madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|6949|Sweden
I have more important things to worry about like getting my car fixed it failed the exhaust fumes during the motor vehicle inspection.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6809|Portland, OR, USA

Bertster7 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

So an increase that normally takes a million years that has happened in the last 100.
I don't think it's quite that scale.

It's not going 10'000 times faster. More like 1000 times faster now compared to long term historical records.
oh shit, well in that case......

Ignorance is bliss, until you die.  Then you cease to exist.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6768|Global Command
This is such tripe.

I'm researching the geography of Joshua Tree for a book I'm trying to write. The geologist can look back ten thousand years through sedimentary layers and erosion patterns and they state casually that in the last ten thousand years the soil record indicates a roller coaster ride from ice age glacier locked climate back to temperate times and back again.

One reason why life has exploded in numbers of species and range of their spread is because we have enjoyed a long period of relative geological calm.

The clinmate is changing. Has changed and continously does so, getting people worked up about imaginary solutions to imaginary problems just distracts them from the real issues of illegal immigration and a already bankrupt social security system.

Cut pollution, fine. Alternative fuels, fine. Alarmist quick fixes designed mostly to hamstring and weaken America ( Kyoto ) no thank you.
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6894|United States of America

LT.Victim wrote:

Wait a second, people are still arguing over whether or not Global Warming is being caused by man?

Ya, cause all those cars and factories couldn't have anything to do with it...
No Shit, that is why Global warming never happened on this planet before man came.

What a stupid post.  You should all be ashamed for being stupid. 

Bad stupid people, very bad.  Now go to your room.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6809|Portland, OR, USA

Major_Spittle wrote:

LT.Victim wrote:

Wait a second, people are still arguing over whether or not Global Warming is being caused by man?

Ya, cause all those cars and factories couldn't have anything to do with it...
No Shit, that is why Global warming never happened on this planet before man came.

What a stupid post.  You should all be ashamed for being stupid. 

Bad stupid people, very bad.  Now go to your room.
hmm, I may be wrong.. but I believe my sarcasm detector picked up a hit on that one... And in that case, you would look like a complete idiot...
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6820|SE London

ATG wrote:

This is such tripe.

I'm researching the geography of Joshua Tree for a book I'm trying to write. The geologist can look back ten thousand years through sedimentary layers and erosion patterns and they state casually that in the last ten thousand years the soil record indicates a roller coaster ride from ice age glacier locked climate back to temperate times and back again.

Cut pollution, fine. Alternative fuels, fine. Alarmist quick fixes designed mostly to hamstring and weaken America ( Kyoto ) no thank you.
Ice Core sampling. It's pretty accurate, read into it.

I agree Kyoto is rubbish. The emissions cuts it proposes are stupid and it's not very fair. China should absolutely not have any exemptions - they're in a better fiscal position to implement emission cuts than the US anyway and are a big polluter - still much less than the US though.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-02-01 15:06:36)

Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6894|United States of America

ATG wrote:

This is such tripe.

I'm researching the geography of Joshua Tree for a book I'm trying to write. The geologist can look back ten thousand years through sedimentary layers and erosion patterns and they state casually that in the last ten thousand years the soil record indicates a roller coaster ride from ice age glacier locked climate back to temperate times and back again.

One reason why life has exploded in numbers of species and range of their spread is because we have enjoyed a long period of relative geological calm.

The clinmate is changing. Has changed and continously does so, getting people worked up about imaginary solutions to imaginary problems just distracts them from the real issues of illegal immigration and a already bankrupt social security system.

Cut pollution, fine. Alternative fuels, fine. Alarmist quick fixes designed mostly to hamstring and weaken America ( Kyoto ) no thank you.
Do you mean the Glaciers and polar Ice caps were melting BEFORE I used my hair spray. 

It is Bush's fault.  He is getting rich off it.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6820|SE London

Major_Spittle wrote:

ATG wrote:

This is such tripe.

I'm researching the geography of Joshua Tree for a book I'm trying to write. The geologist can look back ten thousand years through sedimentary layers and erosion patterns and they state casually that in the last ten thousand years the soil record indicates a roller coaster ride from ice age glacier locked climate back to temperate times and back again.

One reason why life has exploded in numbers of species and range of their spread is because we have enjoyed a long period of relative geological calm.

The clinmate is changing. Has changed and continously does so, getting people worked up about imaginary solutions to imaginary problems just distracts them from the real issues of illegal immigration and a already bankrupt social security system.

Cut pollution, fine. Alternative fuels, fine. Alarmist quick fixes designed mostly to hamstring and weaken America ( Kyoto ) no thank you.
Do you mean the Glaciers and polar Ice caps were melting BEFORE I used my hair spray. 

It is Bush's fault.  He is getting rich off it.
Hair Spray is nothing to do with global warming (CFCs, not Greenhouse gases). You're really just illustrating how little you understand the issue of climate change.
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6894|United States of America

Bertster7 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

ATG wrote:

This is such tripe.

I'm researching the geography of Joshua Tree for a book I'm trying to write. The geologist can look back ten thousand years through sedimentary layers and erosion patterns and they state casually that in the last ten thousand years the soil record indicates a roller coaster ride from ice age glacier locked climate back to temperate times and back again.

One reason why life has exploded in numbers of species and range of their spread is because we have enjoyed a long period of relative geological calm.

The clinmate is changing. Has changed and continously does so, getting people worked up about imaginary solutions to imaginary problems just distracts them from the real issues of illegal immigration and a already bankrupt social security system.

Cut pollution, fine. Alternative fuels, fine. Alarmist quick fixes designed mostly to hamstring and weaken America ( Kyoto ) no thank you.
Do you mean the Glaciers and polar Ice caps were melting BEFORE I used my hair spray. 

It is Bush's fault.  He is getting rich off it.
Hair Spray is nothing to do with global warming (CFCs, not Greenhouse gases). You're really just illustrating how little you understand the issue of climate change.
Sorry, I'm not the one who made up this lie.  I guess you can tell it however you want.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6820|SE London

Major_Spittle wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:


Do you mean the Glaciers and polar Ice caps were melting BEFORE I used my hair spray. 

It is Bush's fault.  He is getting rich off it.
Hair Spray is nothing to do with global warming (CFCs, not Greenhouse gases). You're really just illustrating how little you understand the issue of climate change.
Sorry, I'm not the one who made up this lie.  I guess you can tell it however you want.
No. You're just a prejudiced idiot who has no idea about any of the science behind climate change.

Prove me wrong.
l41e
Member
+677|6887

Major_Spittle wrote:

ATG wrote:

This is such tripe.

I'm researching the geography of Joshua Tree for a book I'm trying to write. The geologist can look back ten thousand years through sedimentary layers and erosion patterns and they state casually that in the last ten thousand years the soil record indicates a roller coaster ride from ice age glacier locked climate back to temperate times and back again.

One reason why life has exploded in numbers of species and range of their spread is because we have enjoyed a long period of relative geological calm.

The clinmate is changing. Has changed and continously does so, getting people worked up about imaginary solutions to imaginary problems just distracts them from the real issues of illegal immigration and a already bankrupt social security system.

Cut pollution, fine. Alternative fuels, fine. Alarmist quick fixes designed mostly to hamstring and weaken America ( Kyoto ) no thank you.
Do you mean the Glaciers and polar Ice caps were melting BEFORE I used my hair spray. 

It is Bush's fault.  He is getting rich off it.
CFCs affect the ozone hole, not global warming. Get your shit straight before spouting off about how anyone who disagrees is wrong. With no proof or any semblance it, I might add.
BVC
Member
+325|6934

CruZ4dR wrote:

My city had a rainday-streak of over 85 days the last months. That means that it rained every day in almost 3 months in a row. I doubt this is just a coincidence that all of a sudden we're breaking weather records every year.
Summer here should have started in november, its february and its only just starting.  Parts of the country also had snow in January (supposed to be our hottest month) when they should have had lots of sunshine.  Too much climate variation for it to be natural.
Kukulcan
Member
+6|6540|The Battlefield

Kmarion wrote:

2/1/7
http://i9.tinypic.com/2qno03q.jpg
PARIS - A long-awaited report says global warming is "very likely" man-made, the most powerful language ever used on the issue by the world's leading climate scientists, delegates who have seen the report said Thursday.

In the end, there was little debate on the strength of the wording about human activity most likely to blame.

"That is a big move. I hope it is a powerful statement," said Jan Pretel, head of the department of climate change at the Czech Hydrometeorological Institute.

http://i5.tinypic.com/2mglilk.jpg
While critics call the panel overly alarmist, it is by nature relatively cautious because it relies on hundreds of scientists, including skeptics and industry researchers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_ … _change_15
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/02 … cnn_latest
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/ … 0509.shtml
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20 … 838567.htm
I think that humanity must have some serious ''suicidial tendences''. Before we say : '' our world is in danger! we can't go on this way! cut the smokes! ''

But then we don't do a fucking about it... at least : many of us don't do a fucking thing about it.
We need some serious enviroiment international conventions , not as the Kyoto one.

And we need that the countries apply them in the REALITY , not only ideally.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6644|North Carolina

haffeysucks wrote:

Could be no shit or bullshit based on your opinion.  Anyone read State of Fear?
State of Fear is mostly bullshit....  I'd trust a large panel of scientists over a fiction writer like Michael Crichton.
madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|6949|Sweden

Kukulcan wrote:

I think that humanity must have some serious ''suicidial tendences''. Before we say : '' our world is in danger! we can't go on this way! cut the smokes! ''

But then we don't do a fucking about it... at least : many of us don't do a fucking thing about it.
We need some serious enviroiment international conventions , not as the Kyoto one.
Lets say as an hypothesis It´s true Global warming exists and we´re about to kill our precious planet. Do you think we would stop all the pollution?

I don´t think so it would ruin the hole worlds economy and unless everyone on the hole earth agrees to do it at the same time it wont happen. Seriously why would USA for instant stop the pollution if China don´t? everyone needs to ride the train if that´s the only way.
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6894|United States of America

k30dxedle wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Do you mean the Glaciers and polar Ice caps were melting BEFORE I used my hair spray. 

It is Bush's fault.  He is getting rich off it.
CFCs affect the ozone hole, not global warming. Get your shit straight before spouting off about how anyone who disagrees is wrong. With no proof or any semblance it, I might add.
WTF, the Ozone hole has nothing to do with climate change now?  My how things change with time.  Why did my R11 get outlawed then?  Now I'm really confused.  So if I use my Halon fire extinguisher is the Polar Ice cap gonna melt or not?

http://www.epa.gov/ozone/defns.html

from EPA jibber jabber- "Global Warming Potential: a number that refers to the amount of global warming caused by a substance
The GWP is the ratio of the warming caused by a substance to the warming caused by a similar mass of carbon dioxide. Thus, the GWP of CO2 is defined to be 1.0 . CFC-12 has a GWP of 8,500, while CFC-11 has a GWP of 5,000. Various HCFCs and HFCs have GWPs ranging from 93 to 12,100. Water, a substitute in numerous end-uses, has a GWP of 0. A table of all ozone-depleting substances shows their ODPs, GWPs, and CAS numbers, and another table shows the GWPs for many non-ozone-depleting substances. "

Last edited by Major_Spittle (2007-02-01 16:41:54)

[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH
Member
+46|6691|Bradford UK
thing is these fkn weasel scientists bang on bout global warming, and at the end of the speech they jump into their petrol cars and fuck off home to their coal fires.(exaggeration) i know, but its peoples mindsets, its changing what they do thats the problem, and its down to everyone. will i change my petrol lowride pimp car? probably not, so i am as much to blame as everyone, so how feasibly do we sort it out? im not sure, as im fuckin pissed, but fo shizzle we better sort it out within our lifetime.   / rant.
Kukulcan
Member
+6|6540|The Battlefield

madmurre wrote:

Kukulcan wrote:

I think that humanity must have some serious ''suicidial tendences''. Before we say : '' our world is in danger! we can't go on this way! cut the smokes! ''

But then we don't do a fucking about it... at least : many of us don't do a fucking thing about it.
We need some serious enviroiment international conventions , not as the Kyoto one.
Lets say as an hypothesis It´s true Global warming exists and we´re about to kill our precious planet. Do you think we would stop all the pollution?

I don´t think so it would ruin the hole worlds economy and unless everyone on the hole earth agrees to do it at the same time it wont happen. Seriously why would USA for instant stop the pollution if China don´t? everyone needs to ride the train if that´s the only way.
Uhm.... is from relatively poor time that is pollunting in significant ways so the ''third world'' nations. They are reaching the same level of usa and euro economics.... they need those industries to repair some errors done in the past.... and to guarantee a decent standard. By some years they will be ready to plan a sustainable development program.... and also the usa will need to do that. All will need to agree.... in every case the world will last poor time if it keeps going this way.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6892

Major_Spittle wrote:

k30dxedle wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Do you mean the Glaciers and polar Ice caps were melting BEFORE I used my hair spray. 

It is Bush's fault.  He is getting rich off it.
CFCs affect the ozone hole, not global warming. Get your shit straight before spouting off about how anyone who disagrees is wrong. With no proof or any semblance it, I might add.
WTF, the Ozone hole has nothing to do with climate change now?  My how things change with time.  Why did my R11 get outlawed then?  Now I'm really confused.  So if I use my Halon fire extinguisher is the Polar Ice cap gonna melt or not?
No, you'll just get covered in cancerous growths and die from the UV radiation when there's no ozone.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6820|SE London

Major_Spittle wrote:

k30dxedle wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Do you mean the Glaciers and polar Ice caps were melting BEFORE I used my hair spray. 

It is Bush's fault.  He is getting rich off it.
CFCs affect the ozone hole, not global warming. Get your shit straight before spouting off about how anyone who disagrees is wrong. With no proof or any semblance it, I might add.
WTF, the Ozone hole has nothing to do with climate change now?  My how things change with time.  Why did my R11 get outlawed then?  Now I'm really confused.  So if I use my Halon fire extinguisher is the Polar Ice cap gonna melt or not?
No. The only way CFCs are thought to influence climate change is very indirectly.

Read this:

http://www.wmo.ch/web/arep/reports/o3_a … _page.html

Then go and read some of the official reports on climate change from the IPCC, Royal Society, NAS and NASA.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6839|132 and Bush

madmurre wrote:

Kukulcan wrote:

I think that humanity must have some serious ''suicidial tendences''. Before we say : '' our world is in danger! we can't go on this way! cut the smokes! ''

But then we don't do a fucking about it... at least : many of us don't do a fucking thing about it.
We need some serious enviroiment international conventions , not as the Kyoto one.
Lets say as an hypothesis It´s true Global warming exists and we´re about to kill our precious planet. Do you think we would stop all the pollution?

I don´t think so it would ruin the hole worlds economy and unless everyone on the hole earth agrees to do it at the same time it wont happen. Seriously why would USA for instant stop the pollution if China don´t? everyone needs to ride the train if that´s the only way.
hmm the economy or the planet.. tough call. Global warming is a scientific fact btw.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-01 17:52:40)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6820|SE London

Major_Spittle wrote:

from EPA jibber jabber- "Global Warming Potential: a number that refers to the amount of global warming caused by a substance
The GWP is the ratio of the warming caused by a substance to the warming caused by a similar mass of carbon dioxide. Thus, the GWP of CO2 is defined to be 1.0 . CFC-12 has a GWP of 8,500, while CFC-11 has a GWP of 5,000. Various HCFCs and HFCs have GWPs ranging from 93 to 12,100. Water, a substitute in numerous end-uses, has a GWP of 0. A table of all ozone-depleting substances shows their ODPs, GWPs, and CAS numbers, and another table shows the GWPs for many non-ozone-depleting substances. "
That's taken totally out of context. There are nothing like the same quantity of CFCs being released into the atmosphere as Carbon. Look at the impact of CFCs on the overall greenhouse gas effect. Note the fact that CFCs as greenhouse gases are measured by parts per trillion (ppt) not parts per million (ppm) like CO2.

You are just searching for arguments to support your own conclusions, which you're not doing very well at.

If you want to make a proper argument of it, you could always read this:

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/160.htm

But that's assuming you actually give a damn, which I doubt.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-02-01 16:51:16)

LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
+343|6948|Charlie One Alpha

UON wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

k30dxedle wrote:


CFCs affect the ozone hole, not global warming. Get your shit straight before spouting off about how anyone who disagrees is wrong. With no proof or any semblance it, I might add.
WTF, the Ozone hole has nothing to do with climate change now?  My how things change with time.  Why did my R11 get outlawed then?  Now I'm really confused.  So if I use my Halon fire extinguisher is the Polar Ice cap gonna melt or not?
No, you'll just get covered in cancerous growths and die from the UV radiation when there's no ozone.
Correct, the ozone hole and global warming are two very different things.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6800

Bertster7 wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


No, I read the reports.  The ones with evidence and not the opinions.
They do put Works Cited in the back for a reason, ya know?
State of fear is a work of fiction. It is a novel. It is as much based in reality as the Da Vinci code.
You mean Michael Crowley doesn't have a small penis?
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6820|SE London

Bubbalo wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:


They do put Works Cited in the back for a reason, ya know?
State of fear is a work of fiction. It is a novel. It is as much based in reality as the Da Vinci code.
You mean Michael Crowley doesn't have a small penis?
He might. I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.

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