BF2S Forums Israel Won't Deal with the New Palestinian Government

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Agreed...

Failure only happens when people quit trying. There are millions of people suffering every single day in that region. It is a fine line between pessimism and delusion but we must always try to have faith in the good in people. Try and remember that the majority of the pain and turmoil there is caused by the actions of a few. It only takes a couple bad apples to ruin the pie. Hope and chance have sustained humanity for 650 thousand years. Imagine what our ancestors were feeling during the great wars. They did not accept annihilation, neither should we. We must force ourselves to be optimistic although I know it is challenging.

Well, my take on what you've said is that Israel and the Muslims need to be more cooperative and optimistic with each other.  We don't belong in this conflict.

No we don't.

Fen321 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Vilham wrote:

I thought we had all already agreed with my point that this is stupid to talk about... they will NEVER work together, let them kill each other all they want.

I say the United States just give the Jews Puerto Rico and be done with it..

lol wtf?

I hope this wasn't in the least bit serious, but in case it was....wow..haha I'm at a lost of words how you can offer up a country much like Palestine to the "Jews" and not some how see the parallel to what was done in 1948 in Palestine.

It was a joke of course. You know since Puerto Rico is a US territory.

Sure..
This one?

JahManRed wrote:

What because a people who's land is occupied contrary to international law have grievances with their occupiers and their financiers and want to express it? I suppose you agree with beating American anti war campaigners of THEIR streets so Bush and is motorcade don't have to see them? There is no comparison between fanatics seeking power and ethnic cleansing and a peoples trying desperately to regain their land.
The media always shows the crowd of people chanting death to Israel and America but you never see footage of the children blown to bits from 20 000 feet 20min's earlier by an American made, Israeli commanded and piloted F 18 which brought the people onto the streets in the first place. This propaganda is then used to justify Israels actions. Ever seen the footage of Israeli 5 year olds righting messages of hate on bombs which are to be dropped on Palestinian towns and villages killing Palestinian 5 years olds? It works both ways although few Americans will admit it.Its always poor poor Israel. If you care to admit it or not, to you Israeli blood is much more precious than Palestinian blood and thats what it boils down to.

I have grievance with the IRS and illegal immigrants occupying our land but I am not out burning Mexican flags and chanting death to the IRS. As far as the media, you seem to have the predetermined misconception that our government controls our media. In my country we not only have freedom of the press but the right to freedom of speech and expression is also alive and well. In our mass competitive capitalistic market I assure you that coverage of the Palestinian struggle is shown. I have seen you post similar statements about selective news coverage before and to be honest it is so absurd I ignored it in the past. Anything that is shown on your TV can be shown on mine as well. To me it sounds as if someone is giving you the Kool-Aid. To say we value one humans life over another is not only insulting it is prejudice. To be completely honest it's not that Americans don't care about the Palestinians. We tend to take the side that the whole situation is screwed up. The problem is we are not asking questions about why our government is giving over 2.4 billion dollars annually to the Israelis. It is because of this people assume shit like Americans don't care about dead five year old Palestinian kids. I have never in my life EVER heard an American remotely say anything resembling "Israeli blood is much more precious than Palestinian blood ". The situation is overwhelming to us as well, and to the average American who works a 40-60 hour week while trying to raise a family it all seems to be something they can not personally handle. Most Americans prioritize their families over quiting their job to go lobby a congressman in DC. It's much easier to think we don't care.  Everyone needs a Demon to blame, the worlds most powerful/wealthiest nation will have to do. This conflict has been going on for over a thousand years. Long before there ever was a United States.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-03-17 19:31:36)

Bubbalo wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims.  “Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep.”

Actually, I think it has more to do with the whole mass murder thing the Zionists were into after WWII.  In fact, Muslims are told to protect "Peoples of the Book".

I hope you understand that is not me you are quoting but rather an excerpt from the Hamas charter.

Why is it so complicated. Palestinians:"We will never recognize Isreal, first chance we get we will destroy them"
Israeli's: "We will let you be if you let us be but you wont so lets dance""

Simple as that.

rawls2 wrote:

Why is it so complicated. Palestinians:"We will never recognize Isreal, first chance we get we will destroy them"
Israeli's: "We will let you be if you let us be but you wont so lets dance""

Simple as that.

Israel: "I will never let you be yourself by yourself".

sergeriver wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

Why is it so complicated. Palestinians:"We will never recognize Isreal, first chance we get we will destroy them"
Israeli's: "We will let you be if you let us be but you wont so lets dance""

Simple as that.

Israel: "I will never let you be yourself by yourself".

Thats a load of hogwash.
It is way more plausible to see Israel withdraw and let the Palestinians become their own state than it is to see Hamas and Fatah lay their weapons down.

rawls2 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

Why is it so complicated. Palestinians:"We will never recognize Isreal, first chance we get we will destroy them"
Israeli's: "We will let you be if you let us be but you wont so lets dance""

Simple as that.

Israel: "I will never let you be yourself by yourself".

Thats a load of hogwash.
It is way more plausible to see Israel withdraw and let the Palestinians become their own state than it is to see Hamas and Fatah lay their weapons down.

You have some very strange ideas about Israel.

Pug wrote:

Circular logic, neither side is going to lower their weapons first.

Of course the first step would have been to keep the cease fire in place, and also easying relations instead of going back to the same rhetoric.

Look, I know Palestine is guilty too, but Israel is the powerful here, Israel is oppressing Palestinians, Israel is the one asking to boycott the new government of Palestine, even when the US says it will talk with them.  Israel doesn't want to sort this out.

Lost Hope wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

Circular logic, neither side is going to lower their weapons first.

Of course the first step would have been to keep the cease fire in place, and also easying relations instead of going back to the same rhetoric.

Look, I know Palestine is guilty too, but Israel is the powerful here, Israel is oppressing Palestinians, Israel is the one asking to boycott the new government of Palestine, even when the US says it will talk with them.  Israel doesn't want to sort this out.

Not Israel, it's government.

But, hopefully, Olmert and his government will fall soon.

If Yithzak Rabin was able to do it, someone else can do it too.

Until the Zionists kill them.

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

Circular logic, neither side is going to lower their weapons first.

Of course the first step would have been to keep the cease fire in place, and also easying relations instead of going back to the same rhetoric.

Look, I know Palestine is guilty too, but Israel is the powerful here, Israel is oppressing Palestinians, Israel is the one asking to boycott the new government of Palestine, even when the US says it will talk with them.  Israel doesn't want to sort this out.

Of course you faiedl to recognize that I actually was talking about BOTH the Palestinians and the Israelis.  You would think that they would have taken more steps to ease tensions.

There hasn't been a change since the ceasefire, except they aren't shooting at each other...oops wait a minute:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070319/wl_ … ians_dc_21

Bertster7 wrote:

Lost Hope wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Look, I know Palestine is guilty too, but Israel is the powerful here, Israel is oppressing Palestinians, Israel is the one asking to boycott the new government of Palestine, even when the US says it will talk with them.  Israel doesn't want to sort this out.

Not Israel, it's government.

But, hopefully, Olmert and his government will fall soon.

If Yithzak Rabin was able to do it, someone else can do it too.

Until the Zionists kill them.

Well, after the assassination of Rabin, I think that they are aware of the zionists.

Did you noticed all the bodyguards around Sharon and Olmert ?

They don't want another Ygal Amir to mess things up.

sergeriver wrote:

I know you talk about both sides, but Israel has a greater responsibility, since it's the powerful one in this story, and the Palestinians are living like shit coz of Israel's oppression.  How would you feel if you were a Palestinian?

Ok, so as long as a side is weak then they can do no wrong?

The bottom line is that no one is forcing a resolution to this problem, including those involved.  It's useless to pick sides.  I feel sorry for both the Israelis and the Palestians, but the bottom line is they are a bunch of fuckups.

I once read somewhere on this forum that "all the Palestians have are rocks" and the Israelis have tanks.  Well, it looks like they have some mortars.

In this case, the world begins to loosen the sanctions on Palestine.  The world begins to care a little more about them.  So the new government is essentially the same, and Israel blasts out rhetoric.

Result: mortars.

How about not fucking shooting mortars and bring the fucking Israelis to the table to talk about growing old together?

Can't do that?  Too much history?  Well then fuck them both.

Give me a break Serge.