usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6424|Columbus, Ohio
Go get your people.  Don't let them rot there for a year.
Eugefunk84
Member
+48|6591
honestly, if the war in iraq wasnt going on, there would be a war. But right now, the militaries of the US and UK are stretched thin and they cant handle a conflict with Iran. There will be a negotiation, and they sailors will be returned safely.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6424|Columbus, Ohio
I wonder how many of you would be patient if you were locked in a prison inside Iran.

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2007-03-28 21:29:19)

Toxicseagull
Member
+10|6303|York
you cant send a carrier on its own. most of those mothballed have been support ships and destroyers, whilst a lot are now under full compliment due to the cut backs in personnel. my point is Britain should realise without proper backing the navy is a lame duck, and the last 10 labour years have been a time of idleness and cutting costs for the navy in particular.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6505453.stm

this is taking longer than it should, its over a week and we haven't even met our troops. it took Blair 4 days to even say anything publicly, such a weak government its embarrassing
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6347|Éire
Iran are backing down even further today, looks like they're going to let the British visit and inspect the captives.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 … 33,00.html (Sky news ran this this morning too but I can't find a link from them).

They're still going to act tough until the whole thing plays out but their stance is definitely softening. They kind of blew it when they gave the British those dumb ass first set of co-ordinates!
superfly_cox
soup fly mod
+717|6838

So now Britain must acknowledge their mistake in order to get their sailors back...

Britain says:

https://www.myspacecomedy.com/images/funny/kid-middle-finger.jpg
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6347|Éire

superfly_cox wrote:

So now Britain must acknowledge their mistake in order to get their sailors back...

Britain says:
https://www.myspacecomedy.com/images/funny/kid-middle-finger.jpg
I think that kid is Dutch, he's wearing a Feyenoord top!
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6638|SE London

Pubic wrote:

Minor correction here, Russia has three carriers also.
No they don't. They currently have 1 in service. Much bigger navy overall though.

Toxicseagull wrote:

you cant send a carrier on its own. most of those mothballed have been support ships and destroyers, whilst a lot are now under full compliment due to the cut backs in personnel. my point is Britain should realise without proper backing the navy is a lame duck, and the last 10 labour years have been a time of idleness and cutting costs for the navy in particular.
I just can't agree with that. We easily have a sufficient support fleet for both our carriers, 4 destroyers to each carrier is plenty, especially considering we are in a transitional phase with the Type 45s nearing completion so older Sheffield class destroyers are being decommissioned. We also have the 2 largest ever carriers the British navy has ever had under construction and entering service in about 5 years time. At that point we will probably have the most technologically advanced navy in the world. I don't see how you can fault the government for their naval spending. There is plenty to do the jobs at hand and plenty more on the way, spending any more on it would be foolish.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6638|SE London

superfly_cox wrote:

So now Britain must acknowledge their mistake in order to get their sailors back...

Britain says:

http://www.myspacecomedy.com/images/fun … finger.jpg
What mistake?
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6502|The Land of Scott Walker

Bertster7 wrote:

superfly_cox wrote:

So now Britain must acknowledge their mistake in order to get their sailors back...

Britain says:

http://www.myspacecomedy.com/images/fun … finger.jpg
What mistake?
I was wondering the same.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|6799|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

Stingray24 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

superfly_cox wrote:

So now Britain must acknowledge their mistake in order to get their sailors back...

Britain says:

http://www.myspacecomedy.com/images/fun … finger.jpg
What mistake?
I was wondering the same.
That they were in Iranian territorial waters (as they claim)
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6678|London, England
What annoys me is that if we were in Iraqi waters how the hell did they manage to arrest some of our troops. Sneaky Iranian tactics or Incompetence by our Navy (Which has let the people who got arrested down). I'm hoping it's the first one. It's easier to swallow then thinking our guys messed up and didn't notice Iranian gunboats 1.7Nm into Iraqi waters...
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6638|SE London

IG-Calibre wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

What mistake?
I was wondering the same.
That they were in Iranian territorial waters (as they claim)
They weren't though, quite clearly.

Mekstizzle wrote:

What annoys me is that if we were in Iraqi waters how the hell did they manage to arrest some of our troops. Sneaky Iranian tactics or Incompetence by our Navy (Which has let the people who got arrested down). I'm hoping it's the first one. It's easier to swallow then thinking our guys messed up and didn't notice Iranian gunboats 1.7Nm into Iraqi waters...
Not really either.
They were well out of visual range and radar would be useless in such a busy waterway (for such a large country Iraqs coastline is tiny and gets very busy).

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-03-29 08:01:25)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6586|Global Command

Mekstizzle wrote:

What annoys me is that if we were in Iraqi waters how the hell did they manage to arrest some of our troops. Sneaky Iranian tactics or Incompetence by our Navy (Which has let the people who got arrested down). I'm hoping it's the first one. It's easier to swallow then thinking our guys messed up and didn't notice Iranian gunboats 1.7Nm into Iraqi waters...
Ever heard of the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
Toxicseagull
Member
+10|6303|York
Mek, apparently the cumberland asked for permission to fire. MoD said no.

Update =
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk/6506361.stm

release in doubt due to "bad attitude" by Britain, and consular visit never happened.

@bert, those large carriers are to replace the current ones. and are in doubt due to budget restrictions, long term funding has been cut. thus why less of the type 45 are being built as well. its just my opinion labour have done bad in respect to long term funding for projects, reduction of personnel and reduction of size of the forces whilst simultaneously engaging us in more conflict around the world. i also think mothballing is a appalling idea as we know how quickly things like this can go down the shitter.
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6411

Eugefunk84 wrote:

honestly, if the war in iraq wasnt going on, there would be a war. But right now, the militaries of the US and UK are stretched thin and they cant handle a conflict with Iran. There will be a negotiation, and they sailors will be returned safely.
our Milliatary is not streached thin we could deal with this easy. Handle Iran ? please. ! its not our problem and GB may be handleing it Through Diplomacy. Who knows. they don't exactly keep us posted do they ?
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|6823|Cambridge (UK)

usmarine2007 wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Everyone that's saying we should send the SAS in: Do you want to think about what you're saying for one moment here. You're suggesting we send troops in (which is an act of war) to a country that openly admits to having a nuke program?
No No.  The nukes are for peaceful power production.
Oh, yes. Of course it is.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6424|Columbus, Ohio
Go get your fucking people.  Tony said today he would not negotiate with Iran.  So what is the point of all this BS?  Kick the tires and light the fires my UK friends.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6678|London, England
I was thinking this is ridiculous and that this is dragging on now and that we should do military action (preferabley the SAS - infact they're probably already somewhere in Iran)

Then i thought "hang on, what if the roles were reversed". The Iranian marines or w/e we would capture in our waters would never see daylight again. They'd be shipped off to Guantanamo faster than you could say America's bitch. Still, wasn't it worse when UK soldiers were arrested in 2004? I swear that was barely televised or even mentioned. Read it up, Iran took the piss more that time imo.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6703

usmarine2007 wrote:

Go get your fucking people.  Tony said today he would not negotiate with Iran.  So what is the point of all this BS?  Kick the tires and light the fires my UK friends.
Nobody likes war.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6710

Mekstizzle wrote:

Then i thought "hang on, what if the roles were reversed". The Iranian marines or w/e we would capture in our waters would never see daylight again. They'd be shipped off to Guantanamo faster than you could say America's bitch.
I reckon it's got to go on at least a few weeks because as we learnt from Gitmo, sleep deprivation, extreme noise and heat, and 24 hour confinement are all legitimate and non-torturous tactics which are fully allowed and even encouraged under international law....apparently... or international law doesn't matter if you accuse someone of spying or terrorising people or something.... never quite did clear that one up....

Anyway, unfortunately these tactics take longer to effectively extract a full confession than the more traditional methods of power tools, bamboo slivers and car batteries.... so it might be a little while yet....
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6347|Éire

usmarine2007 wrote:

Go get your fucking people.  Tony said today he would not negotiate with Iran.  So what is the point of all this BS?  Kick the tires and light the fires my UK friends.
Nobody has been harmed yet, why be so hasty to rush into conflict? Once again I shall mention Israel's ultimately disastrous campaign against Lebanon as a comparison ...they 'kicked ass' yes but it cost a shitload of cash, they lost men and they never got their original hostage back.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6424|Columbus, Ohio

Braddock wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Go get your fucking people.  Tony said today he would not negotiate with Iran.  So what is the point of all this BS?  Kick the tires and light the fires my UK friends.
Nobody has been harmed yet, why be so hasty to rush into conflict? Once again I shall mention Israel's ultimately disastrous campaign against Lebanon as a comparison ...they 'kicked ass' yes but it cost a shitload of cash, they lost men and they never got their original hostage back.
Tony said he would not negotiate.  Well, what else is there?
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6347|Éire

usmarine2007 wrote:

Tony said he would not negotiate.  Well, what else is there?
Tony's just acting tough, same as the Iranians. The US are still very quiet on this, my guess is as soon as the US come out with a definitive view on the situation that will be the green light for tough action if it's needed in the end.

By 'not negotiating' I presume Tony means first cutting off Iran on a trading and economic level and then applying increasing pressure on the international stage to do likewise as he seems to be doing. Not negotiating doesn't mean war ...the US have been 'not negotiating' with Cuba for years.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6823|UK

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Go get your fucking people.  Tony said today he would not negotiate with Iran.  So what is the point of all this BS?  Kick the tires and light the fires my UK friends.
Nobody likes war.
Wrong! Alot of Yanks on this forum do. They bum guns for a living,

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