ATG
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When I first read this this story I was at first kind of like, what are they thinking. But then I started doing a little research and found out a possible answer;

WWW.JAMESTOWN.ORG wrote:

Investigations by the Italian security services since 2001 indicate that Italy has become a platform for al-Qaeda associated terrorist operations in Europe and Iraq. Italy's Muslim population is concentrated in Milan, with an estimated 100,000 Muslims residing in the northern city. Not surprisingly Milan appears to be the base of Italy's extremist network, which has connections to other Islamic radical groups in Europe, specifically in Spain and Germany. The primary focus of the Islamists' activities in Italy appears to have been that of a staging ground for recruiting suicide bombers to conduct attacks against U.S.-led forces in Iraq. Nevertheless, the sizeable presence of determined Islamic militants in Italy make the country a potential target for a major Madrid-style terrorist attack.
Basically, Italy is making a token gesture to appease the Muslim Extremist in their own midst. Shall I go on?

WWW.JAMESTOWN.ORG wrote:

Islamic radicals have been present in Italy in large numbers since 1992, shortly after the defeat of the Red Army in Afghanistan. Like in other European countries, the influx of former mujahideen volunteers from the Arab world had a great impact. Geographically and politically, the center of gravity for the Islamists was North Italy, where thousands of Muslim immigrants live and work.
So what we have here is another European government living in fear and acting in ways that do not improve their relationship in the U.S. to try to avoid terrorism. I suspect the Italians were a little miffed at the CIA acting in its own borders, but this is a show trial against people who are not even in the country. There is zero chance the U.S. will be sending its intelligence agents to Europe to stand trial.

I hope this works for them and that there are no terrorist attacks in Italy.
Scorpion0x17
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Bullshit. If they broke the law they should stand trial. And, I'm afraid, kidnap and torture are against the law, even for CIA agents.
ATG
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So, go get them. I double dog dare you.
Kmar
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Shouldn't it be the Egyptians standing trial?
Or at the very least included.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-17 22:30:04)

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ATG
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Kmarion wrote:

Shouldn't it be the Egyptians standing trial?
Or at the very least included.
Only if the charge is torture, which...its not. That part was okay, it was the part when our CIA guys put the bag over his head and threw him into the van to give him to the Egyptians.
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ATG wrote:

So, go get them. I double dog dare you.
Oh, don't doubt that you're right in your exertions that the USA will never extradite their intelligence agents.

My point is that the trial is nothing like a "token gesture to appease the Muslim Extremist in their own midst".

The trial is both morally and legally right.

And if the powers that be in the US of A didn't have such a total and utter disregard for both moral and legal laws then those intelligence agents would stand trial, as they should (assuming there is evidence to suggest that they were involved in illegal 'rendition' activities).
ATG
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And if I were president I would advise any nations seeking to detain our men that the Marines would be there for them should anything happen.

Europe may not be at war, but we are.
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ATG wrote:

And if I were president I would advise any nations seeking to detain our men that the Marines would be there for them should anything happen.

Europe may not be at war, but we are.
A state of war that you imposed upon yourself. A country can't just go "we're at war", ride slipshod all over international law, and then use the claim that "we're at war" to justify their actions.
Kmar
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ATG wrote:

And if I were president I would advise any nations seeking to detain our men that the Marines would be there for them should anything happen.

Europe may not be at war, but we are.
A state of war that you imposed upon yourself. A country can't just go "we're at war", ride slipshod all over international law, and then use the claim that "we're at war" to justify their actions.
It wasn't just a claim out of the blue. Agree or disagree, something happened that brought the actions on.
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ATG wrote:

And if I were president I would advise any nations seeking to detain our men that the Marines would be there for them should anything happen.

Europe may not be at war, but we are.
A state of war that you imposed upon yourself. A country can't just go "we're at war", ride slipshod all over international law, and then use the claim that "we're at war" to justify their actions.
We imposed 9-11 on ourselves?
Care to elaborate?
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Kmarion wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ATG wrote:

And if I were president I would advise any nations seeking to detain our men that the Marines would be there for them should anything happen.

Europe may not be at war, but we are.
A state of war that you imposed upon yourself. A country can't just go "we're at war", ride slipshod all over international law, and then use the claim that "we're at war" to justify their actions.
It wasn't just a claim out of the blue. Agree or disagree, something happened that brought the actions on.
That event happened. Then the US invaded Iraq. One was just an excuse for the other and there has never been any evidence to justify the actions taken, in my opinion.

ATG wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ATG wrote:

And if I were president I would advise any nations seeking to detain our men that the Marines would be there for them should anything happen.

Europe may not be at war, but we are.
A state of war that you imposed upon yourself. A country can't just go "we're at war", ride slipshod all over international law, and then use the claim that "we're at war" to justify their actions.
We imposed 9-11 on ourselves?
Care to elaborate?
That's not what I said. I said you imposed the 'state of war' on yourselves.

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ATG
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And...what does Iraq have to do with the CIA agents in Italy,  pray tell?

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

That's not what I said. I said you imposed the 'state of war' on yourselves.
So, we were just supposed to clean up the mess the Muslim made in New York and pretend nothing happened?

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ATG wrote:

And...what does Iraq have to do with the CIA agents in Italy,  pray tell?
It's all part of the same so called 'war on terrorism'.
Kmar
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

A state of war that you imposed upon yourself. A country can't just go "we're at war", ride slipshod all over international law, and then use the claim that "we're at war" to justify their actions.
It wasn't just a claim out of the blue. Agree or disagree, something happened that brought the actions on.
That event happened. Then the US invaded Iraq. One was just an excuse for the other and there has never been any evidence to justify the actions taken, in my opinion.
Indeed, information does not mean intelligence. So did the UK fabricate this so we could go to war?
http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page275.asp

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ATG wrote:

And...what does Iraq have to do with the CIA agents in Italy,  pray tell?

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

That's not what I said. I said you imposed the 'state of war' on yourselves.
So, we were just supposed to clean up the mess the Muslim made in New York and pretend nothing happened?
No, but equally you don't use it as an excuse to further your own imperialist agenda.
ATG
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ATG wrote:

And...what does Iraq have to do with the CIA agents in Italy,  pray tell?
It's all part of the same so called 'war on terrorism'.
I'm trying to follow you to a point, but I don't think you have one, to be honest.
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ATG wrote:

And...what does Iraq have to do with the CIA agents in Italy,  pray tell?
It's all part of the same so called 'war on terrorism'.
Which was started because of 9-11, which the terrorists started, please try to inform us on to how we started this war?
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Kmarion wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


It wasn't just a claim out of the blue. Agree or disagree, something happened that brought the actions on.
That event happened. Then the US invaded Iraq. One was just an excuse for the other and there has never been any evidence to justify the actions taken, in my opinion.
Indeed, information does not mean intelligence. So did the UK fabricate this so we could go to war?
http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page275.asp
Another excuse. Not a reason.
Vilham
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You think maybe just maybe they are making them stand trial because they broke the law???

America cant do as it wants. About time someone did this.
ATG
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Now its 3 on 1 and that isn't fair. here I'll switch sides;;


No matter what happened to America on 9-11, you have no right to go into another country and abduct their citizens, even if they are Muslim fanatics who are plotting suicide attacks.


Now me again;

If Italy wants to deal with their own problems, fine, But if not, and we percieve a threat we will.
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Commie Killer wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ATG wrote:

And...what does Iraq have to do with the CIA agents in Italy,  pray tell?
It's all part of the same so called 'war on terrorism'.
Which was started because of 9-11, which the terrorists started, please try to inform us on to how we started this war?
America created Al-Qaeda.
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

America created Al-Qaeda.
Nope.  Try again.
Kmar
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Vilham wrote:

You think maybe just maybe they are making them stand trial because they broke the law???

America cant do as it wants. About time someone did this.
If we are so concerned with the law why are the Egyptians not being charged? I agree with you on principle but this is just posturing. You do realize the Egyptians did the torturing right? Yet nearly no word about it.
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Vilham wrote:

You think maybe just maybe they are making them stand trial because they broke the law???

America cant do as it wants. About time someone did this.
Precisely my original point, before we got sidetracked onto the US excuse for their ilegal activities.
ATG
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

America created Al-Qaeda.
Your obviously not cut out for this part of the forum.
Here's the door;

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewforum.php?id=18

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