I love it this whole paragraph, and this sentence " Achievement and hard work are not rewarded in a liberal world." is the only thing challenged. Must mean you can't really challenge the rest or what??lowing wrote:
Liberals feel the govt. should provide all the necessities of life and that everyone should be equal and void of any personal responsibility for themselves and their choices. Achievement and hard work are not rewarded in a liberal world. Individuality must not be allowed. All of this so we do not take the risk of someone having something they earned, without sharing it with someone who didn't.
Liberals are not interested in earning anything for themselves, they are only interested in sharing what you have earned, with them.
Other than that I love them.
I could easily challenge it but I can't be bothered. You're describing a communist not a liberal for a start...lowing wrote:
I love it this whole paragraph, and this sentence " Achievement and hard work are not rewarded in a liberal world." is the only thing challenged. Must mean you can't really challenge the rest or what??lowing wrote:
Liberals feel the govt. should provide all the necessities of life and that everyone should be equal and void of any personal responsibility for themselves and their choices. Achievement and hard work are not rewarded in a liberal world. Individuality must not be allowed. All of this so we do not take the risk of someone having something they earned, without sharing it with someone who didn't.
Liberals are not interested in earning anything for themselves, they are only interested in sharing what you have earned, with them.
Other than that I love them.
lol, Difference??CameronPoe wrote:
I could easily challenge it but I can't be bothered. You're describing a communist not a liberal for a start...lowing wrote:
I love it this whole paragraph, and this sentence " Achievement and hard work are not rewarded in a liberal world." is the only thing challenged. Must mean you can't really challenge the rest or what??lowing wrote:
Liberals feel the govt. should provide all the necessities of life and that everyone should be equal and void of any personal responsibility for themselves and their choices. Achievement and hard work are not rewarded in a liberal world. Individuality must not be allowed. All of this so we do not take the risk of someone having something they earned, without sharing it with someone who didn't.
Liberals are not interested in earning anything for themselves, they are only interested in sharing what you have earned, with them.
Other than that I love them.
liberals....work for the common good of the collective
socialist......work for the common good of the collective
communist......work for the common good of the collective
Wrong! Liberals & Socialists: work primarily for oneself and ones own good and secondarily for the common good of the collective (submitting a proportion of ones earnings into the common pot).lowing wrote:
lol, Difference??CameronPoe wrote:
I could easily challenge it but I can't be bothered. You're describing a communist not a liberal for a start...lowing wrote:
I love it this whole paragraph, and this sentence " Achievement and hard work are not rewarded in a liberal world." is the only thing challenged. Must mean you can't really challenge the rest or what??
liberals....work for the common good of the collective
socialist......work for the common good of the collective
communist......work for the common good of the collective
Liberals tend to lean toward Socialism, and Communism is a form of Socialism, your point?
And I could just as easily call you Hitler because you're Conservative and Conseratives lean toward Totalitarianism, and Fascism is a form of Totalitarianism.
And I could just as easily call you Hitler because you're Conservative and Conseratives lean toward Totalitarianism, and Fascism is a form of Totalitarianism.
communism is a form of socialismtghpieman wrote:
yes, i have noticed this myself, example i would say that i am a socialist and i would understand if people thought that i was a bit extreme and i can imagne that i a lot of people would see my views as communist; and it is important for people to recognise the difference between the two ideologies.Braddock wrote:
Many people in here can't actually distinguish between Socialism and Communism.
Well, the conservative label has been put on me in this forum, if anything I am closest to libertarian. Anyway, conservatives lean more toward smaller govt. not bigger govt.Bubbalo wrote:
Liberals tend to lean toward Socialism, and Communism is a form of Socialism, your point?
And I could just as easily call you Hitler because you're Conservative and Conseratives lean toward Totalitarianism, and Fascism is a form of Totalitarianism.
maybe i shoulda read more b4 i posted thisSmitty5613 wrote:
communism is a form of socialismtghpieman wrote:
yes, i have noticed this myself, example i would say that i am a socialist and i would understand if people thought that i was a bit extreme and i can imagne that i a lot of people would see my views as communist; and it is important for people to recognise the difference between the two ideologies.Braddock wrote:
Many people in here can't actually distinguish between Socialism and Communism.
So liberals and socialists are pretty much the same. Yet, I am also being told in this same thread that socialism is a form of communism. Confusing ain't it??CameronPoe wrote:
Wrong! Liberals & Socialists: work primarily for oneself and ones own good and secondarily for the common good of the collective (submitting a proportion of ones earnings into the common pot).lowing wrote:
lol, Difference??CameronPoe wrote:
I could easily challenge it but I can't be bothered. You're describing a communist not a liberal for a start...
liberals....work for the common good of the collective
socialist......work for the common good of the collective
communist......work for the common good of the collective
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ya conservative is right wing, and liberal is left wing... on the far right we have anarchy, on the far left we have communism.. thats all for today class, your dismissedlowing wrote:
Well, the conservative label has been put on me in this forum, if anything I am closest to libertarian. Anyway, conservatives lean more toward smaller govt. not bigger govt.Bubbalo wrote:
Liberals tend to lean toward Socialism, and Communism is a form of Socialism, your point?
And I could just as easily call you Hitler because you're Conservative and Conseratives lean toward Totalitarianism, and Fascism is a form of Totalitarianism.
Which is a Liberal viewpoint.lowing wrote:
Well, the conservative label has been put on me in this forum, if anything I am closest to libertarian.
No, Conservatism encourages greater social control.lowing wrote:
Anyway, conservatives lean more toward smaller govt. not bigger govt.
go back to scholl bubbaloBubbalo wrote:
Which is a Liberal viewpoint.lowing wrote:
Well, the conservative label has been put on me in this forum, if anything I am closest to libertarian.No, Conservatism encourages greater social control.lowing wrote:
Anyway, conservatives lean more toward smaller govt. not bigger govt.
Not if you actually knew what you were talking about. One form of Socialist leaning state is the welfare state developed in Europe after WWII.lowing wrote:
So liberals and socialists are pretty much the same. Yet, I am also being told in this same thread that socialism is a form of communism. Confusing ain't it??CameronPoe wrote:
Wrong! Liberals & Socialists: work primarily for oneself and ones own good and secondarily for the common good of the collective (submitting a proportion of ones earnings into the common pot).lowing wrote:
lol, Difference??
liberals....work for the common good of the collective
socialist......work for the common good of the collective
communist......work for the common good of the collective
lol go back to scholl where u can get edumacatedSmitty5613 wrote:
go back to scholl bubbaloBubbalo wrote:
Which is a Liberal viewpoint.lowing wrote:
Well, the conservative label has been put on me in this forum, if anything I am closest to libertarian.No, Conservatism encourages greater social control.lowing wrote:
Anyway, conservatives lean more toward smaller govt. not bigger govt.
NOT HARDLY!!!!!! on both sentencesBubbalo wrote:
Which is a Liberal viewpoint.lowing wrote:
Well, the conservative label has been put on me in this forum, if anything I am closest to libertarian.No, Conservatism encourages greater social control.lowing wrote:
Anyway, conservatives lean more toward smaller govt. not bigger govt.
IT is the liberals that push for greater social control over the citizens by the govt.. Govt. sponsored medical, pharmacy, retirement etc.........
Yes. Scholls are great places. They teach people how to read good, and sometimes how to write good too.Smitty5613 wrote:
go back to scholl bubbaloBubbalo wrote:
Which is a Liberal viewpoint.lowing wrote:
Well, the conservative label has been put on me in this forum, if anything I am closest to libertarian.No, Conservatism encourages greater social control.lowing wrote:
Anyway, conservatives lean more toward smaller govt. not bigger govt.
Maybe you should find one?
Welfare state..Welfare as in.....GOVT. controlled handouts???Bubbalo wrote:
Not if you actually knew what you were talking about. One form of Socialist leaning state is the welfare state developed in Europe after WWII.lowing wrote:
So liberals and socialists are pretty much the same. Yet, I am also being told in this same thread that socialism is a form of communism. Confusing ain't it??CameronPoe wrote:
Wrong! Liberals & Socialists: work primarily for oneself and ones own good and secondarily for the common good of the collective (submitting a proportion of ones earnings into the common pot).
I would think you would need a pretty govt. to control all of that socialism. Or do the people on your planet, hand out willingly without being taxed for it??
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i love scholls, they make me edumacated, adn i cna wirte godo too!11Bubbalo wrote:
Yes. Scholls are great places. They teach people how to read good, and sometimes how to write good too.Smitty5613 wrote:
go back to scholl bubbaloBubbalo wrote:
Which is a Liberal viewpoint.lowing wrote:
Well, the conservative label has been put on me in this forum, if anything I am closest to libertarian.
No, Conservatism encourages greater social control.
Maybe you should find one?
Government funding isn't social control. The definition of Liberal is left leaning: tends toward Anarchism, which is the absence of government. Just because you don't like the terms, or you think a particular party is Liberal and use their actions to define Liberalism, doesn't allow you to change it.lowing wrote:
NOT HARDLY!!!!!! on both sentencesBubbalo wrote:
Which is a Liberal viewpoint.lowing wrote:
Well, the conservative label has been put on me in this forum, if anything I am closest to libertarian.No, Conservatism encourages greater social control.lowing wrote:
Anyway, conservatives lean more toward smaller govt. not bigger govt.
IT is the liberals that push for greater social control over the citizens by the govt.. Govt. sponsored medical, pharmacy, retirement etc.........
See, this is where you and I have our rift bubbalo....I don't care what the text book definition is anymore. I would have voted for FDR and JFK all day long............. The liberals of today are NOT following the definition that you have spelled out.Bubbalo wrote:
Government funding isn't social control. The definition of Liberal is left leaning: tends toward Anarchism, which is the absence of government. Just because you don't like the terms, or you think a particular party is Liberal and use their actions to define Liberalism, doesn't allow you to change it.lowing wrote:
NOT HARDLY!!!!!! on both sentencesBubbalo wrote:
Which is a Liberal viewpoint.
No, Conservatism encourages greater social control.
IT is the liberals that push for greater social control over the citizens by the govt.. Govt. sponsored medical, pharmacy, retirement etc.........
AND........govt funding, IE taxpayer funded IS social control........If I have to go to on GOVT> mediccal coverage that is control..If I have t ocontribution to govt. retirement Social Security..THAT is govt. control.
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But you don't get it...............
Liberalism is the left viewpoint.
Conservatism is the right viewpoint.
Therefore, the textbook definition doesn't change, what changes is who's in what camp.
Liberalism is the left viewpoint.
Conservatism is the right viewpoint.
Therefore, the textbook definition doesn't change, what changes is who's in what camp.
They're all just labels. When you begin to use labels you begin to lose the fact that everyone is an individual and start to generalise. It's not very helpful to use labels, the term liberal has become bastardised and largely meaningless such is the extent of its mis-use.lowing wrote:
So liberals and socialists are pretty much the same. Yet, I am also being told in this same thread that socialism is a form of communism. Confusing ain't it??CameronPoe wrote:
Wrong! Liberals & Socialists: work primarily for oneself and ones own good and secondarily for the common good of the collective (submitting a proportion of ones earnings into the common pot).lowing wrote:
lol, Difference??
liberals....work for the common good of the collective
socialist......work for the common good of the collective
communist......work for the common good of the collective
Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-03-26 17:24:52)
um, bubbalo, anarchism means no gov't, that would be extreme conservatism..... liberal would be leaning towards a bigger gov't such as communism... go read a little, u might learn something
OK, this I will concede.Bubbalo wrote:
But you don't get it...............
Liberalism is the left viewpoint.
Conservatism is the right viewpoint.
Therefore, the textbook definition doesn't change, what changes is who's in what camp.
Much like slang..............I follow the trends................and today, liberalism does not mean FREEDOM from govt!!