith.

faith>wrong facts.
And that is where we start having a problem with you. Because arguments out of faith make no logical sense.

-konfusion
Ottomania
Troll has returned.
+62|6539|Istanbul-Turkey
how I failed?do I changed my mind and started believing that genocide? evolution is just a silly thing for me, nothing else.I have jsut laughed when I first heard about it. damn it is my mistake to say facts. the only thing you know is similarities.

look! poecilia latipinna have 46 chromosemes! omG!!11 they come from same ancestor with humans?

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sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6775|Argentina

Ottomania wrote:

how I failed?do I changed my mind and started believing that genocide? evolution is just a silly thing for me, nothing else.I have jsut laughed when I first heard about it. damn it is my mistake to say facts.
Regarding the Genocide you failed as a person.  Regarding the Evolution issue please provide facts against it.
Ottomania
Troll has returned.
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evolotion proved what??
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6775|Argentina

Ottomania wrote:

evolotion proved what??
That's why I posted this thread, coz in this century there are persons like you that don't know how Evolution works.  Do you also believe that the Earth is 10.000 years old?  Or that it's flat?
Read the OP and deny anything from that.

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Ottomania
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its not possible for IC to created by evolution, such a complex mechanism thats must have to be designed.
Ottomania
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"An irreducibly complex system cannot be produced directly
(that is, by continuously improving the initial function, which continues to work by the same mechanism)
by slight, successive modifications of a precursor system
because any precursor to an irreducibly complex system that is missing a part is by definition nonfunctional."
The last part of the sentence, "...because any precursor to an irreducibly complex system that is missing a part is by definition nonfunctional." is why we should agree to the rest of the sentence. There are some problems:

The first part of the sentence refers to slight changes. Removing a whole part is a major change;
this is a major 'disconnect' between the parts of Behe's argument.
It is not true that a precursor missing a part must be nonfunctional. It need only lack the function we specified. Even a single protein does something.
The actual precursor may have had more parts, not fewer.
If the individual parts evolve, the precursor may have had the same number of parts, not yet codependent. We will learn more about this possibility shortly.

your eye will not work even without a missing part. evolution doesnt happened suddenly, so existence of eye will not be possible by evolution.

Last edited by Ottomania (2007-04-08 07:10:05)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6775|Argentina

Ottomania wrote:

its not possible for IC to created by evolution, such a complex mechanism thats must have to be designed.
That's not a proof, that's denial.  When you have an alternative theory please come and enlighten us.

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