BF2S Forums Why do these Shootings Happen so often in the US?

sergeriver wrote:

HITNRUNXX wrote:

snuten_i_sjoholmen wrote:

Isn't it obvious? Guns are allowed. Ilegalize guns and things of this magnitude wouldn't happen so often.

It is illegal to murder people. Didn't help though, did it? Bombs are illegal. How many bombs did the Columbine kids have with them when they went on their rampage? Saying "Nope, that's illegal" doesn't automatically make all problems go away. And as for "So often" this was the largest shooting at a school in US history, and almost the largest shooting in US history.  The largest shooting at a school in US history PRIOR to this was over 40 years ago.

Isn't it obvious? Things of this magnitude DON'T happen so often.

They happen more often than in another countries with guns restrictions.

Actually, if you took time to research before you sad things like that, you would see that isn't true. For that matter, if you took time to read this thread through before you posted you would see that I have already addressed that issue. So to save you the trouble of reading a whole thread, I will repost that here...

HITNRUNXX wrote:

So the easiest example we have is this:

In 1988-1993 South Africa had approximately 20,000 gun deaths per year. In 1993 they restructured their gun control laws to outlaw over 90% of the guns that had been legal. Since that time, gun deaths have risen to over 30,000 per year.  South Africa has approximately 1/6th of the United States population, and about twice the annual firearm related murders. South Africa has the highest number of murders by firearm in the world (0.720 per 1,000 people, rounded to nearest thousandth) while the US is #8 on the list (0.028 per 1,000 people, rounded to the nearest thousandth). From over .7 to well below .1 is a significant difference...

Other countries that have more firearm murders per capita (And you can research their gun control laws yourself) include (in order):
Columbia
Thailand
Zimbabwe
Mexico
Belarus
Costa Rica

HITNRUNXX wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

HITNRUNXX wrote:

It is illegal to murder people. Didn't help though, did it? Bombs are illegal. How many bombs did the Columbine kids have with them when they went on their rampage? Saying "Nope, that's illegal" doesn't automatically make all problems go away. And as for "So often" this was the largest shooting at a school in US history, and almost the largest shooting in US history.  The largest shooting at a school in US history PRIOR to this was over 40 years ago.

Isn't it obvious? Things of this magnitude DON'T happen so often.

They happen more often than in another countries with guns restrictions.

Actually, if you took time to research before you sad things like that, you would see that isn't true. For that matter, if you took time to read this thread through before you posted you would see that I have already addressed that issue. So to save you the trouble of reading a whole thread, I will repost that here...

HITNRUNXX wrote:

So the easiest example we have is this:

In 1988-1993 South Africa had approximately 20,000 gun deaths per year. In 1993 they restructured their gun control laws to outlaw over 90% of the guns that had been legal. Since that time, gun deaths have risen to over 30,000 per year.  South Africa has approximately 1/6th of the United States population, and about twice the annual firearm related murders. South Africa has the highest number of murders by firearm in the world (0.720 per 1,000 people, rounded to nearest thousandth) while the US is #8 on the list (0.028 per 1,000 people, rounded to the nearest thousandth). From over .7 to well below .1 is a significant difference...

Other countries that have more firearm murders per capita (And you can research their gun control laws yourself) include (in order):
Columbia
Thailand
Zimbabwe
Mexico
Belarus
Costa Rica

Is that a bunch of countries that you'd be proud to be listed next to?

Gun crime in South Aftrica is all to do with the country going through a massive social and political change, not to do with the gun laws.

HITNRUNXX wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

HITNRUNXX wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

They happen more often than in another countries with guns restrictions.

Actually, if you took time to research before you sad things like that, you would see that isn't true. For that matter, if you took time to read this thread through before you posted you would see that I have already addressed that issue. So to save you the trouble of reading a whole thread, I will repost that here...

We are talking about these shootings not single cases.  In these shootings oftenly die more than one person.  And South Africa is coming out from apartheid and Colombia has a guerrilla problem with the FARC.  US should not have this problem being a country with a stable economy.

If the US were to outlaw guns, do you not think it might put the country into a state of unrest equivalent to what these other countries face?

I really think it would be a much safer place.

PureFodder wrote:

HITNRUNXX wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

We are talking about these shootings not single cases.  In these shootings oftenly die more than one person.  And South Africa is coming out from apartheid and Colombia has a guerrilla problem with the FARC.  US should not have this problem being a country with a stable economy.

If the US were to outlaw guns, do you not think it might put the country into a state of unrest equivalent to what these other countries face?

I didn't realise that the US was in such a terrible state.
We banned most firearms in the UK,
the world didn't end,
you'll be fine.

Point being, outlawing the guns is not the end-all solution.  The UK is not automatically a crime-free Utopia just for outlawing guns.

PureFodder wrote:

HITNRUNXX wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

I didn't realise that the US was in such a terrible state.
We banned most firearms in the UK,
the world didn't end,
you'll be fine.

Point being, outlawing the guns is not the end-all solution.  The UK is not automatically a crime-free Utopia just for outlawing guns.

No, but we have something like a quarter of the homicide rate.

If they would simply enforce the laws that already exist here, it would help dramatically. Everyone wants to take an all or nothing attitude instead of cracking down on what we already have.

What I can't understand is the need to take others with you.

We have had a few shooting over here in Britain and they were the same as the ones in the states, with load of innocent people being killed.

Just makes no sense shooting people if its that bad get help or just top yourself.

PureFodder wrote:

HITNRUNXX wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

We are talking about these shootings not single cases.  In these shootings oftenly die more than one person.  And South Africa is coming out from apartheid and Colombia has a guerrilla problem with the FARC.  US should not have this problem being a country with a stable economy.

If the US were to outlaw guns, do you not think it might put the country into a state of unrest equivalent to what these other countries face?

I didn't realise that the US was in such a terrible state.
We banned most firearms in the UK,
the world didn't end,
you'll be fine.

Eh, there's still a lot of crime, no one says you can't get shit illegally. Also, don't compare this to revolutions and uprisings and shit in other countries. It's not the same. There are crazy people EVERYWHERE. He didn't do this because he's part of some insurgency or something.

man what a tragedy today.

very confusing on the time lapse.

anyway besides all the previous post about gun control. Im pro gun ownership, but agree some better laws need to be put into place, or perhaps on-site mental stability programs, or some sort of testing equipment to test new buyers , and for a small fee. perhaps included into the registration fee's etc

technology is their to do it..

anyway wht pisses me off the most about this, is the first thing the media throws around is video games and music...the ole scapegoats.

and also i meanWTF . who was this guy? a godamn highly trained seal? how the fuck do you go into a building with grown men and woman with only a 9, and a 22. and kill so many. i mean this guy really knew what he was doing. Either that or the passive students let him do this to them, i would have fought back anyway i could have. not jumped out of a window. You can take a 9mm round and survice pretty easily, unless it's a headshot or center mass

even then with enough adreilian runnin, those guys could have taken this fuck down if they tried

regards to the familys..

I agree...an armed society is a polite society.

Why do you think the average criminal in the United States takes 4 hours to case-the-joint before they burglarize a home vs. 45 minutes in the U.K.?

I think that with the current US administration's attitude to US citizen's privacy and freedom, the right of US citizens to bear arms could be as important as ever.

I don't see the logic, how come an armed society is a safer one?  Someone pls explain it to me.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that guns are totally outlawed in the states. Just controlled. I'm from the country and we have 4 guns which requires a special permit. (Your usually only allowed 2 at most) They are for hunting and we are also registered as being the local pest control. So we are called out to shoot cows who have snapped or dogs who are worrying sheep. We have a .308 and .22 and they kill everything that needs killing and the .308 will stop a 2ton bull with a shot to the head. We don't need assault rifles and hand guns. What use do they serve? They are designed for use in war by trained military personnel operating under a ROE which has been laid down by said personals superiors.
What ROE does your average American operate under? They can be as well tooled up as a Marine but their ROE is their own and they wield a very powerful weapon. Gun reform is whats needed.

This shit about needing be armed to overthrow the government is just bullshit. The gun tooting right applauded when the patriot act takes away the freedoms your Armed population are supposedly supposed to protect.
Were was the armed populous at Waco when the military was used on civilians?