aardfrith
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Major_Spittle wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Colfax wrote:

The dems have just emboldened the terrorists[period]  Things get rough the U.S. cuts and run.  All they have to do is make bombs and run them into things.  I teenager could do that from info on the net.
No, it's about realizing that this is a battle not worth over $400 billion.  We've been getting raped by military contractors that overcharge us, while we throw billions more at rebuilding a country that isn't worth our time, lives, or efforts.

Helping Americans should come before helping Iraqis.  Iraq is a lost cause.
I agree with Turquoise about the Money.  For $400,000,000,000 I should have seen a lot more dead Iraqis.  This is the most mismanaged war ever.  Let's stop throwing money at it.  Gradual pull out, either the Iraqis will defend freedom or be killed.  Tell Syria, Saudi, & Iran if they fuck with Iraq we will carpet bomb their capitals, and actually follow through with this.

The US is not the nursemaid to the ME, Kill 'em from the air if they don't police THEIR terrorist problems in THEIR countries.

A properly motivated enemy can be your greatest ally.
If the US is not the nursemaid to the Middle East, why the fuck do you care about the terrorist problems?  Just pull your troops out and leave them to it.  If you go ahead with the plan to bomb neighbouring countries' cities, you're just putting more US troops in the firing line.

Or do you want more Americans to die?
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6964|Long Island, New York

fadedsteve wrote:

Its non binding it doesnt mean shit!!!!!!!

The Democrats should publicly admit defeat and say their REAL intentions, which is a complete and full withdrawl from Iraq. . . . Which undoubtedly will lead to more chaos/bloodshed/more terrorists/more instability!!!

Nice plan Democrats, you won the congress cause all you did was bash Bush, now your great plan is a withdrawl from Iraq. . . Next bright plan will be to elect Hillary as your parties rep in 08!! Fuckin' A you guys got it all figured out. . . sarcasm*

The Democrats can take their America hating, left wing liberal defeatist socialist agenda and shove it up their fucking loose assholes!!!!!
I expected one of these in this kind of thread.

You're a flipping idiot. If you guys haven't realized yet, Mr. Almighty President of ours..his plan in Iraq ISN'T WORKING.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7111|United States of America

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/16/us.iraq.ap/index.html

Interesting. Wonder what the plan is now? Let the flames begin!
As Jon Stewart once said and I paraphrased: just pull out and be like, "hmm, who started that mess?"
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6794|Columbus, Ohio

Major_Spittle wrote:

Kill 'em from the air if they don't police THEIR terrorist problems in THEIR countries.
I wished that worked.  Clinton tried that with bin laden.......didn't work too well did it?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

aardfrith wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


No, it's about realizing that this is a battle not worth over $400 billion.  We've been getting raped by military contractors that overcharge us, while we throw billions more at rebuilding a country that isn't worth our time, lives, or efforts.

Helping Americans should come before helping Iraqis.  Iraq is a lost cause.
I agree with Turquoise about the Money.  For $400,000,000,000 I should have seen a lot more dead Iraqis.  This is the most mismanaged war ever.  Let's stop throwing money at it.  Gradual pull out, either the Iraqis will defend freedom or be killed.  Tell Syria, Saudi, & Iran if they fuck with Iraq we will carpet bomb their capitals, and actually follow through with this.

The US is not the nursemaid to the ME, Kill 'em from the air if they don't police THEIR terrorist problems in THEIR countries.

A properly motivated enemy can be your greatest ally.
If the US is not the nursemaid to the Middle East, why the fuck do you care about the terrorist problems?  Just pull your troops out and leave them to it.  If you go ahead with the plan to bomb neighbouring countries' cities, you're just putting more US troops in the firing line.

Or do you want more Americans to die?
Good points...  this is why I've been trying to convince neoconservatives that staying in Iraq is not in America's best interests.  If they're willing to admit that the costs of this operation are exorbitant and haven't led to much progress, then they also have to admit that there's not much of a logical reason to stay in Iraq at this point.  Thankfully, even Bush seems to slowly be coming to terms with this.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

usmarine2007 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Kill 'em from the air if they don't police THEIR terrorist problems in THEIR countries.
I wished that worked.  Clinton tried that with bin laden.......didn't work too well did it?
Worked pretty well in my book.  It didn't cost $400 billion, none of our soldiers died, and we kept Saddam from doing anything outside of his country.
Capt_Flapjack
Member
+12|7182|Kansas City, MO, USA

aardfrith wrote:

If the US is not the nursemaid to the Middle East, why the fuck do you care about the terrorist problems?
It's because of this thing called 9/11, dickwad.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6821|The Gem Saloon
so does no one think that we are exporting a conflict to save american civilians lives???
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6794|Columbus, Ohio

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Kill 'em from the air if they don't police THEIR terrorist problems in THEIR countries.
I wished that worked.  Clinton tried that with bin laden.......didn't work too well did it?
Worked pretty well in my book.  It didn't cost $400 billion, none of our soldiers died, and we kept Saddam from doing anything outside of his country.
I said bin laden.  And no, it didn't work that good if you remember all the attacks....not just 9/11.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

usmarine2007 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


I wished that worked.  Clinton tried that with bin laden.......didn't work too well did it?
Worked pretty well in my book.  It didn't cost $400 billion, none of our soldiers died, and we kept Saddam from doing anything outside of his country.
I said bin laden.  And no, it didn't work that good if you remember all the attacks....not just 9/11.
Yes, but we're not fighting Bin Laden in Iraq.  This thread is about an Iraq resolution.  That's why I said Saddam.

I agreed with entering Afghanistan.  That war was done well and with the appropriate support of the world.  Bush was doing alright as president until the Iraq thing came up.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

Parker wrote:

so does no one think that we are exporting a conflict to save american civilians lives???
I don't.  I think we are exporting conflict, which is helping to recruit extremists from the chaos it creates.  That "fight them over there, not here" idea is bullshit, IMHO.  Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6794|Columbus, Ohio

Turquoise wrote:

Yes, but we're not fighting Bin Laden in Iraq.  This thread is about an Iraq resolution.  That's why I said Saddam.
I know.  But he was talking about taking out terrorists from the air.  All I was saying, I wished that worked...but it doesn't.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

usmarine2007 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Yes, but we're not fighting Bin Laden in Iraq.  This thread is about an Iraq resolution.  That's why I said Saddam.
I know.  But he was talking about taking out terrorists from the air.  All I was saying, I wished that worked...but it doesn't.
Fair enough...  I can agree with that, since terrorists are generally better at hiding than military installations are.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6821|The Gem Saloon

Turquoise wrote:

Parker wrote:

so does no one think that we are exporting a conflict to save american civilians lives???
I don't.  I think we are exporting conflict, which is helping to recruit extremists from the chaos it creates.  That "fight them over there, not here" idea is bullshit, IMHO.  Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
i agree that iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, however it was the wahabists that are flooding iraq right now, that attacked us.
so do you think that if we leave they wont attack us?
i mean i dont necessarily agree with the invasion of iraq under flase pretenses, however, now that we are there i think it would do more harm to leave.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

Parker wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Parker wrote:

so does no one think that we are exporting a conflict to save american civilians lives???
I don't.  I think we are exporting conflict, which is helping to recruit extremists from the chaos it creates.  That "fight them over there, not here" idea is bullshit, IMHO.  Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
i agree that iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, however it was the wahabists that are flooding iraq right now, that attacked us.
so do you think that if we leave they wont attack us?
i mean i dont necessarily agree with the invasion of iraq under flase pretenses, however, now that we are there i think it would do more harm to leave.
I can see where you are coming from, but most of the insurgency is only interested in taking over Iraq.  They have no interest in attacking us outside of Iraq.  Also, this conflict is likely to last for decades with all the sides involved.  They'll be too busy attacking each other to attack us.
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|7082|United States of America

usmarine2007 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Yes, but we're not fighting Bin Laden in Iraq.  This thread is about an Iraq resolution.  That's why I said Saddam.
I know.  But he was talking about taking out terrorists from the air.  All I was saying, I wished that worked...but it doesn't.
I never suggested bombing terrorists.

I suggested bombing any country that fucked with Iraq after we pulled out.

I also suggested carpet bombing cities of countries that provided safe haven for terrorists.  This would make them fight the war on terror or die.  Hmmm, I think Iran could locate and destroy terrorists in its country better than the US can.  Same with Saudi Arabia & Syria.

Why the fuck are we wearing kid gloves while these countries are grooming people to destroy our country.  Wake the fuck up.  Spending over 700,000,000,000 invading, fighting door to door, and rebuilding the country in hopes it doesn't just revert bact to terrorism after we leave is not the answer.  Who is ready to do that with Iran in 2 years, and then in Iraq again, and then Syria, next Saudi?

Our Government is filled with fuck wads that are afraid to put on their big boy pants and make the tough decisions.  This BS of "were gonna Invade Iraq, but be nice to them and appologise for not being Islamic and bow to them and appease their Clerics, take the cross off the Red Cross vehicles delivering aide and form a Democracy that supports human rights exept for women rights and freedom of religion because we must not offend the poor Moooslims.  BLAH fumble fuck.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7027|132 and Bush

What happens if we leave? It's no doubt a screwed up situation, but I foresee a complete humanitarian disaster with a dash of ethnic cleansing and a sprinkle of mass executions. The debate if the war should have started is long gone. I think it is just as irresponsible to completely abandon the Iraqis. Everyone who advocates an immediate pull out without having some sort of plan should be prepared for the consequences. I simply don't know what the plan should be at this point. What I do know is that people seem to be more concerned with allocating blame and trying to separate themselves from the issue. Where is the leader with a real plan?

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-16 18:16:13)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
alpinestar
Member
+304|7023|New York City baby.
These munitions made in USA, wonder no more why they hate us so much. Teh " terroristos'

Last edited by alpinestar (2007-02-16 21:20:10)

fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6917|Menlo Park, CA

Poseidon wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

Its non binding it doesnt mean shit!!!!!!!

The Democrats should publicly admit defeat and say their REAL intentions, which is a complete and full withdrawl from Iraq. . . . Which undoubtedly will lead to more chaos/bloodshed/more terrorists/more instability!!!

Nice plan Democrats, you won the congress cause all you did was bash Bush, now your great plan is a withdrawl from Iraq. . . Next bright plan will be to elect Hillary as your parties rep in 08!! Fuckin' A you guys got it all figured out. . . sarcasm*

The Democrats can take their America hating, left wing liberal defeatist socialist agenda and shove it up their fucking loose assholes!!!!!
I expected one of these in this kind of thread.

You're a flipping idiot. If you guys haven't realized yet, Mr. Almighty President of ours..his plan in Iraq ISN'T WORKING.
He has made mistakes, their is no doubt about that. . .but your missing the point!

Just leaving with our tail stuck between our legs is not a plan. . . its a cop out!! It will cost more Iraqi lives, and probably make us RE-go back into Iraqi in the future to clean out terrorist safe havens. . .

We have the opportunity to make this right, send in the troops and clean out the bad neighborhoods in Baghdad!!! Leaving does nothing but make the situation worse, and moreover dishonors the troops and our initial word to "stay until the mission is completed".

The Democrats are assholes and dont care about our troops!! They care ONLY about smearing Bush/his administration, and for their own power in Washington.  They dont give a fuck about the Iraqi people, catching and killing terrorists, or honoring the lives of the troops deceased/currently fighting.  They (Democrats) are a pathetic group of self indulged smear artists. They make me sick!

Not only that they (Democrats) dont want us to win!!! I love how they use the word "redeploy". . . kiss my dick!! All that means is get out, because we dont have the balls to see this mission through! fucking pathetic absolutely fucking shameful. . . Its flat out pathetic. . .no other way to describe the Democrat party.

Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-02-17 00:23:09)

HunterOfSkulls
Rated EC-10
+246|6706
Yes, damn those traitorous Democrats.
All they've done since the beginning is talk a lot of shit while putting up pathetic, spineless resistance to everything Bush has done. Patriot Act? Complained about it bitterly, said they didn't have time to read the whole thing and signed the damn thing anyway. The war in Iraq? Complained about it bitterly, voted for it anyway (including Hillary, oh the horror) and now the best they can do is come up with this mealy-mouthed non-binding garbage. Yippee, you guys took a vote and said you don't like it but you're going to bend over for it anyway. Thanks Democrats, way to be the opposition party. More like the candy-ass party. Years of the GOP trashing them and anyone left-of-center as being terrorist-lovers, cowards, traitors and then the second they get any kind of power what do they do? Decide "Oh let's let bygones be bygones, no need to be unpleasant". Bullshit to that, there damn well is a need to be unpleasant. Someone drags you through the mud for a decade, convinces people you're in league with psycho fundamentalist nutbuckets just because you disagree with them, you don't say "Ohoho, it's all in good fun chaps", you tell them to STFU and back the hell off. This is allowing people to run the entire nation based on weasel words. This is real cowardice, being afraid to say something and then stand up for it no matter what the consequences. All they seem to want is to remain in some kind of power, and if they have to be the GOP's bitches then they're okay with it. This is why I mostly don't vote for them unless it's local elections. Hillary? Phony, lip-service progressive windsock. Bill? Same damn thing. Edwards? Coward, couldn't stick up for his own staff people when it counted and instead looked like he was ready to cave to people who wouldn't vote for him anyway. Obama? Way too slick for my liking, hasn't even come close to kicking ass and taking names of the idiots who keep childisly misspelling his name because they think somehow chanting "OSAMA OBAMA!" is political debate.

The Democrats need to grow spines, yes, but not so they can claim they're "tough on terrorism" like the GOP, but so they can actually serve the purpose they're supposed to; keeping this country from having a one-party government. All this "Hurrrrr, Dems and libs is terrist-luvers" stuff is just weak and they should be standing up against it, not quaking in fear every time some jackstain starts mouthing "traitor" at them. I am not a traitor because I don't want more lives wasted on this idiocy of taking down some half-assed dictator we used to say was one of the good guys. I am not a traitor because I'm tired of soldiers dying for bullshit and for some corporation or another's bottom line. I am not a traitor for demanding that we not sink to the level of the enemy and start torturing people just to satisfy people who've watched too much "24" and don't realize that torture only works if by "works" you mean "makes you look like a bunch of evil thugs, gives the fanatics more ways to convince people you're evil thugs and gets the torturer off". Neither is anyone else a traitor for thinking or saying these things. This is the very essence of what an American citizen should be; questioning of authority, desirous of positive change, unwilling to bow to pressure to conform.

This may be an unpleasant thing for some to hear, but here it is: America is not perfect. It has never been perfect. Its people and its government have done wrong. The way past that is to acknowledge it and fix it, not engage in this "GrraRRrr, you hate America, America does nothing wrong, get out hippie!" whitewashing bullshit. If what you want is to live in a place where nobody can question the government or the nation's history and nobody can say "Hey, you're doing it wrong, fix it", I suggest that you relocate. Obviously you can't handle a nation with freedoms and citizen participation in government and I'm sure there's some nice totalitarian police state that'll welcome you with open arms once they are assured of your unswerving loyalty to authority over your countrymen. You won't be missed here.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6794|Columbus, Ohio
Sorry to rain on some of your parades....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070218/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7101|Canberra, AUS

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

Yes, damn those traitorous Democrats.
All they've done since the beginning is talk a lot of shit while putting up pathetic,...

...

...your countrymen. You won't be missed here.
Coincidentally the one member of the forums who needs to take note of this is the one who posted above you...

Plus, this paticular member supports throwing hundreds of billions of dollars at a cesspool while attacking his opponents for trying to increase government spending! Oh, the irony.

Last edited by Spark (2007-02-17 23:21:15)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6794|Columbus, Ohio

Spark wrote:

Coincidentally the one member of the forums who needs to take note of this is the one who posted above you...
Coincidentally, there is no need to quote over 15 lines of text.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7101|Canberra, AUS

usmarine2007 wrote:

Spark wrote:

Coincidentally the one member of the forums who needs to take note of this is the one who posted above you...
Coincidentally, there is no need to quote over 15 lines of text.
Point taken, fixing it now.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6794|Columbus, Ohio

Spark wrote:

Plus, this paticular member supports throwing hundreds of billions of dollars at a cesspool while attacking his opponents for trying to increase government spending! Oh, the irony.[/b]
Just say my name FFS.

I am not attacking anyone here.  Some people thought the initial vote meant the increase would not happen.

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