How far off is a fully robotic military?

2007-02-21 13:57:25

#1

Fancy_Pollux: Connoisseur of Fine Wine; +1,306|7073

This prospect is no longer limited to fictional media such as Terminator or Stealth. With developments including the UAV, bomb disarming robots in Iraq, and the mobile machine gun sentries being designed to fight insurgents in Iraq, our wars will be fought by a man behind a keyboard rather than the soldiers on the ground or the pilots in the cockpit.

So...

How far into the future do you foresee a fully robotic military being a reality?

Would we still need the human component on the front line?

Would not having to risk human lives to wage war actually increase violence?

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2007-02-21 14:06:23)

2007-02-21 14:19:47

#2

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7237|Nårvei

Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Would not having to risk human lives to wage war actually increase violence?

Nope, a fully robotic army will be to expensive to use and loose .... to send a 50 million dollar robot to Iraq to be destroyed by a 20 dollar RPG is bad business when you can get poor people to go for free .....

And how to limit the AI control of the robots is a scientific nightmare, to little and they will fail, to much and ..... well, terminator anyone ?

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2007-02-21 14:20:22

#3

Pug: UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate; +652|6969|Texas - Bigger than France

Today's youths are learning the skills to defend the country tomorrow.

God bless you Nintendo.

2007-02-21 14:32:08

#4

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7009|SE London

Varegg wrote:
And how to limit the AI control of the robots is a scientific nightmare, to little and they will fail, to much and ..... well, terminator anyone ?

You don't need, nor do we have any real insight into how to make, thinking AIs. All you need is for them to be able to idenitfy and kill/destroy/secure stuff. I see no reason why development couldn't start now, it'd just be ludirously expensive and take a while.

It'll be just like Supreme Commander.

2007-02-21 14:33:55

#5

Ninja_Monkey: I TK For Blackhawks; +60|6992|UK

Bertster7 wrote:
It'll be just like Supreme Commander.

what suck?

2007-02-21 14:36:52

#6

Parker: isteal; +1,452|6821|The Gem Saloon

i wont dive into all the shit, but i can tell you this. one of the main reasons the USAF doesnt have this shit is because of network issues 30,000 feet in the air. after that is resolved they plan on using a human pilot with a tablet PC or something to that extent to control up to 20 UFV's. they plan on having the human in an AWACS so that he can see what is happening, and control the planes from there. i read it in a popular mechanics, ill try to find a link so im not just talkin out of my ass.

2007-02-21 14:39:14

#7

dead_rac00n: Member; +12|6910|DTC

There.

2007-02-21 14:42:33

#8

Mason4Assassin444: retired; +552|7089|USA

we're getting there...

http://www.darpa.mil/dso/thrust/matdev/ehpa.htm

2007-02-21 14:48:33

#9

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7163|Salt Lake City

How about countries just start challenging each other to a game of BF2, and call it good?

2007-02-21 14:50:25

#10

deeznutz1245: Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.; +483|6920|Connecticut

dead_rac00n wrote:
There.

Crap. First off it rolls so if wars were waged in a Home Depot parking lot it might be effective. Second, scrutinize the weaponry system. The mounted guns bounce to much and do not have a fixation on the target, making it inaccurate. A Chevy Blazer at 25 miles per hour at the feet would knock it over.

Malloy must go

2007-02-21 14:50:52

#11

BN: smells like wee wee; +159|7195

dead_rac00n wrote:
There.

looks like some millionare nerd went 1 step too far

2007-02-21 14:51:40

#12

commandochristian: Honda - The Power of Dreams; +293|6840|Michigan, USA

I thought you might be interested in this, it's called Tetra Vaal:

https://analogik.com/_images/img_mm_tetra_robot_big.jpg

[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6645931304419661379&q=Tetra+Vaal&hl=en[/google]
Source

_{hmm, I just might make a new thread with this...}

Last edited by commandochristian (2007-02-21 15:01:11)

2007-02-21 15:00:19

#13

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7134|67.222.138.85

If the object in the war is to completely decimate the enemy and nothing else, then yes. (But we were pretty much their after developing nuclear weapons)

2007-02-21 15:05:26

#14

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,991|7059|949

I think humankind will be annihilated by cancer due to electromagnetic waves before we have a "fully robotic" military.

However, what good is a fully robotic military if it just fights another fully robotic military?

2007-02-21 15:06:00

#15

CoronadoSEAL: pics or it didn't happen; +207|6945|USA

i fly radio controlled airplanes and helis...maybe i will be able to drop more than eggs some day...

2007-02-21 15:15:02

#16

CoronadoSEAL: pics or it didn't happen; +207|6945|USA

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
How about countries just start challenging each other to a game of BF2, and call it good?

my money is on japan

2007-02-21 15:15:40

#17

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|7120

I say 20 years before we see stuff that is truly as combat effective as a soldier.

x

2007-02-21 15:18:15

#18

jonsimon: Member; +224|6922

Fancy_Pollux wrote:
How far into the future do you foresee a fully robotic military being a reality?

Would we still need the human component on the front line?

Would not having to risk human lives to wage war actually increase violence?

A long time.
Yes.
Yes.

2007-02-21 16:07:09

#19

PureFodder: Member; +225|6713

Fancy_Pollux wrote:
This prospect is no longer limited to fictional media such as Terminator or Stealth. With developments including the UAV, bomb disarming robots in Iraq, and the mobile machine gun sentries being designed to fight insurgents in Iraq, our wars will be fought by a man behind a keyboard rather than the soldiers on the ground or the pilots in the cockpit.

So...

How far into the future do you foresee a fully robotic military being a reality?

Would we still need the human component on the front line?

Would not having to risk human lives to wage war actually increase violence?

Some smart arse would find some wonderous computer virus, Jammer or EMP device that could flatten the entire army in one shot.

2007-02-21 18:00:23

#20

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7199|PNW

Never.

Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Would not having to risk human lives to wage war actually increase violence?

That's the argument. You would lack the moral stigma of putting your own human lives at risk, and therefore decrease concern about other human lives.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-02-21 18:02:12)

2007-02-21 18:20:42

#21

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7028|132 and Bush

CoronadoSEAL wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
How about countries just start challenging each other to a game of BF2, and call it good?
my money is on japan

I have been playing a Chinese guy the last couple nights in Supreme Commander and he has been kicking my ass. My money is on China..lol

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2007-02-21 18:24:40

#22

l41e: Member; +677|7075

Electromagnetic pulse.

Bzap, I disabled your whole army.
Bzap, I disabled your whole navy.

2007-02-21 18:33:45

#23

Hurricane: Banned; +1,153|7057|Washington, DC

k30dxedle wrote:
Electromagnetic pulse.

Bzap, I disabled your whole army.
Bzap, I disabled your whole navy.

"Enemy military spotted!"
"Requesting EMP strike, over!"
"EMP strike deployed"
"Cheers!"
"Warning: EMP control module damaged (or whatever she says)"
"REPAIR TEH EMP U FUCKING NUB... SIR!"

2007-02-21 18:35:06

#24

Fancy_Pollux: Connoisseur of Fine Wine; +1,306|7073

k30dxedle wrote:
I've never heard of EMP shielding, tree formation circuitry, Zener diodes, or fiber-optics.

I thought so.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2007-02-21 18:35:27)

2007-02-21 18:38:59

#25

Tompie913: I like Chinese; +12|6810|Pittsburgh, PA

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