A pillar of her local community

2007-03-21 10:34:44

#1

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6958|Global Command

Or, " When a Jehovah's Witness goes bad "

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti … article.do

Spry, a pillar of her local community in Gloucestershire, staunchly denied all the claims made against her and insisted the only physical punishment she ever used was "a smack on the bottom".

Is it just me or is it routinely devoutly religious people whom commit the most heinous crimes?

Examine the Catholic church and its proven track record of sheltering and protecting child molesters.
Consider the Muslim fanatics that saw peoples heads off, or the rabid Jewish extremist who assasinate peace minded leaders.

Clearly the repressive nature of these religions is causing mental problems. Or it could be that evidence is mounting that religion is more of a catalist for evil than a force for good.
I often wonder if we would be bothering with the Middle East if our president and many others in America didn't view this conflict as Biblical.

No religion, know peace.

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2007-03-21 10:36:19

#2

Mitch: 16 more years; +877|6954|South Florida

Religion is a dictatorship

15 more years! 15 more years!

2007-03-21 10:38:55

#3

yuckfou09: hide your terrorists ^,^; +94|7105|Ft. Drum, NY

wow, gg granny

2007-03-21 10:40:28

#4

kiteboarderni: Member; +62|7109

holi shit. if that woman was in front of me now i actually think id break her face. kick the living crap out of her. see how she liked it

2007-03-21 10:44:36

#5

CoronadoSEAL: pics or it didn't happen; +207|6947|USA

i see your points, but without religion, we cannot assume we would "know peace". take military leaders for illustration, killing osama alone will not cease the fundamentals and face of terrorism. other leaders will take power and assume possibly more devastating control (the face of osama being religion).

literally, without religion we would have no sense of right and wrong, and no people cannot live without such a sense. this is why i suggest our sense of right and wrong will be derived from some unknown (as illustrated above, osama's replacement). *thinking/confused about own statements*

2007-03-21 10:44:52

#6

Monkey Spanker: Show it to the nice monkey.; +284|6680|England

I am sickened by these people, i am not a religious person my self but to blame these religios nuts is not really correct how many non religious people abuse kids: answer we don't really know as it is never reported as "blah blah agnostic or blah blah non believer did this to child A". I am not sticking up for religion as they are in them selves abuse of peoples free will and are only a form of control for the docile masses who drink beer and watch crappy TV shows and then go to church in the belief they will go to "heaven" my arse.

But all child abusers should be put to death slowly over a course of a week or 2 so they can suffer the horror that they them selves have dished out to others.

Last edited by smuder201 (2007-03-21 10:46:01)

Quote of the year so far "Fifa 11 on the other hand... shiny things for mongos "-mtb0minime

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2007-03-21 10:46:21

#7

mp30: Cynicism is an art, right?; +13|7160|It Rarely Rains in Seattle

Note however that is was a fellow Jehovah's Witness that became concerned over the well-being of the children, and no place in that article, as I recall, does that woman claim to have used religious justification for her actions. Also it is rather blunt to discredit large populations because of the acts of a miniscule minority. And yes, it is a minority, for the few hundred molesters that have been unearthed in the Catholic church, we seem to have neglected the millions of other happy members of that institution. You cannot incriminate the entirety on the basis of a few insane individuals, which this woman obviously was.

Radical Islam on the other hand is a completely different matter. They justifiy all or most of their actions through the quran and whatever religious dogma they can conjure up to support such acts. That is why it should be of far greater concern in everyones eyes concerning the topic you have presented.

And what about these Jewish assassinations? I don't recall those.

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2007-03-21 10:47:22

#8

Lucien: Fantasma Parastasie; +1,451|7082

I think that the dracula special would do her nicely (and no, not vampires)

2007-03-21 10:49:14

#9

konfusion: mostly afk; +480|6979|CH/BR - in UK

This is sick. I hope it inspires everyone on this forum to be good/better parents.

-konfusion

2007-03-21 10:49:40

#10

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6958|Global Command

mp30 wrote:
And what about these Jewish assassinations? I don't recall those.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassinat … 's_history

or this

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& … mp;spell=1

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2007-03-21 11:02:49

#11

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7239|Nårvei

Religion alone cant be blamed but it is suspicious that most fuckheads like old granny here are just that.

Besides what major conflicts in the world wasn`t started with a religious reason behind it ?

What i find funny is that every religion known states tolerance, equal rights and respect for other human beings ! ...... yes, even the Quran does that

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2007-03-21 11:43:24

#12

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6874|The Land of Scott Walker

Varegg wrote:
Besides what major conflicts in the world wasn`t started by hiding behind a religious reason?

Fixed.

2007-03-21 12:06:33

#13

konfusion: mostly afk; +480|6979|CH/BR - in UK

The first world war was not religious - unless there's something I have completely missed about it.

-konfusion

2007-03-21 12:12:53

#14

Fen321: Member; +54|6926|Singularity

Know yourself = know peace

2007-03-21 12:21:55

#15

stef10: Member; +173|6911|Denmark

Varegg wrote:
Religion alone cant be blamed but it is suspicious that most fuckheads like old granny here are just that.

Besides what major conflicts in the world wasn`t started with a religious reason behind it ?

What i find funny is that every religion known states tolerance, equal rights and respect for other human beings ! ...... yes, even the Quran does that

Actually not.

2007-03-21 12:37:55

#16

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7010|SE London

CoronadoSEAL wrote:
literally, without religion we would have no sense of right and wrong, and no people cannot live without such a sense.

That's not true. A sense of right and wrong is not a by product of religion. Adhesion to a moral code is promoted by religion, but that means very little. It is only a very small minority of people that behave in a moral manner because of their religion, rather than because of their own sense of ethical behaviour. There are probably more people that use religion in a negative way than those who act morally entirely due to religious beliefs.

It all comes down to the person. Not the religion. Religion is merely a catalyst for both positive and negative behaviour. On top of that you must consider the personal fulfillment religion gives many people, which is, in my mind, the most positive effect of religion.

2007-03-21 13:43:34

#17

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6966|Long Island, New York

I forgot who said it...

"I don't hate god, I just hate his followers."

2007-03-21 13:53:27

#18

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6984

If only more people believed in the Norse pantheon of gods the world would be such a better place.

2007-03-21 13:54:40

#19

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6958|Global Command

Poseidon wrote:
I forgot who said it...

"I don't hate god, I just hate his followers."

I suggest atheist are as misguided as fundamentalist as both profess to know the afterlife.

Religion is no longer about God, it is about money, politics, manipulation and power, and lets not forget a scapegoat for our own immoral actions ( as in the devil made me do it ).

God has nothing to do with my hatred for religion. I suspects he hates it too.

2007-03-21 14:08:03

#20

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6719|Éire

ATG wrote:
I suggest atheist are as misguided as fundamentalist as both profess to know the afterlife.

Atheism is actually inherently ignorant for it suggests that one who is an atheist would not believe in God even if he came down from heaven in person and told you he existed to your face. Agnostic is what I would consider myself. I don't think God exists but if, on the off chance, he happened to descend from on high and tell me he did exist I wouldn't be so ignorant as to say 'No, I don't believe in you' ...that's as ignorant as blindly following a faith and denying everything else.

2007-03-21 14:19:26

#21

Ratzinger: Member; +43|6821|Wollongong, NSW, Australia

Braddock wrote:
ATG wrote:
I suggest atheist are as misguided as fundamentalist as both profess to know the afterlife.
Atheism is actually inherently ignorant for it suggests that one who is an atheist would not believe in God even if he came down from heaven in person and told you he existed to your face. Agnostic is what I would consider myself. I don't think God exists but if, on the off chance, he happened to descend from on high and tell me he did exist I wouldn't be so ignorant as to say 'No, I don't believe in you' ...that's as ignorant as blindly following a faith and denying everything else.

Yeah sure. But until he does, my beliefs will have to stick to the "Occam's Razor" principle...ie, what's most likely or probable, and that doesn't leave our mythical deity much of a chance.....

2007-03-21 14:44:18

#22

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6874|The Land of Scott Walker

Seems like I read somewhere that He did come down . . .

2007-03-21 14:48:06

#23

CoronadoSEAL: pics or it didn't happen; +207|6947|USA

Bertster7 wrote:
CoronadoSEAL wrote:
literally, without religion we would have no sense of right and wrong, and no people cannot live without such a sense.
That's not true. A sense of right and wrong is not a by product of religion. Adhesion to a moral code is promoted by religion, but that means very little. It is only a very small minority of people that behave in a moral manner because of their religion, rather than because of their own sense of ethical behaviour. There are probably more people that use religion in a negative way than those who act morally entirely due to religious beliefs.

It all comes down to the person. Not the religion. Religion is merely a catalyst for both positive and negative behaviour. On top of that you must consider the personal fulfillment religion gives many people, which is, in my mind, the most positive effect of religion.

isn't moral code derived from the ideals of original religion? if it is, that moral code people live by today is a product of religion.

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2007-03-21 15:40:14

#24

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7010|SE London

CoronadoSEAL wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
CoronadoSEAL wrote:
literally, without religion we would have no sense of right and wrong, and no people cannot live without such a sense.
That's not true. A sense of right and wrong is not a by product of religion. Adhesion to a moral code is promoted by religion, but that means very little. It is only a very small minority of people that behave in a moral manner because of their religion, rather than because of their own sense of ethical behaviour. There are probably more people that use religion in a negative way than those who act morally entirely due to religious beliefs.

It all comes down to the person. Not the religion. Religion is merely a catalyst for both positive and negative behaviour. On top of that you must consider the personal fulfillment religion gives many people, which is, in my mind, the most positive effect of religion.
isn't moral code derived from the ideals of original religion? if it is, that moral code people live by today is a product of religion.

No, it isn't.

Moral and ethical behaviour is the product of social evolution, nothing to do with religion. Religion is just a means of getting people to stick to a specific moral code. If you read some books on ethics (Ethics by Plato would be a good place to start) you'll notice there was little, if any connection to religion, in Europe at least - although these days the world operates pretty much under European ideals. There are also many books by biologists, such as Prof. Winston on how our instincts have changed as a result of this social evolution, making people naturally more ethical.

2007-03-21 15:41:43

#25

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7010|SE London

Stingray24 wrote:
Seems like I read somewhere that He did come down . . .

I've read books where a lot of whacky stuff happened. It's hardly the same thing.

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